All these years after awakening, the one thing that sticks with me Other than Chrom

[SynthGreen]

Is his relationship with Olivia. Chrom is my favorite character but the Chrom/Olivia Dynamic is honestly more favorable for me than anything in the other "more advanced" games. Especially with the whole family dynamic, the sibling supports feel perfect with Inigo even moreso now that heroes has canonized Inigo's lines about bugs, and Warriors used Chrom/Olivia which is the highlight. 

It is weird because I have never been that much of a shipper, I mean I want all my characters to end up with someone in most things I play or watch, but I don't normally care much about who or how, but somehow Chrom and Olivia has been a huge outlier where it is actually meaningful for me. 

It is partially only so strange because pre-release, I saw a poster of Chrom with the four marriage candidates and flipped past, not caring at all who Chrom would marry. 
But now, out of any FE character (or any fictional character) that relationship ended up mattering the most for me. 

 

Crazy how it all works out. 

[TheSilentChloey]

You do realise that Olivia as by and large the game's last ditch effort to give you a workable Lucina right?

 

More power to you though, since if it's your otp it's your otp.

[Use the Falchion]

7 hours ago, SynthGreen said:

Is his relationship with Olivia. Chrom is my favorite character but the Chrom/Olivia Dynamic is honestly more favorable for me than anything in the other "more advanced" games. Especially with the whole family dynamic, the sibling supports feel perfect with Inigo even moreso now that heroes has canonized Inigo's lines about bugs, and Warriors used Chrom/Olivia which is the highlight. 

It is weird because I have never been that much of a shipper, I mean I want all my characters to end up with someone in most things I play or watch, but I don't normally care much about who or how, but somehow Chrom and Olivia has been a huge outlier where it is actually meaningful for me. 

It is partially only so strange because pre-release, I saw a poster of Chrom with the four marriage candidates and flipped past, not caring at all who Chrom would marry. 
But now, out of any FE character (or any fictional character) that relationship ended up mattering the most for me. 

 

Crazy how it all works out. 

That's sweet! I too am a Chrom/Olivia Shipper, but I'm also a shipper in general, so several other potential relationships stuck out to me. Also, while you may not be a fan of Chrom/Maribelle, I highly recommend watching a video of their S-Support. Maribelle's face turns incredibly red, and it only happens in one other confession (with Henry), so it's super rare and fun to see. 

[SynthGreen]

1 hour ago, TheSilentChloey said:

You do realise that Olivia as by and large the game's last ditch effort to give you a workable Lucina right?

 

More power to you though, since if it's your otp it's your otp.

That’s completely false, as there is the village maiden. If you were right, Olivia would marry Chrom even with 0 support points but she doesn’t, she needs 7. It’s more like a hidden route. 
 

1 hour ago, Use the Falchion said:

That's sweet! I too am a Chrom/Olivia Shipper, but I'm also a shipper in general, so several other potential relationships stuck out to me. Also, while you may not be a fan of Chrom/Maribelle, I highly recommend watching a video of their S-Support. Maribelle's face turns incredibly red, and it only happens in one other confession (with Henry), so it's super rare and fun to see. 

thank you! 
i did see all of Chrom’s supports, I played the game way too many times. It’s a good chain and it’s a cute chance to see Maribelle like that! But like you guessed ultimately it isn’t for me so I don’t do that when I play it think about it now, I stick to my main one 

[indigoasis]

Ah, a fellow Chrom x Olivia enjoyer. I, too, am of your creed.

I've always liked the pairing since I think it makes the most sense for Chrom to be Inigo's father, what with his brand being in the eye opposite of Lucina's and his support with his father having him being compared to Lucina (which makes sense if she was his sister). 

I've accepted it as the only canon pairing. Nothing else.

[Ottservia]

10 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:

You do realise that Olivia as by and large the game's last ditch effort to give you a workable Lucina right?

 

More power to you though, since if it's your otp it's your otp.

Actually you could make the argument that Sumia!Lucina is better than Olivia!Sumia. Sure you lose out on Vantage and Swordfaire but Sumia gives her access to pavgise+rightful king combo which more than makes up for it. Cynthia also benefits from the pairing as well with both pavgise and good sustain with aether. It really just depends on if you want a more offensive or defensive Lucina really 

[TheSilentChloey]

3 hours ago, indigoasis said:

Ah, a fellow Chrom x Olivia enjoyer. I, too, am of your creed.

