Sentinel07 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 59 minutes ago, Vexal said: As for the topic name, I think changing it from "Japanese twitter posts" to just "Twitter posts" is a good idea, as correct me if I'm wrong, but the screen for the gender choice is completely new, so we may see things that weren't gleamed from the Japanese tweets, or were completely absent. Yeah, both screenshots that NoA has shown off are brand new, even if the information associated isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefyingFates Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 7:10 AM, Troublesome Knight said: As a girl I can't help but feel like there's something very uncomfortable about people acting like a female character having obvious breasts as somehow inherently sexual/fanservice-y you know... I'm a guy, but even I feel awkward - I can't begin to imagine how you feel. I don't want to start another argument so I'll just say I agree with you that there's a definite line between simply having female characters and having female characters designed solely for fanservice (e.g. Tharja, F!Byleth and Cornelia, almost every woman in Fates). I'm sorry you had to feel that way! 19 hours ago, eclipse said: Kinda wondering if this thread should just be renamed "the Twitter post" (or something like that), since NoA finally woke up. Here's hoping they don't pull a Tiki and fall asleep right away. If they don't and the NA news cycle works at a good pace then I think this should be renamed too. Or at the very least we should start a new thread just so Crubat's post doesn't get clogged and start lagging when he tries to edit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, Seazas said: lSorry Oliver, it's objectively wrong to claim the artist has no talent Well, to quote what this forum said to me in another thread, that's simply not how facts work. Clearly the definition of objectivity is fluid and meaningless here.  It is not objectively wrong. It is also not objectively true. It is an opinion, and I stand by it. Do I regret harshly wording it? Maybe. It got across the strength of how negatively I actually do feel about the job done, but maybe. Suffice it to say, if I were in charge and that was the design given to me, I'd have been looking for a new artist. That is all. Edited October 16, 2022 by Fabulously Olivier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crubat Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 37 minutes ago, DefyingFates said: Or at the very least we should start a new thread just so Crubat's post doesn't get clogged and start lagging when he tries to edit it. I don't mind doing it, it's not laggy yet for me, but again if we get yet another tweet + enough people want it I'll do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoriCongo Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, DefyingFates said: I'm a guy, but even I feel awkward - I can't begin to imagine how you feel. I don't want to start another argument so I'll just say I agree with you that there's a definite line between simply having female characters and having female characters designed solely for fanservice (e.g. Tharja, F!Byleth and Cornelia, almost every woman in Fates). I'm sorry you had to feel that way! I...don't think you are agreeing with her, I would think she was trying to say that's less of a line then you would believe (side note: a lot of people would actually argue that Tharja wasn't depicted that much of a sex fiend 'til Awakening's DLC and afterward, her normal portrait art really hunches and hides her over and her attire is rather standard Plegian, which is rather equal opportunity in sex appeal beyond Henry's weird noble-esque outfit. Noire would be a lot more openly appealing.). Anyway, even with the idea that the OP becomes harder to manage, it is simpler to manage then having to look after two threads with similar ideas, especially if it is not going to be consistent with the dates. ---------------------- By the way, going some days, I think that the Emblem titles would actually be a mix between their games' titles and their epitaphs in Heroes. Some characters wouldn't have a good 1-1 title. I personally believe it would be: Marth -- Emblem of Beginnings Celica -- Echoing Emblem Sigurd -- Emblem of the Crusade (calling him a Crusader outright would technically be incorrect, Seliph is the real Crusader and Leif is right there) Leif -- Emblem of Unification (They really like him being the Unifier of Thracia) Roy -- Binding Emblem Lyn -- Emblem of the Wind (Eliwood would be the Blazing Emblem for the obvious reason.) Eirika -- Emblem of Restoration (They call her the Restoration Queen in Heroes, which makes sense given how FUBAR'd Magvel becomes as a whole, not just Grado...) Ike -- Radiant