Let's Make a Fighters Pass Vol. 3 (Now canceled)

[Perkilator]

UPDATE: Sadly, I've decided to cancel this project because of all the real-life stuff I have going on at the moment. I'm sorry for any disappointment you may feel and I hope you can at least respect my decision.

Old OP:

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Ideas for a potential third Fighters Pass have been on a lot of people’s minds for a while. But unfortunately, Vol. 2 seems to be the end. That’s why I feel like it would be fun to make a thread to decide what would happen if this pass did exist after all. In this thread, I’d like to decide the characters, stages, music, movesets, classic routes and spirits of six new fighters to be added to Smash Ultimate!

Since we don’t have much to cover, this thread will be relatively quick but still have meaningful things to talk about. I think it’ll be a unique thread for the Smash Bros sub-forum. We’ll also have plenty of time to focus on each series/character we add so this will be a pretty in-depth thing. It’ll also be a great opportunity to potentially get to know some series or characters you didn’t know about before.

This is the order of events:

1. Decide on a character
2. Create a moveset
3. Choose some alternate colors
4. Pick some Mii Costumes
5. Create a stage
6. Select music (35 songs max)
7. Create a Classic Mode Route
8. Create a Spirit Board

So, you ever want to visualize a proper Vol. 3? If so, or even if you’re just interested in this topic, I urge you to please join this thread! Job #1 will start depending on feedback.

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Perkilator

[Lord_Brand]

Ah, so rather than just post our individual ideas, we'll be working together to decide everything collectively in this topic? I recommend a two-step decision system:

1. Tally everyone's suggestions for a particular event. More than one person can suggest the same character or other idea, which counts as an additional point for that idea.
2. If no particular suggestion gets the most points, we hold a tiebreaker vote. If that still comes out even, we flip a coin or roll a die.

Since deciding on a character is the first step, I'll put my own idea into the pool: Shantae.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Lord_Brand

[Morgan--Grandmaster]

Waddle Dee arrives to swim! Or should I do something for Shantae? Hm?

Edited August 12, 2021 by Morgan--Grandmaster

[Perkilator]

5 hours ago, Lord_Brand said:

Tally everyone's suggestions for a particular event. More than one person can suggest the same character or other idea, which counts as an additional point for that idea.

Slight correction; people can vote for the same character when voting period happens, but can't submit the same character. Only one character per submission, basically.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Perkilator

[Toncka]

I Sugest Snap Shot From Skylanders Trap Team

[Perkilator]

Alright;

Job #1: Suggest a character for Challenger Pack #12

This'll be the starting gate for our hypothetical Vol. 3. It can be anyone you want, but I somewhat recommend a character that can get people sold relatively quickly.

[Shanty Pete's 1st Mate]

How about Phoenix Wright?

- His series started out exclusively on Nintendo systems in 2001 (Japan-only), or 2005 (internationally), and remained exclusive until 2012;

- He's still getting releases, with the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (admittedly, starring a relative) coming to Switch just weeks ago;

- He's not yet represented as a Mii Fighter costume;

- He's the protagonist of an Adventure game / Visual Novel, a gamestyle rather underrepresented in Smash; and

- He's already made a fighting game appearance, in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

[Perkilator]

Here's my submission:

Job #1: Dr. Eggman

• Iconic villain
• Sonic is long overdue a second rep (especially after Sephiroth)
• Tons of moveset potential
• Tons of stage potential

[Lord_Brand]

I'll resubmit Shantae.

• She started on Game Boy Color, and all of her games so far have released on Nintendo systems.
• Shantae has plenty of moveset potential, between her hair whip, Fighter's Gear attacks, power kick, and pirate's gear. Her belly dancing would make a great focus for her specials, enabling her to transform, and warp. She can use the Magic Lamp to draw items towards her and absorb energy projectiles.
• Shantae's got plenty of costume potential too, between her default red bedlah, a blue bedlah, Nega Shantae, her pirate outfit, and various possible color scheme references to other characters.
• The Shantae series has some excellent music. Choice pieces include Dance Through The Danger, We Love Burning Town, the various Boss fight themes, and Troublesome Trek.
• Scuttle Town would make for a charming stage, with inhabitants spectating or milling about in the background.