I've always liked the pairing since I think it makes the most sense for Chrom to be Inigo's father, what with his brand being in the eye opposite of Lucina's and his support with his father having him being compared to Lucina (which makes sense if she was his sister). 

I've accepted it as the only canon pairing. Nothing else.

It's not canon though.

 

It's also one of Lucina's worst possible mothers bar the village maiden

 

9 hours ago, SynthGreen said:

That’s completely false, as there is the village maiden. If you were right, Olivia would marry Chrom even with 0 support points but she doesn’t, she needs 7. It’s more like a hidden route. 
 

thank you! 
i did see all of Chrom’s supports, I played the game way too many times. It’s a good chain and it’s a cute chance to see Maribelle like that! But like you guessed ultimately it isn’t for me so I don’t do that when I play it think about it now, I stick to my main one 

See, here's the thing, Olivia is the game's last ditch effort to make a passable Lucina, the Maiden Lucina SUCKS.

 

But again, more power to you, play how you want to play.

 

1 hour ago, Ottservia said:

Actually you could make the argument that Sumia!Lucina is better than Olivia!Sumia. Sure you lose out on Vantage and Swordfaire but Sumia gives her access to pavgise+rightful king combo which more than makes up for it. Cynthia also benefits from the pairing as well with both pavgise and good sustain with aether. It really just depends on if you want a more offensive or defensive Lucina really 

I said workable.  Not good.

 

Sumia aside of Robin is Lucina's best possible mother and for all of you who say Chrom x Olivia is canon check out the game data.

 

Guess who's the canon bride of Chrom-

 

That's right SUMIA.  By all accounts and largets margin.

 

But this discussion is pointless.

[Ottservia]

22 minutes ago, TheSilentChloey said:

It's also one of Lucina's worst possible mothers bar the village maiden

Actually that honor belongs to Sully because the only thing she gives Lucina are swordmaster skills without Galeforce which just makes her a worse Olivia in that regard. Maribelle is the second worse option simply because Lucina doesn’t benefit all that much from magic mods

[TheSilentChloey]

13 minutes ago, Ottservia said:

Actually that honor belongs to Sully because the only thing she gives Lucina are swordmaster skills without Galeforce which just makes her a worse Olivia in that regard. Maribelle is the second worse option simply because Lucina doesn’t benefit all that much from magic mods

True but still not as bad as the *shudders* maiden.

 

Tbf I like Maribelle's support with Chrom, but she's only ever Lucina's mother when I do an M!Robin run XD

[indigoasis]

1 hour ago, TheSilentChloey said:

It's not canon though.

 

It's also one of Lucina's worst possible mothers bar the village maiden

but it totally is

they're perfect for each other

you can't tell me otherwise

screw gameplay, i'm here for the  l o  r e

~

Y'know, speaking of Chrom's pairings, why tf is Cordelia not one of them?

I never understood that.

[Ottservia]

28 minutes ago, indigoasis said:

but it totally is

they're perfect for each other

you can't tell me otherwise

screw gameplay, i'm here for the  l o  r e

~

Y'know, speaking of Chrom's pairings, why tf is Cordelia not one of them?

I never understood that.

Well aside from the fact that it just makes sense for Cordelia’s character given her perfectionism and insecurities as a result of that there is evidence to suggest that she was originally planned to be the canon one. If you look at her concept art from the artbook she originally had Blue hair and bared a striking resemblance to Lucina. Also apparently I’ve heard from a few sources that sometime before the games were released IS held a Japanese exclusive poll asking fans to vote on who Chrom’s love interest should with Sumia as the one who came out on top. I don’t have concrete evidence for that one though 

Edited December 21, 2021 by Ottservia

[LJ_Reflet]

4 hours ago, indigoasis said:

Y'know, speaking of Chrom's pairings, why tf is Cordelia not one of them?

I never understood that.

That's what I'm saying lol. I actually quite like Cordelia, but I always felt like they did her so dirty in the game, story-wise.

Like they give her an unrequited love for Chrom, but no support chain, and it's even more painful they didn't give them a support chain in their reappearance in Warriors either smh LOL. And to pour more salt on the wound, her own best friend can marry Chrom LOL. Sucks even more that Cordelia joins 4 chapters earlier than Olivia, when Olivia has literally less than a chapter to marry Chrom. But I have nothing against Olivia/Chrom though haha.