Emblem (Ike is known as the Radiant Hero, not Micaiah.) Micaiah -- Silver Emblem Lucina -- Awakening Emblem Corrin -- Emblem of Destiny (synonym of both Fates and if) Byleth -- Emblem of Enlightenment (Byleth's core class promotion and their goal of teaching) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLordYianni Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 There's nothing wrong with actual fanservice, or lack thereof. I love the new designs tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefyingFates Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, KoriCongo said: I...don't think you are agreeing with her, I would think she was trying to say that's less of a line then you would believe Ah okay, my bad! Apologies if this is the case, Troublesome Knight! 2 hours ago, KoriCongo said: Marth -- Emblem of Beginnings Celica -- Echoing Emblem Sigurd -- Emblem of the Crusade (calling him a Crusader outright would technically be incorrect, Seliph is the real Crusader and Leif is right there) Leif -- Emblem of Unification (They really like him being the Unifier of Thracia) Roy -- Binding Emblem Lyn -- Emblem of the Wind (Eliwood would be the Blazing Emblem for the obvious reason.) Eirika -- Emblem of Restoration (They call her the Restoration Queen in Heroes, which makes sense given how FUBAR'd Magvel becomes as a whole, not just Grado...) Ike -- Radiant Emblem (Ike is known as the Radiant Hero, not Micaiah.) Micaiah -- Silver Emblem Lucina -- Awakening Emblem Corrin -- Emblem of Destiny (synonym of both Fates and if) Byleth -- Emblem of Enlightenment (Byleth's core class promotion and their goal of teaching) This is a really good list, thank you very much! It all makes a ton of sense (I especially love Lyn's and the wordplay for Corrin) too! The one suggestion I'd make is Micaiah being the "Dawn Emblem" instead, since that combines one of her epithets (Dawn Priestess) and Radiant Dawn, which she represents. But as I said, other than that I think this list is perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seazas Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said: Well, to quote what this forum said to me in another thread, that's simply not how facts work. Clearly the definition of objectivity is fluid and meaningless here.  It is not objectively wrong. It is also not objectively true. It is an opinion, and I stand by it. Do I regret harshly wording it? Maybe. It got across the strength of how negatively I actually do feel about the job done, but maybe. Suffice it to say, if I were in charge and that was the design given to me, I'd have been looking for a new artist. That is all. The artist objectively isn't talent-less, sorry man. If she was talentless she wouldn't be hired to draw the game. You finding the art style terrible, ill-fitting, soulless, etc isn't what I'm debating here. Just chill on the artist's own capabilities, that's a bit much. Edited October 16, 2022 by Seazas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoriCongo Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, DefyingFates said: This is a really good list, thank you very much! It all makes a ton of sense (I especially love Lyn's and the wordplay for Corrin) too! The one suggestion I'd make is Micaiah being the "Dawn Emblem" instead, since that combines one of her epithets (Dawn Priestess) and Radiant Dawn, which she represents. But as I said, other than that I think this list is perfect! Dawn Emblem would actually make sense, since "Goddess of Dawn" is even RD's JP name! Just trying to make sure it isn't stepping on Ike's toes (not that Ike needs to overshadow Mickey anymore...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefyingFates Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KoriCongo said: (not that Ike needs to overshadow Mickey anymore...) Ain't that the truth? I still think Radiant Dawn would have been better if he hadn't been in it at all (or only used as a minor character like Byleth in Three Hopes)... In any case, I'm glad you like my suggestion for Micaiah, thank you! Edited October 16, 2022 by DefyingFates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 8 hours ago, DefyingFates said: I'm a guy, but even I feel awkward - I can't begin to imagine how you feel. I don't want to start another argument so I'll just say I agree with you that there's a definite line between simply having female characters and having female characters designed solely for fanservice (e.g. Tharja, F!Byleth and Cornelia, almost every woman in Fates). I'm sorry you had to feel that way! Here's hoping they don't pull a Tiki and fall asleep right away. If they don't and the NA news cycle works at a good pace then I think this should be renamed too. Or at the very least we should start a new thread just so Crubat's post doesn't get clogged and start lagging when he tries to edit it. I have a very different opinion about this, but that's for PM. 7 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said: Well, to quote what this forum said to me in another thread, that's simply not how facts work. Clearly the definition of objectivity is fluid and meaningless here.  