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There was a theory I found on Reddit today from around the time Shadows of Valentia released, and it was labeled as a "crack theory." (Here's the page in case you're curious; it's about how Genny's mysterious husband that no one knows about is actually Ike; honestly, I think it's pretty reasonable, and quite fitting to find considering Priam just came to Heroes).

I've been meaning to ask about crack theories that other people have for FE, as well as offer one of my own, so I figured that was motivation enough.

From what I understand, a crack theory is more or less an outlandish, bizarre, or just plain crazy theory with evidence that could make it make sense, but not enough so to definitely prove it. However, it makes enough sense to actually be something to ponder about (here's urban dictionary's definition if mine doesn't make sense, which it probably doesn't).

I'll leave my crack theory in the spoiler tag in case anyone is interested.

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My crack theory is that Petrine could be Sothe's mom.

In Path of Radiance, Sothe is around 13 to 14 years old, and Petrine is around 33, which would mean she could have been his mother when she was around 19 to 20 years old. Even though it might be considered pretty early to have kids at that age, it's not impossible.

What's also not impossible is branded having beorc children. Somewhat similarly to how crests are in Three Houses and from what I've read, brands can be inherited later along the line even after not appearing for generations. Essentially, a branded parent can have a non-branded, beorc kid; two beorc parents who have branded ancestry can also be the parents of a branded child. By the same token, Petrine, who is branded, could still be Sothe's mom, even though he isn't branded.

However, something to consider is that Sothe is an orphan, and there isn't really any mention of his parents, as far as I know. An explanation for this is that he could have been abandoned as a child or lived with his father (who eventually either died or dipped out on Sothe) while Petrine abandoned them both either to protect them from the stigma of her heritage or to join the Four Riders of Daein, the country of which they are both from; no matter what, Sothe and Petrine wouldn't recognize each other by the time Path of Radiance takes place.

I slowly started forming the idea that they could be related due to the fact that they have identical hair colors, which surely means that they're related... right? Ike has his mom's hair color and Mist has her dad's hair color, after all, so this can't be a coincidence.

Anyway, I can't think of any other connections...

So, got any crack theories about Fire Emblem? I'm interested to see what people come up with or have heard of. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't have to make much sense as long as it's fun.

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Ike x Genny rise up! 

 

Crack Theories...I have a few head-canon theories, but I'll write the more believable ones here:

Chrom and his generation had more children than just those who came back original. However, the other children died, and the survivors don't like talking about it. This also explains some of Yarne's paranoia IMO.

 

I guess my major theory (and head-canon) is that Elise is actually the mother of at least Midori. I think Midori is more canon, however. Midori and Elise share the same violet eyes, hairstyle, and facial animations when attacking (teary eyes when they'd have major damage inflicted on them, winking face when they'd be inflicting the major damage). They're both healers, simply one uses magic and the other herbal medicine. Elise is also one of the two mothers that can raise Midori's Luck stat inheritance to 0, and actually gives a better beginning Luck Stat growth than Mozu.*

While I personally view Elise as Ophelia's mother also, Orochi actually fits better - O-themed names, vague magic used for their purposes and seeing into the future, and weird personalities now runs in the family. Odin also doesn't seem to have as much of a parent complex as Laslow and Selena do, or honestly as much as most of the other future kids; so him marrying Elise wouldn't entirely fit. Still, I'm a fan of generations repeating, so I view it as head-canon.** 

 

Niamh from FE Cipher is related to Lucina. Both have light-based names. (Lucina having many origins, but one being an epithet for the Juno/Hero meaning "she who brings children into the light" whereas Niamh's name has Irish origins and means "bright" or "radiant.") Niamh, like Lucina, wears masks to hide her identity. And lastly, Niamh comes from a land full of Boundless Chaos. To me that's always read like a post-apocalyptic world ala Lucina's future. 

The problem is that I have no idea how Lucina and Niamh are related. They could be sisters (my original theory), mother and daughter, or ancestor and descendant - I honestly don't know. 