I also read that Cordelia's crush on Chrom is supposed to be representative of Catria and Marth, which is why she can't support him/marry him.

If you're into modding, the Gay Awakening mod has a Cordelia/Chrom support chain included though to do my pega-SIS justice. but tbh im a hardcore Male-Robin/Chrom stan and nothing can stop me

Edited December 21, 2021 by LJ_Tenma

[SynthGreen]

8 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:

It's not canon though.

 

It's also one of Lucina's worst possible mothers bar the village maiden

 

See, here's the thing, Olivia is the game's last ditch effort to make a passable Lucina, the Maiden Lucina SUCKS.

 

But again, more power to you, play how you want to play.

 

I said workable.  Not good.

 

Sumia aside of Robin is Lucina's best possible mother and for all of you who say Chrom x Olivia is canon check out the game data.

 

Guess who's the canon bride of Chrom-

 

That's right SUMIA.  By all accounts and largets margin.

 

But this discussion is pointless.

Sumia canon? 
 

warriors operated on a “canon” basis and yet referenced Chrom/Olivia supports multiple times. They even appear together on “Loves many forms” 

 

Heroes has given Inigo dialogue referencing Lucina’s sibling support. No other characters reference said support chain. 
 

fates gave Inigo multiple references to Chrom and/or Lucina’s sibling support.

 

And even back in awakening, Inigo’s initial design had Shorts and a cape like Marth did. 
 

inigo’s birthday is also a reference to the release of one of Marth’s 4 games. 
of the 4 games, 3 are referenced 

 

one by Lucina, Chrom’s daughter 

one by Owain, Chrom’s Nephew

And one by Inigo 

but birthdays are just references, even still, Inigo is coded at the top of the childrens list (behind only Lucina and Owain) despite his mother joining so late. 
he has a high ranking in the Shepherds, and constantly compares himself to Chrom and Lucina. 
 

 

it’s always been there for Inigo. Even in the subtle ways 

 

Tiki infers that though Chrom loves Marth, he is more like Sigurd 

Olivia and Chrom’s love is similar to Dierdre and Sigurd’s. Lucina and Seliph being a light parallel. 
 

then you get personality

Chrom; the main who canonically knows his heart in an instant and acts on gut reactions. 
 

will he marry the girl he’s known his whole life but never had feelings for? Or, as Chrom does multiple times, will he say “I don’t care if people judge us or say we’re crazy, I know what my heart says” as he follows his gut reactions? 
 

which story you prefer is totally personal; but the latter actually makes sense for the character. 
 

Something being difficult to achieve in FE doesn’t ever mean it isn’t canon. Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean it wasn’t something the developers put love and care into. Your attempt to tear it down won’t do you well in this thread. 

[eclipse]

Before anyone else responds to this topic, please keep the following in mind:

1. This is an opinion topic about a video game pairing.  Is it worth possibly incurring a warning to argue this?
2. Unless you're min/maxing or otherwise arguing an instance where this matters, this includes what possible skills/stats Chrom's kids come with.
3. My favorite Chrom pairing is the random maiden.

[SynthGreen]

I suppose I should have made it a bit more clear in the title this was a ship-appreciation topic to avoid confusion in the early comments.

[TheSilentChloey]

19 hours ago, SynthGreen said:

Sumia canon? 
 

warriors operated on a “canon” basis and yet referenced Chrom/Olivia supports multiple times. They even appear together on “Loves many forms” 

 

Heroes has given Inigo dialogue referencing Lucina’s sibling support. No other characters reference said support chain. 
 

fates gave Inigo multiple references to Chrom and/or Lucina’s sibling support.

 

And even back in awakening, Inigo’s initial design had Shorts and a cape like Marth did. 
 

inigo’s birthday is also a reference to the release of one of Marth’s 4 games. 
of the 4 games, 3 are referenced 

 

one by Lucina, Chrom’s daughter 

one by Owain, Chrom’s Nephew

And one by Inigo 

but birthdays are just references, even still, Inigo is coded at the top of the childrens list (behind only Lucina and Owain) despite his mother joining so late. 
he has a high ranking in the Shepherds, and constantly compares himself to Chrom and Lucina. 
 

