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If the next game was a Three Houses Warriors, when would you want it to take place?

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  1. 1. When would you want a TH Warriors to take place

    • During the War of Heroes
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    • During the 5-year timeskip
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Just as the title says; if Three Houses got a Warriors game, when would you want it to take place?

For me, it should take place during the 5-year timeskip.

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Okay, disclaimer first, this isn’t meant to be flame bait. I just don’t see 3 houses Warriors being a good idea. The game would be designed to be a canon mid-quel but we all know how 3H and Canon get along. There is no way to set the story in a way that would branch out to all 4 paths without heavily editing the base story and that would be a disservice to the source material. The only way would be to do it with each path being self-contained but then it would be better suited to a What-If spin off instead of a mid-quel.
However if done I would like to see it during the 5 year skip, specifically during the time right after Byleth disappearance when the war just started.

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1 hour ago, ciphertul said:

Okay, disclaimer first, this isn’t meant to be flame bait. I just don’t see 3 houses Warriors being a good idea. The game would be designed to be a canon mid-quel but we all know how 3H and Canon get along. There is no way to set the story in a way that would branch out to all 4 paths without heavily editing the base story and that would be a disservice to the source material. The only way would be to do it with each path being self-contained but then it would be better suited to a What-If spin off instead of a mid-quel.
However if done I would like to see it during the 5 year skip, specifically during the time right after Byleth disappearance when the war just started.

Agreed. 

Plus, if they went with the War of Heroes option, you know that the game would be advertised as a prologue taking place in the War of Heroes, only to actually be a game where someone goes back in time to undo the death of Sothis and the events of the Red Canyon just so it can have a happier ending (cough Age of Calamity cough). 

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The problem with doing a game set in the time skip is that, canonically, nothing was happening during those 5 years. Look at the character bios of each unit in post-time skip. Most went home and haven't seen combat since. One rare exception I can remember is CF! Petra being conscripted into the Empire's army, but in other routes she just goes home. Dimitri in his own route is probably the one character that we can say what he was doing with any real confidence, but for the most part the war was on pause for five years. So there's no way to do a game during this time without re-writing canon. And if they're going far enough to lie on behalf of making the students playable, I'd expect a Revelations style rout where everybody teams up rather than them picking one route to adapt. Heck imagine the backlash alone on doing a Fire Emblem Three Houses Warriors game with no Byleth other than as some post game unlockable.

The War of Heroes idea runs into less plot issues because so much less is known about those events. But you'd also be talking about doing a Warriors crossover game with no recognizeable characters other than the Nabateans and Nemesis, none of whom can be considered main characters in any route of three houses (no not even Seteth in Church route. Just because he was picked to be the person describing the plot to Byleth doesn't mean he's making any decisions that drive the plot forward).

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3 hours ago, ciphertul said:

I just don’t see 3 houses Warriors being a good idea.

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but if i really must choose, i'd say during the War of Heroes, simply because i want to see more of Rhea
Rhea and Edelgard are basically the 2 main female characters, and sine 3H on its own is already Edelgard: The Game, it's only fair that Rhea gets her own game as well

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3 hours ago, Glennstavos said:

Heck imagine the backlash alone on doing a Fire Emblem Three Houses Warriors game with no Byleth other than as some post game unlockable.

Maybe its just me but I don't think a lack of Byleth would be a dealbreaker for people. He/she's hardly the most interesting character of Three Houses. 

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51 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Maybe its just me but I don't think a lack of Byleth would be a dealbreaker for people. He/she's hardly the most interesting character of Three Houses. 

Does being "interesting" matter? Byleth is "YOU!", and they're plastered on 3H as the main character. The notion that good writing is all that determines who gets in is wrong, if the worst character is sufficiently important enough to the main story, they're a shoo-in to appear again and again in crossovers. Sure, we run into people like Nergal, a main villain who continues to be absent from FEH, but perhaps thats because he is a villain, worst main villains might be readily excludable, but not main heroes (though it did take them a long time to add Kris).

 

I'd be fine with them spicing up this 5-year gap people mention. Revision it so:

  • Starts with a major offensive by one side thats on the verge of total success 
  • ...Only for the other to mount a miraculous last stand and repel the foul villains.
  • Elated with their desperately fought for salvation, the attacked turn their zeal to a counteroffensive and start winning an unbroken string of decisive battles of their own.
  • ...Only for the "decisive" battles to end in a decisive defeat for them.
  • With both sides utterly exhausted from having tasted both victory and defeat, they muster what remains of their sacks of fighting flesh, and commit to a final battle, which ends with tremendous losses for both sides.