 

*The build is more for weapon farming than anything else though. Midori's Strength and Magic will be pretty bad; but if you can weaken foes and give Midori some of the DLC Witch class skills alongside Salvage Blow and a few other skills, Midori can farm for things all day long. 

**In this case, the idea of Henry being Odin's father, and each weird white-haired Dark Mage falling in love with a blonde princess who happens to be their leader's little sister and ending up with a child that is as quirky and weird as the father. 

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Wyverns are present in Jugdral as a migration effort from Archanea as an attempt to "outrun" the degradation. It didn't work and anyone in Archanea who knew about the colony died or went mad from degradation leaving the Jugdral wyverns as nothing but animals. This migration would have happened while humans were living in Jugdral, as the Grann Republic predate degredation, but Thracia probbaly would have been lightly populated at the time. I can't see any confirmation from the wikis, but I think it's said somewhere in Kaga's notes that Dainn was the first one to tame wyverns in Jugdral's history, so things would line up pretty neatly with the entire colony having succumbed to degradation by the time the Lopt empire is in full swing.

12 hours ago, ♠Soul♠ said:

That Walhart is a Risen that can reproduce and that anything weird or completely fantastical is acceptable because it's a world of flying horses and magic. v:

I'd barely  even call this a crack theory. The game pushes it pretty heavily itself.Now if only there were better ways to inmplement Aversa, Gangrel and Emmeryn's survival. Hey, how about this, playable Emmeryn isn't Emmeryn at all. Just some lost disabled girl who looks like Emmeryn that Chrom and Lissa jumped to the conclusion of out of grief and desperation. You can't prove it's not true! She doesn't even come with Rightful King (though I guess neither does Lissa, though it'd make playable Emmeryn at least somewhat noteable as a unit if she did have Rightful King or some other unique skill).

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Bramimond was the player avatar of ancient Elibe.

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Think about it:

  • He/she has his/her own "Bramimond" class in the game data.
  • There's nothing known about his/her origin, so it's easy for the player to insert their own OC-pls-don't-steal backstory on her/him.
  • Bramimond's gender is ambiguous - Elphin in FE6's states that "We don’t even know if Brammimond was male or female, old or young." and Athos, who would know, avoids a straight answer, so that he doesn't have to canonize either option.
  • Bramimond has no own self and "reflects" the personality of whoever she/he is talking to. This is very reminiscient of protagonists in games with "relationship values", like Persona or (from what I've seen) FE:3H! The main character never, ever expresses her/his own personality and will always say what the dialogue partner wants to hear. Likewise, Bramimond talks to Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector in their own individual "tones", probably because he/she instinctively tries to maximize support growth by feigning to be an individuum "just like L/E/H".
  • Bramimond has a lore-breaking superpower (reviving Ninian, with no apparent negative side effects).

Anyway, that was my TED talk about Stupid Things I Thought About In The Shower.

I actually still kinda like this one. Well done, past pong.

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17 hours ago, AnonymousSpeed said:

Basilio Jones.

I feel like you need to provide the link to the Timeline of Nonsense for context. Kind of not, the name immediately states for itself if you recognize the last name joke, but kind of.

21 hours ago, indigoasis said:

So, got any crack theories about Fire Emblem? I'm interested to see what people come up with or have heard of. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't have to make much sense as long as it's fun.

To step outside the bounds of mainline FE, Plumeria is Veronica's bastard older sister. There's not really a lot of evidence here, but I got the feeling from the tiny flashbacks we got throughout Book IV of Plumeria's past that she was going to be somebody surprisingly important, and I think her sharing mothers with Veronica would have been a phenomenal way to surprise the players while also continuing to establish the Eternal Frenemies relationship between Askr and Embla.
In similar fashion, I was thoroughly convinced Peony was going to be an Askran royal, considering she has a tap quote about feeling sorrowful whenever she heard the word sister and that her hair matches both Sharena and Henriette.
FEH took the cowards route and outright debunked Peony's relationship, but Plumeria's heritage remains ambiguous and Letizia's design is similar to both of them enough that I hold to this theory.

I don't know that it's a theory per se, but I am, as far as I know, the creator and headonly proponent of the Eliwood-Laegjarn pairing. She just makes so much sense to me as Roy's mother.