 

it’s always been there for Inigo. Even in the subtle ways 

 

Tiki infers that though Chrom loves Marth, he is more like Sigurd 

Olivia and Chrom’s love is similar to Dierdre and Sigurd’s. Lucina and Seliph being a light parallel. 
 

then you get personality

Chrom; the main who canonically knows his heart in an instant and acts on gut reactions. 
 

will he marry the girl he’s known his whole life but never had feelings for? Or, as Chrom does multiple times, will he say “I don’t care if people judge us or say we’re crazy, I know what my heart says” as he follows his gut reactions? 
 

which story you prefer is totally personal; but the latter actually makes sense for the character. 
 

Something being difficult to achieve in FE doesn’t ever mean it isn’t canon. Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean it wasn’t something the developers put love and care into. Your attempt to tear it down won’t do you well in this thread. 

Again I point out the in game data.  Sumia is the quickest to gain support with Chrom.

 

She's in the opening cutscene of Awakening.

 

She is literally listed as Chrom’s default bride in the game's coding.

 

If nothing else, as far as the game is concerned, Sumia is Lucina's canon mother.  Anything else, heroes or otherwise doesn't count.

 

Also I'm not going to say more.

 

The true OTP is Chrom and Female Robin, because that's the only good story in Awakening as far as I'm concerned.

[SynthGreen]

 

On 12/21/2021 at 8:54 PM, TheSilentChloey said:

Again I point out the in game data.  Sumia is the quickest to gain support with Chrom.

 

She's in the opening cutscene of Awakening.

 

She is literally listed as Chrom’s default bride in the game's coding.

 

If nothing else, as far as the game is concerned, Sumia is Lucina's canon mother.  Anything else, heroes or otherwise doesn't count.

 

Also I'm not going to say more.

 

The true OTP is Chrom and Female Robin, because that's the only good story in Awakening as far as I'm concerned.

Support growth rate is for gameplay variety. Nothing points to things like that being canon. 
if you need to think of it in real world terms, think of it as “Just because someone gets along easily with you doesn’t mean that’s where you’ll be happiest.” 
 

and if you are arguing solely for speed, technically Chrom and Olivia is the fastest. Since they only need to get halfway to C to get all The way to S, even if others have more invisible points. 
 

cutscenes are for marketing and Sumia is marketable and a really quick and cheap reference to the Pegasus Knight mechanic that has been defining to FE since the first game. It’s really not deeper than that otherwise the writers would point back at her in warriors or heroes but instead both games went for Olivia. 
 

Anything post awakening does count because it shows where the heads of the writers are at but if you’re looking at the games data, look at how Inigo looks like Chrom, his birthday is a reference to Marth. 
there are 4 “Marth games” and only 3 are referenced 

there are more FE games that were not referenced. 
so they could have used either 2 Marth games, or all 4. But they chose 3. And they chose to include Lucina, Owain, and Inigo, all related to Marth. Inigo’s concept would even have him looking similar to Marth in his first game. Inigo’s data is also at the top, only behind Lucina and Owain, and above all other kids. They even mention now Chrom is NOT like Marth; where Sumia is a Marth reference Olivia is more of a Dierdre reference. And Chrom is a lot like Sigurd. 
 

default and easy isn’t the same as canon, fire emblem has been known to hold the “true ending” back behind secondary playthroughs. 
 

i can respect that you aren’t saying more, and am not asking you to. Just not going to let it end with your false info especially here ruining the entire purpose of my thread. Just for the sake of honest journalism. 
 

i don’t think Chrom/Robin is a good speaking for literature, they treat each other as friends and not lovers (outside of the S support and endings) and Chrobin takes away a very beautiful Lucina moment when she gets so few. 
the romantic scenes they do have are worse than their platonic scenes, and don’t show another side/deeper side to Chrom that Chrolivia does show. 
the Chrom/Olivia supports develop very naturally (when you read them, I can understand the wish that they were in the game aside from the special confession)

plus I like that Olivia and Chrom meet through Basilio. Basilio is a great friend to Chrom for a long time even before the story; but Chrom politically aligns with Basilio’s rival and they doesn’t come between their friendship. 
now, Basilio saves Olivia and they end up meeting when Chrom has her escort Chrom, and something clicks. Really ties Basilio deeper into their lives. 
thematically, her queen ship actually helps the nation heal as she dances to restore their spirits, and she was the last person he met after losing emmeryn who helped spur him on in chapter 11. Like I said, more of a thematic element, but what she does as queen is what she did in his life before she even believed he could ever love her back. 
I think it is slept in because it wasn’t ever made obvious in the dialogue itself though. 