[lenticular]

The Prince of All Cosmos (Katamari series)

• Using a katamari to fight would give a completely unique feel to the character.
• Who wouldn't want to roll up their opponent as a final smash?
• The game is unlike anything else currently represented in Smash.
• The cousins would make for excellent alts.
• Amazing soundtrack potential due to the quirky, eclectic, award-winning soundtrack.
• Most recent appearance (Katamari Damacy Reroll, 2018) was on Switch.
• Oodles of stage potential since it can work on any scale from inside a shop to literally the entire cosmos or anywhere in between.

[Perkilator]

Alright, we have 4 submissions:

• Phoenix Wright (Shanty Pete's 1st Mate)
• Dr. Eggman (me)
• Shantae (Lord_Brand)
• Prince of All Cosmos (lenticular)

Please only vote for one, but don't vote for your own submission.

My vote goes to Phoenix Wright.

[Lord_Brand]

Dr. Eggman!

Question: How will we decide the later steps? Voting on a single character is one thing, but 8 alts and 20+ moves? I guess we just each submit our own version thereof and vote on who's suggestion is best? Would be kinda neat to be able to piece these things together using ideas from each of us, though. Like, maybe we each submit a Special Move, a pair of costume alts, etc. and then mix it all together? That way, we're working together to build the Fighter Pack rather than just competing to see whose idea is best. Creating the stage will be the tricky part, since that won't have individual "pieces" we can assemble like the rest of the content. But I guess we can just each submit an idea and vote for that one, too? So basically, when there are "pieces" to assemble, we each get to contribute some pieces to the whole, and when there's just one individual thing to decide, like who the featured fighter will be and what their stage will be like, we each submit our own idea and vote on someone else's.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Lord_Brand

[Perkilator]

21 minutes ago, Lord_Brand said:

Question: How will we decide the later steps? Voting on a single character is one thing, but 8 alts and 20+ moves? I guess we just each submit our own version thereof and vote on who's suggestion is best? Would be kinda neat to be able to piece these things together using ideas from each of us, though. Like, maybe we each submit a Special Move, a pair of costume alts, etc. and then mix it all together? That way, we're working together to build the Fighter Pack rather than just competing to see whose idea is best. Creating the stage will be the tricky part, since that won't have individual "pieces" we can assemble like the rest of the content. But I guess we can just each submit an idea and vote for that one, too? So basically, when there are "pieces" to assemble, we each get to contribute some pieces to the whole, and when there's just one individual thing to decide, like who the featured fighter will be and what their stage will be like, we each submit our own idea and vote on someone else's.

Yea, I'd like to just pick one person's submission for stuff like that for the sake of organization.

[Shanty Pete's 1st Mate]

4 hours ago, Perkilator said:

Alright, we have 4 submissions:

• Phoenix Wright (Shanty Pete's 1st Mate)
• Dr. Eggman (me)
• Shantae (Lord_Brand)
• Prince of All Cosmos (lenticular)

Please only vote for one, but don't vote for your own submission.

I've wanted Shantae for a while, but having her as a Mii Fighter throws cold water on that possibility. So I'll say Dr. Eggman.

4 hours ago, Perkilator said:

My vote goes to Phoenix Wright.

Hey, thanks!

[Lord_Brand]

1 hour ago, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

I've wanted Shantae for a while, but having her as a Mii Fighter throws cold water on that possibility. So I'll say Dr. Eggman.

Hmm, you make me realize I probably should have suggested Mega Man X or Spyro instead...maybe for Fighter's Pass #13! Anyway, that's two votes for the Doc and one for Phoenix, now.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Lord_Brand

[Perkilator]

And Dr. Eggman wins!

Job #2: Create a moveset for Dr. Eggman

[King Marth 64]

I want to submit one more candidate is Mike Jones from StarTropics series for the Fighter Pass Vol. 3. We still need more retro video game characters since we didn't have a retro video game newcomer in Ultimate. I hope that I'm not too late on it.

Edited August 18, 2021 by King Marth 64

[Lord_Brand]

In my Eggman moveset, the Doc pilots his Egg Mobile, outfitted with a multitude of weapons based on those he's used over the years. Some of these are inspired by Brawlfan1's video "What if Eggman was in Smash?", though I also try to mix in some of my own ideas.