Thus, the war ends after say 4 & 1/2 years in a stalemate, with each side as powerless as tapioca pudding without Prof' B. to guide them. Who is soon to emerge from the morgue or wherever they were, but hasn't yet. Thus, it wouldn't be a lie to tell By that the war was in a stalemate.

-But having no connection to 3H, I am in no place to say if this would be an egregious mistake to whip up.

Though I shall add that if a problem is that if the different White Clouds of 3H end with different effects on the 5-year interlude, then they can work around this with an impossible White Clouds. That is to say, the White Clouds that leads into into this 5-year war is one that partakes of aspects of several of the different WCs, and therefore is not wholly siding with one or another 3H route.

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The war of heroes would make for a fun Torna-style dlc.

 

But the entire appeal of FE Warriors is to play as lots of actual FE characters that we've grown to love. The War of Heroes wouldn't offer that. Only a handful of 3H characters are even alive during that time, and that's why I don't think it has the same value as a proper 3H Warriors.

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The war barely having progressed for five years is a bit of a hurdle but not an insurmountable one. The later chapters of the Three Kingdoms that Fodlan is based on has the three kingdoms relentlessly throw armies at each other for decades without the borders moving even an inch. The story doesn't suffer much for it, as the rivalry between the Sima and Zhuge clans is among the more iconic themes of the book.

There are some scenarios that may happen during these five years. The civil war in the Kingdom could get a stage or two. The eastern Kingdom lords are said to be engaged in open warfare with Cornelia's dukedom. This could lead to a chapter of Sylvain, Felix and Ingrid facing off against Cornelia who might have Ashe or possibly Annette in her service. Caspar could also end up on the Kingdom side since his non CF bio says he became a traveling warrior fighting the Kingdom wherever he went. In the Empire you could have a rebellion against Edelgard led by house Varley, and in the Alliance you could have the pro and anti imperial factions have some fights against each other. A Crimson Flower route could also end up happening which could have Dimitri and Rhea join forces against Edelgard. 

But while a story that takes place in the five year war is possible I don't think it would be enough, and it wouldn't exactly serve a narrative point. I think it would be best to have it take place in three phases
-The end of White Clouds
-During the five years
-The war phase. 

The game could start at Edelgard's attack on the monastery. From there it could explore what happened to everyone directly after the attack. I think this could help with the problem that many characters don't do much during the time skip. Hilda spends most of the war relaxing at home but after the attack on the monastery she might have to fight her way back home. Edelgard trying to let Hilda be her ''guest'' at the capitol and Hilda really not wanting that could be a source for conflict, with Hilda having to smash her way through Imperials or be taken hostage. You could also have Gilbert escort Annette and other Blue Lion members to safety or Dedue freeing Dimitri from the dungeons. 

The next phase would be the Three Kingdoms phase with the three nations having some fights that might be interesting on their own but ultimately don't amount to much. More interesting could be some paralogue options. Things like Leonie being hired to protect a merchant convey which happens to include Ignatz and Anna, which then leads to a stage with the three of them against bandits. 

And for the final phase they could just incorporate the story of the war phase. Azure Moon and Verdant Wind share the vast majority of chapters so you could probably program two routes for the price of won. Not every stage would be required to make it into the game either. 

Three phases sounds ambitious but its the only way to bypass the flaws that come with a Three Houses Warriors. And considering it has plenty of potential for reusing assets its not like its too hard to pull off. 

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I think that would be a huge problem for setting it up involving to the 5 Year Timeskip from Three Houses since all the four routes are divided with different timelines. I think it would might work if it's set to either War of Heroes when it focus on Serios and Nemesis or might take place during at Jeralt's timeline when he was a knight back then before the fire started and gained a child which known as Byleth when he was born.

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I don't think the War of Heroes would be a very good idea. Its not a marketable setting. Warrior games thrive on character and with the Elites that becomes a problem since they ended up being a bunch of nobodies not even important enough for their own portrait. And from what we've seen of Nemesis he absolutely wasn't an interesting character. Rhea, Flayn and Seteth might be able to introduce interesting things but I don't think it will be enough. 

