Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes - Awakened Rivals / Demo Available

[ciphertul]

2 minutes ago, Burklight said:

I don't follow. Lets say for the sake of argument that Assassin could use a bow. How would Thief's wisdom/ploy read differently?

It can’t use bow, it class action would be that of the archer but the Archer ploy/wisdom doesn’t effect it. As it stands Fighter is the only class that can wield multiple weapons.

For the argument the Ploys would say what the cavalier’s say “class action of Lance wielding cavalry”. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by ciphertul

[Burklight]

2 minutes ago, ciphertul said:

It can’t use bow, it class action would be that of the archer but the Archer ploy/wisdom doesn’t effect it. As it stands Fighter is the only class that can wield multiple weapons.

For the argument the Ploys would say what the cavalier’s say “class action of Lance wielding cavalry”. 

Why are we assuming the class action for Assassin, which we currently don't even have access to and can't verify, would have to locked to swords? Or even if it is, that it would prevent you from using a bow? I'm not even saying it's likely; I just don't actually think we have enough information to say 100% one way or the other without making assumptions.

[ciphertul]

1 minute ago, Burklight said:

Why are we assuming the class action for Assassin, which we currently don't even have access to and can't verify, would have to locked to swords? Or even if it is, that it would prevent you from using a bow? I'm not even saying it's likely; I just don't actually think we have enough information to say 100% one way or the other without making assumptions.

I’m not speculating, in game assassin even though it’s not playable, use swords no class action in a class line changes weapon types.

[PunchHarderMan]

Spoiler

 

Trickster, Mortal Savant, Dancer*, Falcon Knight (F), Holy Knight, Dark Knight, Great Knight, Wyvern Lord, War Master (M), Bow Knight, Dark Bishop (M), Gremory (F)

Of the 12 Master classes, 1/3rd of them are gender-locked and another is a one-off. With 7 regular students + the 1 unit you get in the demo (i.e. Shamir), you don't get a whole lot of choice. The gender-locks seriously hurt diversity. The bright side is that you might get to choose the 8 Master classes you want to use out of the 12.

Hope you didn't want a Female brawler or a Male healer though. War Monk/Cleric should have been a Master class where the Priest/Bishop line and Brawler/Grappler meet up as an option outside of Dark Bishop or Gremory.

Dark Flier could easily go next to Falcon Knight. Valkyrie could be a easy extra branch for females in the Monk line too.

Overall, I see why they made the choices they did and understand why they did what they did, but man, base Three Houses left them with some dumb class rules to use.

 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by PunchHarderMan

[tipperthescales]

Partner Special today is actually a bit of a subversion:

 

Also though I should link the earlier twitter post as well of which I'm not sure is a new Chapter mission:

(A mission at the Great Bridge, and seems to be some sort of pseudo escort with an allied Ladislava. The player level makes me think that it's Ch 5+.)

[Timlugia]

Or maybe they were playing hard difficulty? 

[tipperthescales]

23 minutes ago, Timlugia said:

Or maybe they were playing hard difficulty? 

I haven't played Scarlet Blaze, but Ch 4 implies they already have the bridge under control.

I think the enemy level in Hard in Ch 4 isn't higher than 20 though.

[Queen Hilda]

On 6/16/2022 at 5:24 AM, ciphertul said:

Someone made a list of preferred classes based on what they learn in those class:

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Preferred Classes
Looking through the learn list, I was able to figure out every character's preferred Advanced and Master class based on where they learn "Apex (weapon type)" and their Breaker skill. For most characters they learn Apex in their preferred Advanced class and Breaker in their preferred Master class. For characters with unique classes, they learn their Apex in a class that uses the same weapon type and Breaker in their unique class.