[TheSilentChloey]

7 hours ago, SynthGreen said:

 

Support growth rate is for gameplay variety. Nothing points to things like that being canon. 
if you need to think of it in real world terms, think of it as “Just because someone gets along easily with you doesn’t mean that’s where you’ll be happiest.” 
 

and if you are arguing solely for speed, technically Chrom and Olivia is the fastest. Since they only need to get halfway to C to get all The way to S, even if others have more invisible points. 
 

cutscenes are for marketing and Sumia is marketable and a really quick and cheap reference to the Pegasus Knight mechanic that has been defining to FE since the first game. It’s really not deeper than that otherwise the writers would point back at her in warriors or heroes but instead both games went for Olivia. 
 

Anything post awakening does count because it shows where the heads of the writers are at but if you’re looking at the games data, look at how Inigo looks like Chrom, his birthday is a reference to Marth. 
there are 4 “Marth games” and only 3 are referenced 

there are more FE games that were not referenced. 
so they could have used either 2 Marth games, or all 4. But they chose 3. And they chose to include Lucina, Owain, and Inigo, all related to Marth. Inigo’s concept would even have him looking similar to Marth in his first game. Inigo’s data is also at the top, only behind Lucina and Owain, and above all other kids. They even mention now Chrom is NOT like Marth; where Sumia is a Marth reference Olivia is more of a Dierdre reference. And Chrom is a lot like Sigurd. 
 

default and easy isn’t the same as canon, fire emblem has been known to hold the “true ending” back behind secondary playthroughs. 
 

i can respect that you aren’t saying more, and am not asking you to. Just not going to let it end with your false info especially here ruining the entire purpose of my thread. Just for the sake of honest journalism. 
 

i don’t think Chrom/Robin is a good speaking for literature, they treat each other as friends and not lovers (outside of the S support and endings) and Chrobin takes away a very beautiful Lucina moment when she gets so few. 
the romantic scenes they do have are worse than their platonic scenes, and don’t show another side/deeper side to Chrom that Chrolivia does show. 
the Chrom/Olivia supports develop very naturally (when you read them, I can understand the wish that they were in the game aside from the special confession)

plus I like that Olivia and Chrom meet through Basilio. Basilio is a great friend to Chrom for a long time even before the story; but Chrom politically aligns with Basilio’s rival and they doesn’t come between their friendship. 
now, Basilio saves Olivia and they end up meeting when Chrom has her escort Chrom, and something clicks. Really ties Basilio deeper into their lives. 
thematically, her queen ship actually helps the nation heal as she dances to restore their spirits, and she was the last person he met after losing emmeryn who helped spur him on in chapter 11. Like I said, more of a thematic element, but what she does as queen is what she did in his life before she even believed he could ever love her back. 
I think it is slept in because it wasn’t ever made obvious in the dialogue itself though. 

You're missing the point.

 

Your ship isn't Awakening canon, so really this thread is pointless.

[SynthGreen]

18 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:

You're missing the point.

 

Your ship isn't Awakening canon, so really this thread is pointless.

It is canon, as are all pairings in awakening. 
 

and however you feel about it, it doesn’t change that it’s my favorite thing to look back on. Since it is canon-ish to warriors and heroes, it is a gift that keeps on giving. And when my point was it’s the best thing that Awakening gave me,  it doesn’t really matter if you get that or not. 

[TheSilentChloey]

5 hours ago, SynthGreen said:

It is canon, as are all pairings in awakening. 
 

and however you feel about it, it doesn’t change that it’s my favorite thing to look back on. Since it is canon-ish to warriors and heroes, it is a gift that keeps on giving. And when my point was it’s the best thing that Awakening gave me,  it doesn’t really matter if you get that or not. 

It's not canon.

 

Like at all.

 

The devs made that clear as day.

 

If Inigo was Lucina's sibling they'd make it much more obvious especially in game.

 

Point being he's not her sibling.  Olivia is not the default bride, and seriously 😐 just drop it, because you don't get what the Devs made canon and that is Sumia.

 

So just stop.

 

This whole thread is pointless and annoying to read.