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Specials

• N Special: Lock-On Missile - Holding the button produces an aimable laser that locks on to any opponents it touches, firing a homing missile at each target once the button is released.
• S Special: Drill Eggman - The Egg Mobile transforms into a drill car and charges forward, barging through foes.
• U Special: Flying Eggman - The Egg Mobile produces a ring of orbiting projectiles that circle around it. In the air, it will also rise upward.
• D Special: Hammer Ball - The most iconic of all of Eggman's weapons. On the ground, Eggman will sweep it around him, while in the air, he will drop it below him.
• Final Smash: Death Egg Robot - Eggman's Death Egg Robot from Sonic 2 (or more specifically, the one from Sonic Generations) appears in the background and aims a punch at opponents on the stage. Pretty similar to Giga Bowser.

Ground attacks

• N attack: Laser - A projectile weapon commonly used by Eggman's creations.
• Side tilt: Punch - The Egg Mobile fires out a boxing glove, similar to the one used by the Eggwalker in Sonic Adventure 2.
• Side Smash: Cannon - The Egg Mobile fires an explosive shell out of a cannon, referencing the Egg Bomber Tank in Sonic Advance 2.
• Up tilt: Upward Flamethrower - The Egg Mobile's releases a jet of fire upward. Based on the Hang Mobile's upward flamethrower attack from Sonic & Knuckles.
• Up Smash: Rising Rocket - The Egg Mobile fires a rocket upwards, which explodes after a short distance. 
• Down tilt: Laser - A laser shot fired with a lower trajectory.
• Down Smash: Egg Hammer - The Egg Mobile swings a hammer down behind and in front of Eggman.
• Dash: Egg Ball Roll - The Egg Mobile rolls like a ball.

Air attacks

• Neutral air: Laser
• Forward air: Hammer Eggman - The Egg Mobile swings a hammer vertically in front of it.
• Back air: Jet Exhaust - Eggman fires the Mobile's jets behind him, scorching foes caught in the flame. This is based on a tendency for the jets of his creations to function as hazards to Sonic.
• Up air: Drill Eggman II - The Egg Mobile attacks upward with two drills.
• Down air: Catcher Eggman - An electrified claw that pinches below Eggman.

Grab & throws

• Grab: Extending Arm - Based on the EGG X's arm weapon.
• Pummel: Shake
• Forward throw: Overhead toss
• Back throw: Over-the-shoulder toss
• Up throw: Upward toss
• Down throw: Slam

Taunts

• U Taunt: Eggman stands on the Mobile, points a thumb at himself, and says "Get a load of this!"
• S Taunt: Eggman turns to the screen and laughs, based on how he used to do in the Genesis games.
• D Taunt: Eggman leans forward and says "Snooping as usual, I see!"Additional stuff

 

When Eggman gets Star KO'd by Sonic, there is a chance he'll scream "I HATE THAT HEDGEHooooog...!" as he flies off into the distance.

• L Victory: Eggman juggles six of the Chaos Emeralds and says "Try again!", a direct nod to the "bad ending" of the very first game.
• U Victory: Eggman steeples his fingers and chuckles "All according to plan!"
• R Victory: Eggman strokes his mustache and asks "What did you expect? I am the Eggman!"

Kirby's Hat: Eggman's glasses, goggles, nose, and 'stache.

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Lord_Brand

[Perkilator]

8 hours ago, King Marth 64 said:

I want to submit one more candidate is Mike Jones from StarTropics series for the Fighter Pass Vol. 3. We still need more retro video game characters since we didn't have a retro video game newcomer in Ultimate. I hope that I'm not too late on it.

We're currently working on a moveset for Dr. Eggman right now.

[King Marth 64]

6 hours ago, Perkilator said:

We're currently working on a moveset for Dr. Eggman right now.

Can you mind add Mike Jones from StarTropics in the canditial Fighters Pass Vol. 3 list while working on the moveset please since Fighter Passes usually be have more than just 1 DLC Fighter?