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5 hours ago, SoulWeaver said:

I feel like you need to provide the link to the Timeline of Nonsense for context. Kind of not, the name immediately states for itself if you recognize the last name joke, but kind of.

Aight, here you go.

On 8/30/2020 at 1:15 AM, AnonymousSpeed said:

With the last entry being BJ's Journal.

I like to image that, assuming Fates is a pornographic manga, Chrom knows its characters because he's, well...this version of Chrom.

10 hours ago, pong said:

I actually still kinda like this one. Well done, past pong.

That is good, actually. I kinda want a Scouring game now.

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18 hours ago, indigoasis said:

You must share all of them.

Tell us.

We wanna know.

I'll see if I can remember any of them: 

If you marry Miriel and Robin, then Laurent is "Mark." He would have been about the same age as Mark would have been pre-time travel displacement, and it's a fun head-canon. (Although I usually marry Robin to Aversa for kicks and giggles.) 

 

Effie was planned on being Kjelle in concept and design phases, but something happened and IntSys switched courses. Two workout loving characters who are also in the Knight class is weird enough, but once you add in the fact that Elise is the ONLY Nohrian sibling who doesn't have an Awakening retainer, and something's up. 

 

Olivia and Maribelle are bisexual. I think Maribelle was in love with both Chrom and Lissa at some point, and that Olivia probably has experimented with girls. I'm not sure if Chrom, Olivia, and Maribelle ever had a threesome, but I don't think it's out of the picture. 

 

Alfonse and Sharena are Chrom and Olivia's other children, born between Lucina and Inigo. In Lucina's future they died before they could travel back in time.  (And yes, Gustav is Chrom's real name. He is just so embarrassed by it that he goes by Chrom instead.) Going off of that, most of the families had more children, but not all of them lived. Henriette is Olivia, but with dyed hair and over 15 years of being a queen and a mother under her belt. She's far less shy due to these life-changes, making her seem like a different person from her youth. Right now, I have Veronika as M!Robin and F!Corrin's daughter, but that family tree is pretty confusing, so I'm not sure how I'll straighten it out just yet...

 

Naga actually supported Chrom's father's genocide against Grima. Not because she was evil, but she knew more pain would come if Grima was successful in returning. Sadly, she didn't foresee her actions actually helping Grima's case. Looking to stop the genocide, Emmeryn assassinated her father. No one but Frederick, Emmeryn, and Phila know about this, and no one will ever tell Chrom or Lissa. 

Chrom's father was a blond and his mother was the blue-nette. 

 

All of the Divine Dragons (and probably all of the Manakete in general) are children of Sothis. Divine Dragons like Naga, Mila, and Duma are some of the oldest and have inherited some of Sothis' powers, which allows them to live on after death in a way, and control the flow of time to an extent. Which means that yes, Seiros and Co in Three Houses are related to Naga and Co. They're all the baby siblings. 

I don't have an explanation for Anankos, but I imagine he's more like Sothis than Naga and the others. 

 

 

Magvel and the Valla are one and the same, and Sacred Stones takes place right before Fates: Revelation does. In this, Valla is the name of the world and Magvel is the name of the continent. Azura doesn't know all of this though, since she left quite young. Also, Azura is the older sibling of Eirika and Ephraim. (In a more combined head-canon/fan-fiction idea, where Grado is combined with Nohr, I have Lyon, Leo, and Camilla as full-blooded siblings, and the two boys as fraternal twins. Selena (Sacred Stones) is also Elise's mother.) 

 

Knoll is Lyon's half-brother.

 

Hayato is the son of Mikoto and Sumeragi. He may or may not have been conceived while Sumeragi's first was still alive, but regardless, he was sent away from the couple because Sumeragi taking in Corrin was seen as generous as it was, and could have been hidden from the general populace. Having two children by the same woman out of wedlock - but soon brought into wedlock - would have made it seem like Sumeragi was replacing his first family with a second one. So Hayato was given to Sumeragi's best friend. 