Sword Classes

• Swordmaster -> Unique (Shez, Byleth, Rhea)
• Swordmaster -> Mortal Savant (Felix, Catherine, Holst)
• Assassin -> Trickster (Petra, Yuri)

Spear Classes

• Paladin -> Unique (Dimitri, Jeritza)
• Paladin -> Falcon Knight (Ingrid)
• Paladin -> Dark Knight (Lorenz)
• Paladin -> Holy Knight (Ferdinand, Sylvain, Leonie, Jeralt, Rodrigue, Gatekeeper)

Axe Classes

• Fortress Knight -> Unique (Edelgard)
• Wyvern Rider -> Wyveryn Lord (Seteth)
• Warrior -> Wyvern Lord (Caspar, Hilda)
• Fortress Knight -> Great Knight (Dedue)

Bow Classes

• Sniper -> Unique (Claude)
• Sniper -> Bow Knight (Bernadetta, Ashe, Ignatz, Shamir)

Tome Classes

• Dark Mage -> Dark Bishop (Hubert)
• Bishop -> Dark Bishop (Linhardt)
• Bishop -> Gremory (Mercedes, Marianne, Manuela, Flayn)
• Warlock -> Gremory (Dorothea, Anette, Lysithea, Constance, Hapi, Monica, Sothis)
• (None?) -> Gremory (Arval(F))
• Dark Mage -> (None?) (Arval(M))

Gauntlet Classes

• Grappler -> War Master (Raphael, Balthus)

No Preferred Class

• Hanneman, Cyril, Alois, Gilbert, Anna, 3 unknown characters that have data between Holst and Sothis

 

 

Does this confirm rhea as playable

[ciphertul]

4 minutes ago, Queen Hilda said:

Does this confirm rhea as playable

I hope so. She has what is believed to be everything need to be playable.

[Queen Hilda]

1 minute ago, ciphertul said:

I hope so. She has what is believed to be everything need to be playable.

I hope i bought the game just to play her 

[Ranadiel]

5 minutes ago, Queen Hilda said:

Does this confirm rhea as playable

Based on what we can see in the datamine, effort has been put into making her playable. However we won't actually have confirmation on her status until the game is out as some relevant data for her has been scrubbed. My current gut feeling is that she is going to be a non-story bonus character that you can recruit from the renown shop in NG+. However that is only a guess.

[Queen Hilda]

Just now, Ranadiel said:

Based on what we can see in the datamine, effort has been put into making her playable. However we won't actually have confirmation on her status until the game is out as some relevant data for her has been scrubbed. My current gut feeling is that she is going to be a non-story bonus character that you can recruit from the renown shop in NG+. However that is only a guess.

I hoping and praying she is shes one of my favorite characters in 3 houses 

[Fabulously Olivier]

8 minutes ago, Ranadiel said:

Based on what we can see in the datamine, effort has been put into making her playable. However we won't actually have confirmation on her status until the game is out as some relevant data for her has been scrubbed. My current gut feeling is that she is going to be a non-story bonus character that you can recruit from the renown shop in NG+. However that is only a guess.

I think people are overthinking that renown shop recruitment method, and that it'll actually be used to recruit anyone you've already recruited (or alternatively characters from other houses).

[Ranadiel]

1 hour ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

I think people are overthinking that renown shop recruitment method, and that it'll actually be used to recruit anyone you've already recruited (or alternatively characters from other houses).

Eh, there is some significance to some non-student characters having ages in the Academy phase despite not being recruitable in it (note that it isn't because they have ??? as an age as Seteth and Flayn have a 0 for the Academy phase despite having ??? as their ages). If it isn't that they are Renown shop recruits, the only other thing that comes to mind would be that "Dark Dawning" involves a random slection of characters going back in time to stop a fully awakened Arvis from killing Byleth during the original Shez/Byleth fight to stop Byleth from ruining Arval's plans in the future (with an alternate version where you play as Arval for the "bad" end?). 

...

I can't actually say that is impossible, but I think Renown Shop units is the just a simpler explanation. 😛

Edited June 17, 2022 by Ranadiel

[Fabulously Olivier]

 

Byleth has a new sword. Which brings up an interesting question. Will they get the SotC and how will it be handled? Presumably, they'd absolutely want to make the whip sword Byleth's preferred class moveset, but how do you do that with the ability to change weapons?

 

Do you give every weapon in the game an alternative skin just for Byleth? Do you do a dual-wield situation like Shez where the SotC is the moveset, but isn't what you equip and doesn't determine your weapon durability (this is what I'm leaning towards)? Or do you just flat out lock Byleth's weapon on them?

[Ranadiel]

8 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

 

Byleth has a new sword. Which brings up an interesting question. Will they get the SotC and how will it be handled? Presumably, they'd absolutely want to make the whip sword Byleth's preferred class moveset, but how do you do that with the ability to change weapons?