Also, I seriously don't think Dr. Eggman quite fit in as a pyshical Fighter due to he usually uses his giant machines to fight in. I was thinking of he might be more like Bowser Jr., but his machines were kinda take alot of room in each stages. (Maybe more bigger than Bowser and Ridley's average size)

Edited August 18, 2021 by King Marth 64

[Lord_Brand]

16 minutes ago, King Marth 64 said:

Can you mind add Mike Jones from StarTropics in the canditial Fighters Pass Vol. 3 list while working on the moveset please since Fighter Passes usually be have more than just 1 DLC Fighter?

Also, I seriously don't think Dr. Eggman quite fit in as a pyshical Fighter due to he usually uses his giant machines to fight in. I was thinking of he might be more like Bowser Jr., but his machines were kinda take alot of room in each stages. (Maybe more bigger than Bowser and Ridley's average size)

That's something we're going to have to vote on once the time comes. When it does, you can submit Mike Jones as your candidate, but even then other users will have to vote on him (and you won't be able to vote for him yourself, the rule is that we have to vote for someone else's submission).

And yes, I think most of us here would design an Eggman moveset using the Egg Mobile or Eggwalker as his means of combat. Feel free to suggest one of your own, since we'll be voting on that next (if anyone else offers a moveset, otherwise mine's going to win by default unless we're waiting for at least two movesets to be submitted).

For me, it's a toss-up between using the Egg Mobile (which is more iconic) or the Egg Walker (which makes more sense as a grounded fighter, and can be outfitted with arms as well as legs to visibly justify having so many weapons and gadgets). I went with the Egg Mobile due to its iconic status, but if anyone here has an idea for an Eggwalker moveset, I'd be interested in seeing it!

Edited August 18, 2021 by Lord_Brand

[King Marth 64]

6 minutes ago, Lord_Brand said:

That's something we're going to have to vote on once the time comes. When it does, you can submit Mike Jones as your candidate, but even then other users will have to vote on him (and you won't be able to vote for him yourself, the rule is that we have to vote for someone else's submission).

And yes, I think most of us here would design an Eggman moveset using the Egg Mobile or Eggwalker as his means of combat. Feel free to suggest one of your own, since we'll be voting on that next (if anyone else offers a moveset, otherwise mine's going to win by default unless we're waiting for at least two movesets to be submitted).

For me, it's a toss-up between using the Egg Mobile (which is more iconic) or the Egg Walker (which makes more sense as a grounded fighter, and can be outfitted with arms as well as legs to visibly justify having so many weapons and gadgets). I went with the Egg Mobile due to its iconic status, but if anyone here has an idea for an Eggwalker moveset, I'd be interested in seeing it!

So what day should Dr. Eggman's thing gets done so that I can comeback and request Mike Jones when the time is right?

Also, does any of Dr. Eggman's Egg Mobile vehicles quite fit to Bowser's and Ridley's size that be fitable for him to fit fairly in the roster in the Sonic Canon Universe? I know that Sakurai did reduced Ridley's size from the original Metroid on the NES since the previous Super Smash Bros. titles like Brawl and For Wii U did had Ridley become giantic for the Boss Battles.

Edited August 18, 2021 by King Marth 64

[Perkilator]

Job #2: Dr. Eggman's Moveset

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Intro: Eggman’s boss intro in the classic games

 

Stance/Idle 1: The Egg Mobile floats close to the ground

Idle 2: Eggman chuckles

Idle 3: Eggman twirls his mustache

 

Walk: The Egg Mobile floats along the ground

Dash: The Egg Mobile floats along the ground while the jets fire

Damage: His damage animation from the Classic and Advance games

Jump: The Egg Mobile’s Walker legs spring out, and the jet propels Eggman slightly for the second jump

Crouch: The Walker legs rest on the ground and lower the Egg Mobile
 

Normal Attacks

Jab: Eggman flurries with robotic claws from the Egg Mobile (2%-3%), then finishes with an uppercut (6%, small knockback)

Forward+A: Eggman attacks with one of the bumpers from the EGG-HVC-001 (6%, OK knockback)

Down+A: Eggman sends out a boxing glove attached to a spring that sends opponents flying (11%, medium knockback)

Up+A: Eggman attacks using the pointy tail from the boss of Oil Ocean (6%, OK knockback)
 

Aerial Attacks

Air+A: Eggman attacks using the flippers from the final boss of Sonic CD (3% each hit, OK knockback)