 

I USED to have a crack theory that TMS#FE and Persona 5 took place around the same time. I've since changed that to Persona 5 occurring first, and then TMS#FE happening about 4-5 years later. (Mostly because I've been working on how I'd like a TMS sequel to work, and the timeline works out best this way. I've also started working out how a TMS 3 and 4 would work. Please send help.) 

 

 

I also have a completely separate, head-canon, fan-fictiony world where the second generation of Fates actually takes place at Garrag Mach. Characters' backstories would need to be changed, but it's there. 

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3 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

Magvel and the Valla are one and the same, and Sacred Stones takes place right before Fates: Revelation does. In this, Valla is the name of the world and Magvel is the name of the continent. Azura doesn't know all of this though, since she left quite young. Also, Azura is the older sibling of Eirika and Ephraim. (In a more combined head-canon/fan-fiction idea, where Grado is combined with Nohr, I have Lyon, Leo, and Camilla as full-blooded siblings, and the two boys as fraternal twins. Selena (Sacred Stones) is also Elise's mother.) 

Any kind of theory that can give any idea as to where Fateslandia could be is a good theory in my book.

I've always figured Fates was sometime way before any of the events in Jugdral, Archanaea, and Valentia, but in the same world, which is why it's considered folklore by Chrom's time.

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3 hours ago, indigoasis said:

I've always figured Fates was sometime way before any of the events in Jugdral, Archanaea, and Valentia, but in the same world, which is why it's considered folklore by Chrom's time.

That's a pretty popular theory. I view it as sort of "outside of time," or both past and present ala the Eras in The Wheel of Time, since Rhajat and others' dying quotes could be seen as looking back on a previous life or looking forward to their next life. 

Humorously in a separate thread about remake ideas, I combined Awakening and Fates into one game that can be tackled in either order, allowing players to choose which is canonically first. If players choose Awakening first, then Fates happens after. If players choose Fates first, then Awakening happens after (although right after, not nearly as long after as you and others think). 

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Crack Theory: The eponymous Sacred Stones are the same five gems in the Shield of Seals in Archanea and Ylisse. "But four of them were destroyed in FE8, which must take place before Awakening because DLC, where they exist!" Well, obviously the five heroes of Magvel stole them from a post-Awakening Ylisse and brought them back to a Magvel of their own time, and used them to contain the Demon King. So two sets of the same stones existed for a time, albeit in largely non-intersecting worlds.

Hey, it worked for the Infinity stones, right?

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On 12/12/2021 at 1:00 PM, indigoasis said:

Any kind of theory that can give any idea as to where Fateslandia could be is a good theory in my book.

I've always figured Fates was sometime way before any of the events in Jugdral, Archanaea, and Valentia, but in the same world, which is why it's considered folklore by Chrom's time.

I used to have a tentative overarching series timeline that did that, but I think we're better off just chalking that up to the same thing as Chrom knowing about every single FE continent - deus ex machina. It wouldn't surprise me to find out he knew about Fodlan too.

On 12/12/2021 at 9:46 AM, Use the Falchion said:

Effie was planned on being Kjelle in concept and design phases, but something happened and IntSys switched courses. Two workout loving characters who are also in the Knight class is weird enough, but once you add in the fact that Elise is the ONLY Nohrian sibling who doesn't have an Awakening retainer, and something's up. 

Effie is less about working out in the Japanese version though if I recall correctly, she's hyper-obsessed with Elise instead and they lolcalized it. Might be wrong but I was pretty sure that was the case.

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I have even more juvenile theories:

A) Garon from Fates is Ganon (at least an alternate one) from the Legend of Zelda series

Both dress the same way and have ambitions for global domination. Both also started out as fairly decent persons (judging from Xander's recollection) before falling by the wayside.

B) Marcia (from Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn) is the decedent of Est (from Shadow Dragon and Shadows of Valentia)

Both have the same colour of fashion, hair colour and class.

C) Advance Wars is a continuation of the Fire Emblem series

With the development of weapon technology, the importance of single unit heroes diminished.

D) Alternate evil Celica is Malty from Rising of the Shield Hero

Without people like Alm or Mycen to guide her, she becomes evil and relies on her beauty to manipulate people. Celica and Malty even dress roughly the same.