 

Do you give every weapon in the game an alternative skin just for Byleth? Do you do a dual-wield situation like Shez where the SotC is the moveset, but isn't what you equip and doesn't determine your weapon durability (this is what I'm leaning towards)? Or do you just flat out lock Byleth's weapon on them?

O.o What new sword? That is the sword Byleth has been using in all their duels with Shez in the trailers (minus the pre-time skip beat down). You can see it getting broken by Shez in the announcement trailer. 

As for Sword of the Creator, my thought is that Enlightened One (and Silverheart?) will have two movesets. The first is for using normal swords (reuse of the Swordmaster style?) and the second is exclusive to the Sword of the Creator which goes full in on the Swordwhip thing.

[tipperthescales]

Re the sword:
 has griffon featured on Knights of Seiros emblem on the ricasso
- centre of the crossguard has a Crest of Seiros engraving and a red stone embedded in it

As mentioned above, discounting any Chapter 0 Byleth appearance, appears in cutscenes of them seen so far. Not on the boxart though.

This to me suggests that it's either a heirloom from Jeralt, or Byleth gets the prf when Jeralt / they are hired by the Church.

Don't forget that

Spoiler

Silverheart / Enlightened One are collectively referred to as Mage Knight classes

so potentially they could use a whip like effect even without SOTC if they channel some sort of elemental effect.

[Use the Falchion]

33 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Byleth has a new sword. Which brings up an interesting question. Will they get the SotC and how will it be handled? Presumably, they'd absolutely want to make the whip sword Byleth's preferred class moveset, but how do you do that with the ability to change weapons?

 

Do you give every weapon in the game an alternative skin just for Byleth? Do you do a dual-wield situation like Shez where the SotC is the moveset, but isn't what you equip and doesn't determine your weapon durability (this is what I'm leaning towards)? Or do you just flat out lock Byleth's weapon on them?

Hmm...maybe the Sword of the Creator is just used for crits/combos/Awakening/specials/etc and this is Byleth's main prf for the game. Or maybe it's like Shez's sword and is always equipped, as you theorize. 

I have no idea, but I'm interested to see! 

[CompteSecours]

I hope they put a timer + number of ennemies killed + %damage taken available. It would be useful for S rank mission.

[EarthboundAddict]

you actually can see that by pressing the - button

[Use the Falchion]

Got 78 Achievements so far on my Azure Gleam playthrough! I'm hoping to get to a solid 80 before Release Day. On Verdant Wildfire, I have 60 Achievements, and I'm good with that. It's a test of balance between wanting to play the game and playing so much I burn myself out before the game itself even releases. 

[CompteSecours]

22 minutes ago, EarthboundAddict said:

you actually can see that by pressing the - button

My savior thank you.

[tipperthescales]

I'm not sure about AI unit enemy kills, but each character you can control has their own kill count as well, in case you weren't aware.

(-) pause menu is great as well for resetting the mission (Retreat - Restart from Beginning) if you killed off a unit or aren't hitting the S rank timers that you wanted to.

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Is this our first look at Ailell?

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Also, since I've been seeing people claim that Shez has a white hair form, it's just a just frame in their Awakening:

Spoiler

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by tipperthescales

[Queen Hilda]

22 hours ago, Ranadiel said:

 

Any more information on the datamine?

[Ranadiel]

The person putting together the datamine has finished working on it till release. I've finished doing the analyses that I was looking to do, so nothing new from me.

Here is a summary I wrote on Gamefaqs about all that we know from the datamine:

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General Findings
Each route has at least 15 chapters and 1 interlude (unclear how or when this is used). In addition to those chapters, there are 6 chapters that do not appear to be affiliated with a route and a seventh chapter that is an "alternate path" of one of the six unaffiliated routes. Images of the chapter title screens have been found and they include 1 for the prologue, 3 for the house routes, and 1 unknown one probably related to some or all of the 6 unaffiliated chapters. A final note on this, there are four versions of the Awakening song in the files. Three of them are named after the routes, the fourth is named Dark Dawning, which seems consistent with the tone of the unknown chapter title screen.
Chapter title screen images:  https://imgur.com/a/QTZ6BXi

New Game+ is confirmed. Carry over appears to include levels (selectable on a per unit basis?), support levels, items, gold, and class levels. Additionally the renown shop can get additional items (presumably via NG+). These items include crest items, equipment, unlockable units, and an item that instantly conquers a region. We have no info on these items besides they exist.