Air Forward+A: Eggman fires a shot from his energy gun (7%, small knockback)

Air Back + A: Eggman drops some blue toxic water from the back of his Egg Mobile (8%, OK knockback)

Air Up+A: Eggman raise a drill from the Marble Garden boss above himself (9%, OK knockback)

Air Down+A: Eggman drops down with a spike at the bottom of the Egg Mobile (8% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)
 

Dash Attack: Eggman dashes forward with the Egg Walker’s legs (3% each hit, OK knockback)

Edge Attack: Eggman shoots an energy laser (7%, small knockback) and gets back up after hanging on the edge with the Egg Mobile’s robot claws

Get-Up Attack: Eggman briefly summons an Electric Shield (5%, small knockback)
 

Smash Attacks

Forward+A: Eggman slams the ground with a giant hammer that can bury an opponent on the ground (25%, medium knockback)

Up+A: Eggman clamps the two claws from the Casino Night Zone boss (22%, medium knockback)

Down+A: Eggman fires two fireballs from the bottom of his Egg Mobile and spins them around (15% each hit, OK knockback)
 

Grab Game

Grab: Eggman uses Big Arms to grab the opponent

Pummel: Eggman slowly squeezes the opponent (5%)

Forwards+Throw: Eggman tosses the opponent forward (9%, OK knockback)

Down+Throw: Eggman hovers up a bit and buries the opponent with a full-force ground slam (15%)

Back+Throw: Eggman throws the opponent behind himself (12%, OK knockback)

Up+Throw: Eggman uses the Phantom Ruby to warp the opponent to above himself (8%, small knockback)
 

Special Moves

B : Egg Mobile-H; Eggman unleashes a wrecking ball and slams it forward after a brief spin (29%, medium knockback) that can bury opponents on the ground and meteor Smash opponents in the air. By tilting the control stick in the opposite direction, Eggman can do a backflip and attack opponents behind him.

B + Forwards : Egg Mobile-D; Eggman rushes forward in a drill car (15%, OK knockback). The drill itself cancels out the Drill item (and can be released by pressing B again), but travels less of a distance.

B + Up : Phantom Ruby; Eggman uses the powers of the Phantom Ruby to warp in the direction the control stick is tilted; this attacks fighters in a large area (5%, OK knockback) and can either freeze opponents, reverse their controls, or inflict the flower status

B + Down : Laser from M.E.; Using the powers of the Master Emerald, Eggman fires a huge one-hit laser that goes offscreen (35%, far knockback). This attack has a 10-second cooldown between uses, and Eggman can move slowly left or right with super armor before he actually fires the laser.

Final Smash: Death Egg Robot; “Get a load of this!” Using the powers of the Phantom Ruby, Eggman summons the Death Egg Robot. Both of its arms can be controlled with either control stick, and pressing B has Eggman fire both of them towards the screen (40% each, far knockback); if opponents are at 60% or higher, they will suffer a screen K.O.
 

Gimmick: N/A
 

Taunts

1: “Yosh…” Eggman pets his Egg Mobile

2: “Time for a change of pace!” Eggman gets out of the Egg Mobile for a sec to do a “Well! What is it?” gesture

1+2: “Ohohoho!” Eggman puts his hand on his chest as he laughs
 

Winposes

1: “Now you know why I am the best!” Eggman mimics the bad ending from Sonic the Hedgehog

1a: “Try again, Sonic!” (Vs. Sonic)

2: The camera pans up from a capsule containing Flickies and moves up to Eggman, with Orbot and Cubot appearing briefly

3: “Yes, yes, yes!” Eggman’s victory animation from Sonic Adventure 2
 

Applause: Eggman mimics the good ending from Sonic the Hedgehog

Icon: The Sonic series icon

Boxing Ring Title: The Man with the Master Plan

Star K.O.: “You’ll regret thiiiis…!” “I hate that hedgehoooog…!”

Victory Music: E.G.G.M.A.N.

Kirby Hat: Eggman’s glasses and mustache

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Perkilator

[Lord_Brand]

Oh, we're doing alts already? I thought that was step 3?

[Perkilator]

9 minutes ago, Lord_Brand said:

Oh, we're doing alts already? I thought that was step 3?

Oh, sorry! Fixed it