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Duma is Tiki’s dad 😂 

* they look similar to each other and while that may be because of the Divine Dragon thing. I still think it’s a solid headcanon but lemme know what you want think.

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 This could also explain why he was exiled 😆 

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2 hours ago, OutcastsofRelix said:

Duma is Tiki’s dad 😂 

* they look similar to each other and while that may be because of the Divine Dragon thing. I still think it’s a solid headcanon but lemme know what you want think.

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 This could also explain why he was exiled 😆 

Duma was exiled over two thousand years before Tiki was born.

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3 hours ago, OutcastsofRelix said:

Duma is Tiki’s dad 😂 

* they look similar to each other and while that may be because of the Divine Dragon thing. I still think it’s a solid headcanon but lemme know what you want think.

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 This could also explain why he was exiled 😆 

I'm not opposed to it, but I always assumed it was a Divine Dragon thing. Tiki and Nowi aren't shown to be related to Nowi or any of the other deity dragons, but also have similarly colored hair. 

 

Anyways, other crack theories: 

Fodlan is Jugdral 4000+ years in the future. 

 

We'll see a second generation in Three Hopes (I'M JOKING - It's a joke conflating theory and prediction on purpose since they're used interchangeably a lot. I don't think we'll see Second Gen units back for a while, or at least not until a Genealogy remake or an FE 6/7 combined remake, if that's the plan. After whichever one of those comes out first, we make get a Second Gen in FE...would it be FE 19 or FE 20? are we counting Three Hopes as 17? Either way, the mainline game after the upcoming one may have two gens, but who knows.) 

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Kliff is Linde's younger brother.

Let's start with the obvious: Kliff is the only other male Aura wielder in the Arhcanea-Valentia canon. Sure it's said that Miloah locked it to women, and we see other off-gender spells in SoV (Celica and Sonya can Excalibur), but being his son is still a convenient explanation for why Kliff can use it. The fact we see several gender-exclusive or near exclusive spells also suggests Aura is indeed female-preferential and he was working off an existing restriction or simply reinstating it. There's also their parental situations. Kliff grew up with only his mother, his father split from her and all we know is the rumor he was a wealthy merchant. We only ever hear of Linde's father so it's possible she never really knew her mother. And they're close in age, Kliff being 15 in SoV and Linde looking about 15 in Shadow Dragon (two years ago). Which leads me to my theorycraft story...

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During his younger days, Miloah heard word of Valentia's rich magic culture and embarked on a few years' trip to study it. He wasn't met with much welcome as an outsider but he got by without much hostility either. When he came upon a sorcerers' village he piqued the curiosity of a young woman, who we'll call Jilian for simplicity's sake. Jilian became his research assistant as he toured Valentia; they also profited off their magical services, healing others and defending the villages they resided at. In time they became more than research and traveling partners; one thing led to another and Linde was born. With a daughter now in his life Miloah began to consider returning to Archanea... sadly this did not sit well with Jilian, who wanted to remain in Valentia. Life continued as usual over the next year, but a rift was forming between them. Eventually they made the tough decision to split, with Miloah taking Linde (she always seemed to favor him) and leaving Jilian with another child of her own. It was a difficult goodbye for them both.

Miloah didn't want his daughter to suffer the stigma of being half-Valentian... he only told the king, who didn't really care and was happy to cover it up in exchange for Miloah 's service. Brief rumors arose from time to time, but his work as Kingdom Archanea's pontifex overshadowed concerns about his daughter's parentage. Linde herself was content with her dear father and never questioned the story of her mother dying of illness shortly after she was born. But Miloah always felt guilty and hoped to come clean once she was of age, possibly even take her to Valentia, reconcile with Jilian... Gharnef got to him a few years too early. The only surviving record is his travel log, which contains his research notes and weekly journal entries, locked away in the restricted section of the Archanean royal archives. Only he himself checked it out whenever he needed to review his notes.