Dancer is confirmed to be in game as there is a system message for when you unlock it. No details about how you unlock it are currently know. It is a Master tier class.

Characters appear to be recruitable in more than a single route as some characters have ages listed in their profile data from multiple routes. The current assumption is that if a character has a 0 in their age for a route, they are not recruitable.

There is class data in the demo for Hero, War Monk, Dark Flier, and Valkyrie. However no character has any learned abilities with them, so they do are not likely for release. Other classes that are included in the data without learn sets include Rufus's Prionsa class, Shahid's Gurgan, and Agastya.

Playable Characters
Based on the data that is currently available, the following characters appear to have most if not all of the assets necessary for being playable including a head model separate from their body model, personal abilities, profile date including age, and learn lists. Some of them are missing a map pixel head meaning they do not have 100% of the data in the demo. I am including anyone who was not shown in a trailer and was not playable in the demo.

• Seteth
• Flayn
• Catherine (lacking a pixel head in the extracted sprites)
• Jeralt
• Rhea (has pixel art in data, but not used if hacked into party)
• Holst
• Sothis (lacking a pixel head)
• Arval (M/F) (lacking a pixel head)
• Gatekeeper
• Regarding Arval, currently Arval has two units in the code that have learn lists. One is male and one is female. It is not clear at this time whether Arval's gender is variable (e.g., based on Shez's gender) or if one of the two is not intended to be unused.

Additionally the following four characters have some of the necessary attributes (mostly just a separate head and body model), but are lacking the attributes the above characters have. Looking closely at their ability learn lists, they seem to have mostly default lists as they have not been adjusted to remove abilities from female exclusive classes. Additionally, they are lacking any ages in their profile data suggesting they are not recruitable on any route.

• Hanneman
• Cyril
• Alois
• Gilbert

As a final note, Anna has been identified as having an ability learn list by spells on one of the unidentified characters in the datamine, but like the above four, it is mostly a default list as it still includes male exclusive classes. Additionally, there are no units currently in the files that have her Crest of Ernest.

Preferred Classes
Looking through the learn list, I was able to figure out every character's preferred Advanced and Master class based on where they learn "Apex (weapon type)" and their Breaker skill. For most characters they learn Apex in their preferred Advanced class and Breaker in their preferred Master class. For characters with unique classes, they learn their Apex in a class that uses the same weapon type and Breaker in their unique class.

Sword Classes

• Swordmaster -> Unique (Shez, Byleth, Rhea)
• Swordmaster -> Mortal Savant (Felix, Catherine, Holst)
• Assassin -> Trickster (Petra, Yuri)

Spear Classes

• Paladin -> Unique (Dimitri, Jeritza)
• Paladin -> Falcon Knight (Ingrid)
• Paladin -> Dark Knight (Lorenz)
• Paladin -> Holy Knight (Ferdinand, Sylvain, Leonie, Jeralt, Rodrigue, Gatekeeper)

Axe Classes

• Fortress Knight -> Unique (Edelgard)
• Wyvern Rider -> Wyveryn Lord (Seteth)
• Warrior -> Wyvern Lord (Caspar, Hilda)
• Fortress Knight -> Great Knight (Dedue)

Bow Classes

• Sniper -> Unique (Claude)
• Sniper -> Bow Knight (Bernadetta, Ashe, Ignatz, Shamir)

Tome Classes

• Dark Mage -> Dark Bishop (Hubert)
• Bishop -> Dark Bishop (Linhardt)
• Bishop -> Gremory (Mercedes, Marianne, Manuela, Flayn)
• Warlock -> Gremory (Dorothea, Anette, Lysithea, Constance, Hapi, Monica, Sothis)
• (None?) -> Gremory (Arval(F))
• Dark Mage -> (None?) (Arval(M))

Gauntlet Classes

• Grappler -> War Master (Raphael, Balthus)

No Preferred Class

• Hanneman, Cyril, Alois, Gilbert, Anna, 3 unknown characters that have data between Holst and Sothis

 

 

I guess I might as well also post some mock-ups of the full class charts based on a combination of Japanese screenshots and the info from the datamine. Used the sprite images from the Three Houses class page here, so don't take a character's inclusion to mean they are playable.

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Edited June 20, 2022 by Ranadiel