From a marketing standpoint it makes more sense to focus on a FE cast that was very well received rather than a bunch of nobodies, a glorified prologue bandits and a bunch of excellent characters that need to carry the aforementioned nobodies. Its very possible to make the Elites interesting but if given the choice between the Elites or the main cast I think most people would gladly chose the main cast. 

 

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I don't think either is a good idea.

War of Heroes doesn't have any notable characters other than the Four Saints, Seiros, and Nemesis. Everybody else would have to be OCs, which isn't really the main draw of a Fire Emblem Warriors title, or the Ten Elites, who aren't remarkable at all.

5-year interquel is a problem if you have Byleth, since their allegiance would have to be canonized as one of the four routes, and even then most of the main characters didn't actually do anything during those five years; most of them just managed their home territories, or were presumed dead like Dimitri.

The latter is more workable if you choose to deviate from canon, but at that point why bother even setting it in the intermission? You're better off just adapting the post-timeskip war itself and making it some sort of fifth path that's basically a best-of compilation of the other four routes.

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9 hours ago, Anomalocaris said:

I don't think either is a good idea.

War of Heroes doesn't have any notable characters other than the Four Saints, Seiros, and Nemesis. Everybody else would have to be OCs, which isn't really the main draw of a Fire Emblem Warriors title, or the Ten Elites, who aren't remarkable at all.

5-year interquel is a problem if you have Byleth, since their allegiance would have to be canonized as one of the four routes, and even then most of the main characters didn't actually do anything during those five years; most of them just managed their home territories, or were presumed dead like Dimitri.

The latter is more workable if you choose to deviate from canon, but at that point why bother even setting it in the intermission? You're better off just adapting the post-timeskip war itself and making it some sort of fifth path that's basically a best-of compilation of the other four routes.

Making it a 5th path is a really interesting thought. What if it were an alternate timeline in which the Ashen Wolves shift the war, telling us a brand new story?

 

Actually... I really fucking love that! Give Yuri full lord status!

 

Hell, this could even be our happy everyone comes together Revelation style ending, because Yuri is absolutely smart enough to pull it off.

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I'd love to see more inter-skip content. The game is very vague about what goes on in the timeskip; if you read the character bios it mostly says they "threw themselves into fighting X" (non-CF) or "became an imperial general" (CF). It's definitely implied that fighting occurred but very little specific, so there's plenty of room to write a war story. Biggest issue would probably being vague about Rhea's fate to make it so no one route feels canon. I'd be down for a prequel too but a game involving the existing, loved characters would certainly be more hype. I'd love to play as my 3H favourites in Warriors.

On 11/24/2020 at 8:28 AM, Glennstavos said:

One rare exception I can remember is CF! Petra being conscripted into the Empire's army, but in other routes she just goes home.

At the risk of nitpicking: she was not conscripted. If you talk to her in CF Chapter 12 (among other places) she is explicitly there by her own choice.

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Even if the game doesn't perfectly intersect with the canon, does that really matter? Age of Calamity technically isn't canon either, but it still acts as a decent companion piece giving us a general idea of how the events 100 years ago from BOTW played out. Thracia 776 similarly doesn't intersect perfectly with FE4 either but tells a decent narrative and does a good job of fleshing out the world of FE4.

I for one would love to see a Thracia 776 style midquel that introduces some new characters, and gives us more insight into what happened during the 5-year timeskip. Specifically, I'd like to see exactly how the first battle of Garreg Moch played out, how Dimitri changed for the worse and escaped prison, and how Claude kept the alliance unified and became the Leader of the alliance. I'm confused on how they'll create a story for Edlegard, but I'm sure they'll think of something decent. The only issue I think is creating three different story modes for each of the lords without the excessive map reuse that the main game does. 

As for Byleth, they could be in the game as a post-game unlockable.

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Mild Age of Calamity spoilers:

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I can see them taking the AoC route and doing something that doesn't exactly fit into canon. Start it near the end of the 5 year gap without any clear allegiance from Byleth (put her in a Silver Snow-like scenario but the Black Eagles are still with Edelgard) and make this game end up as the "golden route" that Three Houses didn't have.

 

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The big problem with the 5 year gap is that nothing really happens. Most characters even just stay home and do nothing. The big problem with the WoH is that we only have like 5 known characters and the rest'd have to be oc's. I don't think either would make for a good game tbh.

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