Across the ocean Jilian remained bitter about their divorce, eventually resettling in the quiet, remote village of Ram, far away from the sights she saw in the past few years. Rumors spread about her once-husband but she never confirmed or denied them. This was a major point of contention with her son Kliff alongside her overbearing nature, as she never even confirmed them with him. Why was she so protective if she wouldn't say a word of his father? It frustrated him to no end. All she wanted was to keep the last piece of her time with Miloah close, but in the end she drove him to leave...

 

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4 minutes ago, X-Naut said:

Kliff is Linde's younger brother.

Let's start with the obvious: Kliff is the only other male Aura wielder in the Arhcanea-Valentia canon. Sure it's said that Miloah locked it to women, and we see other off-gender spells in SoV (Celica and Sonya can Excalibur), but being his son is still a convenient explanation for why Kliff can use it. The fact we see several gender-exclusive or near exclusive spells also suggests Aura is indeed female-preferential and he was working off an existing restriction or simply reinstating it. There's also their parental situations. Kliff grew up with only his mother, his father split from her and all we know is the rumor he was a wealthy merchant. We only ever hear of Linde's father so it's possible she never really knew her mother. And they're close in age, Kliff being 15 in SoV and Linde looking about 15 in Shadow Dragon (two years ago). Which leads me to my theorycraft story...

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During his younger days, Miloah heard word of Valentia's rich magic culture and embarked on a few years' trip to study it. He wasn't met with much welcome as an outsider but he got by without much hostility either. When he came upon a sorcerers' village he piqued the curiosity of a young woman, who we'll call Jilian for simplicity's sake. Jilian became his research assistant as he toured Valentia; they also profited off their magical services, healing others and defending the villages they resided at. In time they became more than research and traveling partners; one thing led to another and Linde was born. With a daughter now in his life Miloah began to consider returning to Archanea... sadly this did not sit well with Jilian, who wanted to remain in Valentia. Life continued as usual over the next year, but a rift was forming between them. Eventually they made the tough decision to split, with Miloah taking Linde (she always seemed to favor him) and leaving Jilian with another child of her own. It was a difficult goodbye for them both.

Miloah didn't want his daughter to suffer the stigma of being half-Valentian... he only told the king, who didn't really care and was happy to cover it up in exchange for Miloah 's service. Brief rumors arose from time to time, but his work as Kingdom Archanea's pontifex overshadowed concerns about his daughter's parentage. Linde herself was content with her dear father and never questioned the story of her mother dying of illness shortly after she was born. But Miloah always felt guilty and hoped to come clean once she was of age, possibly even take her to Valentia, reconcile with Jilian... Gharnef got to him a few years too early. The only surviving record is his travel log, which contains his research notes and weekly journal entries, locked away in the restricted section of the Archanean royal archives. Only he himself checked it out whenever he needed to review his notes.

Across the ocean Jilian remained bitter about their divorce, eventually resettling in the quiet, remote village of Ram, far away from the sights she saw in the past few years. Rumors spread about her once-husband but she never confirmed or denied them. This was a major point of contention with her son Kliff alongside her overbearing nature, as she never even confirmed them with him. Why was she so protective if she wouldn't say a word of his father? It frustrated him to no end. All she wanted was to keep the last piece of her time with Miloah close, but in the end she drove him to leave...

 

Counter theory, Miloah was a serial cheater. Kliff, Delthea, Mae and Luther are all his children. Though any theory of Miloah in Valentia brings up the issue of the different magic systems. If Miloah went to Valentia and saw people casting magic without tomes he surely would have mentioned into Linde and it would have been something she could do at least a little. Magic is actually a super recent invention in Archanea, like only a few decades old, while Valentia has had it for centuries (Celica's ancestor used Ragnarok). One could headcanon that tomes are like conduits or something, but everything in the text suggests the tome itself is the thing that is sealed. Otherwise we would have to conclude that any of Gharnef's descendants (if he had any, which leads to another crack theory I'll bring up after a few more people post) would suddenly become evil by playing around with Valentian style magic and accidentally casting Imhullu, likewise for any people with Lopt blood who aren't using the tome. A better explanation as to how Aura and Excalibur are in Valentia is that Gotoh used to hang out over there and taught the people how to use these particularly powerful spells before figuting out how to create tomes and staves.

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