Edited December 26, 2021 by TheSilentChloey

[SynthGreen]

17 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:

It's not canon.

 

Like at all.

 

The devs made that clear as day.

 

If Inigo was Lucina's sibling they'd make it much more obvious especially in game.

 

Point being he's not her sibling.  Olivia is not the default bride, and seriously 😐 just drop it, because you don't get what the Devs made canon and that is Sumia.

 

So just stop.

 

This whole thread is pointless and annoying to read.

But it is canon, and in the coding of the game Inigo is listed beside the other two members of Chrom’s family’s next generation. 

He looks like Chrom, is the only child bar Lucina and owain to mention a brand at all, and has a birthdate referencing Marth like Lucina and owain. 
he is high up in the New Shepherds, and his original design would have given him blue and golden hair; which is the two colors Ylissean royalty have. 

Love’s many forms puts Chrom and Olivia together, and warriors makes multiple references to their supports. 
heroes also implies Lucina and Inigo are siblings, and fates implied Lazlow is Chrom’s son. However you feel about coding and defaults, despite me already explaining a lot of this for you, doesn’t matter when FE has explicitly made canonical content harder to achieve…

and has said all routes are canon due to our realms. 
heroes, fates, and warriors all go the route of Chrom/Olivia. That doesn’t mean your own headcanons aren’t canon in the timelines you play. 
 

In all honesty, you’re just wrong. 
but beyond that, nothing your saying matters because the fact that Chrom/Olivia is the best thing to come out of awakening and was always canon, as awakening has hundreds of canons, doesn’t change depending on your negative outlook on it.  

[genesis]

I'm a huge fan of Chrom x Olivia even though I think Chrom x Sully is as good, they have a great conversation. But there's no canon even though I think Olivia is more fitting with Chrom and is the one who would make a better narrative storywise, plus she is the most optimal mechanically so it's a win win in everything. 

The most optimal father for Lucina, Inigo and Cynthia is Robin, period.  Even though this is valid for every child since avatar is the most overpowered character. Robin aside, Olivia x Chrom is clearly more optimal, the best father for Cynthia is Henry, since Sumia has -stenght modifier and Henry gives her +2 magic fitting for her, plus Chrom's best skill is rightful king that only Inigo, Morgan and Brady can have.

Story wise Sumia is really happier with either Robin or Frederick, she has character development and depht in her conversation with both men and their romance is believable. Olivia is quite good with Chrom, Henry and Lonqi, Robin and Olivia is quite nice as well. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by genesis

[SynthGreen]

I wasn't a fan of Lon'qu with Olivia, as I don't think they will really be helpful for each other. But the others I do think are pretty good, just nothing that really stuck with me. 

 

For Sumia, I like the ones you said for a happy ending, I like Gaius for more tragic playthroughs, because truth is he doesn't really want to change and she is so straight laced that I think there is a bit of a tragic twist there that Sumia doesn't deserve, but is so rare in FE that I felt it would be refreshing to sometimes have those in a playthrough, so that one stuck with me the most. 

 

As for canon, there isn't a strict canon in Awakening, but there is a soft/spin off canon in heroes (Inigo references the sibling support, Morgan insinuates he and Lucina are not siblings), Warriors (Love's many forms pairs Chrom and Olivia, their history mode which is said to be canon used Chrom/Olivia's supports), and Fates (Inigo makes references to Lucina sibling supports, and compares himself to Chrom and Lucina while his Awakening supports compare himself to his father and Lucina.) 

 

Now the reason for that is just because the original polls placed Chrom/Olivia in the top 10 FE pairings. The only other Chrom ship that ranked was Chrom/Female Robin; but that is true of every Lord/Avatar side kick duo, they are always the most popular. So when IS does anything related to chrom's children is usually uses Olivia because is the only other one that ranked. 

 

You can give Chrom a soft canon, but you can't give that to Robin as it would "canonize" a gender and love interest for the unit that players re meant to have agency over. But Chrom is a set character with a set story. I mean, Eliwood/Ninian never got actually canonized either, but Cipher has had implications that the two were together. Chrom and Olivia will never be That level, but they do presently have the most nods. That is all they are, nods. I wouldn't actually debate that they are or ever will be made fully canon, and any day now Heroes could give a Cynthia, Brady, or Kjelle who has dialogue relating to Lucina's sibling supports.