Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 So I was in a discussion about if after Three Houses, Duma still holds the title of the single largest HP bar in all of FE (at 200). Main rules that apply are highest difficulty (Maddening or Hard if Cindered Shadows) and that it has to be ONE HP bar, obviously a lot of monsters have a higher total HP than 200 but do any of them have 200+ HP in a single health bar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathaco Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I believe the highest HP bar in the game is the Hegemon's final HP bar, at 199 HP. Not sure if anything ties that (maybe Rhea?) but I don't think anything beats that. So it appears Duma still holds the crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 The Immaculate One's last HP bar on Silver Snow Maddening has 199 HP as well, I can't see Crimson Flower's Immaculate One, Nemesis, or any generic monster beating this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punished Dayni Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 As for total HP, it'd have to compare with Anankos (across all four parts) and Ashera (if you count the aurora) Anankos has 286 in Lunatic (the highest bars hitting 80), while Ashera has 840 with her Auroras (max of 120 herself). If we treat everything together, Ashera would still be unbeaten, considering none have more than 4 bars and none hit above 200 in any of them. Course, that's if you treat the Auroras as part of her HP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Dayni said: As for total HP, it'd have to compare with Anankos (across all four parts) and Ashera (if you count the aurora) Anankos has 286 in Lunatic (the highest bars hitting 80), while Ashera has 840 with her Auroras (max of 120 herself). If we treat everything together, Ashera would still be unbeaten, considering none have more than 4 bars and none hit above 200 in any of them. Course, that's if you treat the Auroras as part of her HP Rhea can:t be killed until all the white beasts are defeated in Silver Snow I believe (she recovers like all of her HP every turn if they:re alive, right?). So by the logic of the aura you could say that the white beasts are all part of her HP bar too. And since they can spawn indefinitely till you take the seize point, Silver Snow Rhea could be argued to have effectively infinite HP...Not that I:m actually saying I think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punished Dayni Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jotari said: Rhea can:t be killed until all the white beasts are defeated in Silver Snow I believe (she recovers like all of her HP every turn if they:re alive, right?). So by the logic of the aura you could say that the white beasts are all part of her HP bar too. And since they can spawn indefinitely till you take the seize point, Silver Snow Rhea could be argued to have effectively infinite HP...Not that I:m actually saying I think that. Not a bad argument, though I don't know if that restores lost bars, it isn't active if they're outside the (large) range and of course if you break her shield it's not on at all. (besides, that's recovering lost HP, we could argue Veld has infinite HP like that, or Ashera if you don't kill her with Ike) Also I'd take that fort, why would I want to deal with them forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Dayni said: Not a bad argument, though I don't know if that restores lost bars, it isn't active if they're outside the (large) range and of course if you break her shield it's not on at all. (besides, that's recovering lost HP, we could argue Veld has infinite HP like that, or Ashera if you don't kill her with Ike) Wait how does Veld recover HP? Though speaking of him, how much HP does he have if we cound all the dread lords in his bar? Well if definitely wouldn:t exceed Rhea, though I:m still curious. 2 minutes ago, Dayni said: Â Also I'd take that fort, why would I want to deal with them forever? Well yeah, of course. That:s how you beat her without trying to go through infinite HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punished Dayni Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Jotari said: Wait how does Veld recover HP? Though speaking of him, how much HP does he have if we cound all the dread lords in his bar? Well if definitely wouldn:t exceed Rhea, though I:m still curious. He's on a throne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dayni said: He's on a throne. Veld has a Vulnerary (of yet-to-be-created-Elixir strength like all Vulneraries in Thracia) and Renewal too, he is the only unit in the entire game with that skill. Being very ORKOable, it's no surprise that would be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jotari said: Rhea can:t be killed until all the white beasts are defeated in Silver Snow I believe (she recovers like all of her HP every turn if they:re alive, right?). So by the logic of the aura you could say that the white beasts are all part of her HP bar too. And since they can spawn indefinitely till you take the seize point, Silver Snow Rhea could be argued to have effectively infinite HP...Not that I:m actually saying I think that. I think the trigger from that is one getting within 10 spaces of her. It's also a barrier ability, iirc, so completely breaking her barrier will stop this. Edited January 12, 2021 by Shadow Mir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cysx Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jotari said: Rhea can:t be killed until all the white beasts are defeated in Silver Snow I believe (she recovers like all of her HP every turn if they:re alive, right?). So by the logic of the aura you could say that the white beasts are all part of her HP bar too. And since they can spawn indefinitely till you take the seize point, Silver Snow Rhea could be argued to have effectively infinite HP...Not that I:m actually saying I think that. It's definitely possible, you just have to brute force it. With Ashera there's no real way around it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PELCHxak-C0&lc=UgxIsPhfz2BuHHOoJ014AaABAg.99OeQ68asb_9C39wO2VT48 ... she does auto refill a lifebar once, so she technically has five, but you don't have to deplete the first one completely either. Edited January 12, 2021 by Cysx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 Yeah I don't really count the White Beasts as part of Rhea's HP because she can be beaten with them still alive, though I'm not sure if she will even heal off them unless you allow her to have Enemy Phase, either way healing doesn't really add to a healthbar in the context of this (I'm more so talking maximum HP rather than the total HP you have to fight through) Â You could argue the Ten Elites and Nemesis in that regard too but I wouldn't be surprised to find out Nemesis is beatable with the Ten Elites alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punished Dayni Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Cysx said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PELCHxak-C0&lc=UgxIsPhfz2BuHHOoJ014AaABAg.99OeQ68asb_9C39wO2VT48 ... she does auto refill a lifebar once, so she technically has five, but you don't have to deplete the first one completely either. And that even activates when you take the fort to the south, healing her for 0 damage. How often do people manage to keep her in the first form I wonder. I doubt it based on the conditions to her form change I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 21 hours ago, Dayni said: As for total HP, it'd have to compare with Anankos (across all four parts) and Ashera (if you count the aurora) Anankos has 286 in Lunatic (the highest bars hitting 80), while Ashera has 840 with her Auroras (max of 120 herself). If we treat everything together, Ashera would still be unbeaten, considering none have more than 4 bars and none hit above 200 in any of them. Course, that's if you treat the Auroras as part of her HP Also, Anankos in Revelation Lunatic is actually beaten out for total HP by 4/5 3H Final Bosses, the 1/5 being Nemesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cysx Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Weeping Dalek (MK) said: You could argue the Ten Elites and Nemesis in that regard too but I wouldn't be surprised to find out Nemesis is beatable with the Ten Elites alive He is, yeah. I believe the setup was a 100% crit vengeance with Cyril, but a mere Luna crit works too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 Honestly just goes to show how insane some of the skill and combat art combinations can get in this game lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Holy Elf Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 22 hours ago, Dayni said: Not a bad argument, though I don't know if that restores lost bars, it isn't active if they're outside the (large) range and of course if you break her shield it's not on at all. (besides, that's recovering lost HP, we could argue Veld has infinite HP like that, or Ashera if you don't kill her with Ike) Also I'd take that fort, why would I want to deal with them forever? Taking the fort aggros every enemy on the map; I personally found the map much easier not taking the fort. The spawning ones should never get within 10 squares to allow her to heal anyway; they're weak to arrows so they're pretty easy to carve through with Brave Bows and Hunter's Volley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 I mean even in that case you may wanna take the fort eventually, but maybe once most of the enemies have been cleared out Assuming of course you don't do what the video posted above did and clear the map in 1 turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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