Ramgigon Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Um, I'd like to know why Gatrie and Brom are so low. Not really trying to argue, mind you, I'm just wondering what's wrong with them - bad Mv and Res, and average Spd seem to be their only shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YokaiKnight Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Speed is only average/good with Knight Ward. Otherwise, it's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 And fail mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 epic fail in mobility and locked to lances until promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YokaiKnight Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Lances isn't a bad lock, though Gatrie's Steel Lance appearance in chapter 13 might be annoying because of his mediocre skill base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Pretty much everyone is locked to something pre-promotion. Lances are probably the best weapon to be locked to (not including magic/staves). Swords don't allow 1-2 range, and compound Str issues. Axes give you shitty hit (early on, at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Pretty much everyone is locked to something pre-promotion. Lances are probably the best weapon to be locked to (not including magic/staves). Swords don't allow 1-2 range, and compound Str issues. Axes give you shitty hit (early on, at least). Then again, axes are cheap, which means also they're cheaper to forge too. It depends on what is your definition of early game, though. I'd say before chapter 12, but that's just me. The actual problem of axes early on is the fact that they're heavy. Take Boyd and Kieran for example: For Boyd to be able to wield a normal Steel Axe without AS loss, he needs to be level 16 on average. Kieran needs to be level 20. Hell, Boyd gets weighed down by his Iron Axe early on, though so does Oscar with his Iron Lance. Oscar's AS does remain better, though. Once you're able to forge weapons, I'd say axes are winning. Before that, probably lances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Then again, axes are cheap, which means also they're cheaper to forge too. It depends on what is your definition of early game, though. I'd say before chapter 12, but that's just me. Weapons costs have a worth of 0.000000001 towards a units worth. In this game, at least. You get such a fuckton of money that you can pretty much forge a weapon every chapter with the best stats and buy the most expensive weapons you can think of. The actual problem of axes early on is the fact that they're heavy. Take Boyd and Kieran for example:For Boyd to be able to wield a normal Steel Axe without AS loss, he needs to be level 16 on average. Kieran needs to be level 20. Hell, Boyd gets weighed down by his Iron Axe early on, though so does Oscar with his Iron Lance. Oscar's AS does remain better, though. Boyd only needs to gain one level to be doubling and one-rounding things in Rescue, since that'll give him 5 AS, while enemies have 0-1 AS. It doesn't matter a lot, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Weapons costs have a worth of 0.000000001 towards a units worth. In this game, at least. You get such a fuckton of money that you can pretty much forge a weapon every chapter with the best stats and buy the most expensive weapons you can think of. As I was saying, It was more about early game. You don't have that much gold at the time. Boyd only needs to gain one level to be doubling and one-rounding things in Rescue, since that'll give him 5 AS, while enemies have 0-1 AS. It doesn't matter a lot, really. He gets 5 AS on average at level 5, not 3. He starts doubling people with 0 AS at level 4. I don't see that happening in one chapter unless you favorite him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitloop Multipuck Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 He starts doubling people with 0 AS at level 4. I don't see that happening in one chapter unless you favorite him. Starts with 3 AS with an Iron Axe, the chances of neither his Strength nor Speed increasing when he levels up are only 22%, so he's almost certainly able to start doubling at Level 3. 27% chance he's also doubling the 1 AS folks because both Strength and Speed went up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Boyd is godly in this game. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Boyd's so awesome. He's like the only one onerounding anything early game and he can usually do it with an iron axe. Even after everyone's promoted, Boyd has no trouble onerounding as long as his speed is high enough. He's just badass and my fave character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 can't titania one round early-game too? rolf is much better than shinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Boyd's so awesome. He's like the only one onerounding anything early game and he can usually do it with an iron axe. Even after everyone's promoted, Boyd has no trouble onerounding as long as his speed is high enough. He's just badass and my fave character. He doesn't one-round people as much with me, as he has trouble doubling early game. After everyone's promoted... well, everyone has no trouble onerounding. Except for, like, Mist. can't titania one round early-game too? I'd say she's the one one-rounding people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 He doesn't one-round people as much with me, as he has trouble doubling early game. After everyone's promoted... well, everyone has no trouble onerounding. Except for, like, Mist. He has the best offense of all units, excluding the laguz royals. And he's doubling and one-rounding nearly all chapter 1 dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 He has the best offense of all units, excluding the laguz royals. And he's doubling and one-rounding nearly all chapter 1 dudes. My chapter 1 wasn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Oh, right. You're using personal experience. For the record, personal experience means nothing. It's not what always happened to me, but it's what happens on average if Boyd gain's one level, since he'll have _just_ enough AS and atk to kill stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) He has the best offense of all units, excluding the laguz royals. And he's doubling and one-rounding nearly all chapter 1 dudes. My chapter 1 wasn't like that. I agree with TheEnd. I did that chapter recently and I don't remember Boyd doubling anything. Oh, right. You're using personal experience. For the record, personal experience means nothing. It's not what always happened to me, but it's what happens on average if Boyd gain's one level, since he'll have _just_ enough AS and atk to kill stuff. Chapter 1 has him at base level. There's no PE in that. Edited December 11, 2008 by Red Fox of Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 **** I meant chapter 2 >__< Sorry for the mistake, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 rolf is much better than shinon Care to give more thoughts about this? They average similar but at least Shinon is useful for a few chapters. Shinon also has a decent support in Gatrie and a better affinity. He's already promoted and he at least doesn't start with an E in bows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 rolf is much better than shinon I smell Rolf fanaticism. I'm sorry, but he's very difficult to raise and turns out average. Shinon has his uses in the early chapters, but when he comes back, he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Rolf sucks when he joins and is below average endgame. Shinon is above average in the first few chapters, and is below average endgame. Shinon's average performance throughout the entire game is superior, making him the superior character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 (edited) fine! we'll take this to the debate boards. EDIT: oh yeah you said you wouldn't when i said that on the debate boards Edited December 13, 2008 by SunMoonSky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Sorry but Rolf is better than shinon. ...If only by a bit. If someone beats me in a debate, then I'll lower Rolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Does it matter which of Rolf or Shinon is better? They both suck in this game. Shinon at least has that part in the beginning of the game where he's actually good but its not like he's actually going to be used much cause he gains very little exp. Rolf takes a long time to catch up with everyone else and it depends on the player if he's worth it or not. I'd put them both in low tier, maybe bottom, but I don't really care for tiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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