It is not objectively wrong. It is also not objectively true. It is an opinion, and I stand by it. Do I regret harshly wording it? Maybe. It got across the strength of how negatively I actually do feel about the job done, but maybe. Suffice it to say, if I were in charge and that was the design given to me, I'd have been looking for a new artist. That is all.  1 hour ago, Seazas said: The artist objectively isn't talent-less, sorry man. If she was talentless she wouldn't be hired to draw the game. You finding the art style terrible, ill-fitting, soulless, etc isn't what I'm debating here. Just chill on the artist's own capabilities, that's a bit much. Alright you two, CUT IT OUT. Whine about it in PM or something, because both of you are objectively wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicCanonBalls Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Alear actually looks good in battle and that's really all I cared about since we are mostly in battle. Framme's (or rather Monk's) weapon is just kind of funny and weird. It's a scroll/guide for martial art and it has different level, but isn't it more of a "you learn and you know it" kind of thing. It's like if Mercenary needs to equip "Beginner guide to Swordplay". They should've have make it like Brawler in 3 House and give them gloves or knuckle as weapons.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, MagicCanonBalls said: Framme's (or rather Monk's) weapon is just kind of funny and weird. It's a scroll/guide for martial art and it has different level, but isn't it more of a "you learn and you know it" kind of thing. It's like if Mercenary needs to equip "Beginner guide to Swordplay". In an way, it kind of reminds me of those scrolls from Fates. Where each one has their own bonuses and effects while functionally being the same. My take on it is that each one is an completely different attack as opposed to just running up to someone and kicking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, MagicCanonBalls said: Alear actually looks good in battle and that's really all I cared about since we are mostly in battle. Framme's (or rather Monk's) weapon is just kind of funny and weird. It's a scroll/guide for martial art and it has different level, but isn't it more of a "you learn and you know it" kind of thing. It's like if Mercenary needs to equip "Beginner guide to Swordplay". They should've have make it like Brawler in 3 House and give them gloves or knuckle as weapons.  Sure, it's silly. But is it more silly than a tome that contains one spell, and that one spell has limited uses. What are you doing? Throwing burning pages at the enemy one by one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said: But is it more silly than a tome that contains one spell, and that one spell has limited uses. What are you doing? Throwing burning pages at the enemy one by one? I just assumed that those things are just miniature batteries of magical energy and the text inside them said, "Hold book open in left hand and pretend to read it outstretch your right arm towards that guy wearing an oversized suit of armor, recite spell name, channel the power of the gods from the book to your right palm, strike an smug pose." Edited October 17, 2022 by Armchair General Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 If I recall, that is the case at least in Archanea, as well the staffs. They were created so the caster wouldn't have to use their own energy to power up the spell (which is why Valentian magic drains HP, they have yet to switch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seazas Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Hope there's a new post tonight. I would love some consistency. 7 hours ago, eclipse said: I have a very different opinion about this, but that's for PM.  Alright you two, CUT IT OUT. Whine about it in PM or something, because both of you are objectively wrong. No need. There's nothing to "whine" about to begin with, I'll just drop the topic. Edited October 17, 2022 by Seazas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefyingFates Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 New posts! This time it's for Louis, a lance armor knight of Firenne who's a people watcher. Seems like he'll be a fan favorite, possibly: Â Satsuma's translation of his bio: Quote Lui/Rui is a knight from the capital of the Firene Kingdom. He is a gentle retainer, wrapped in heavy armor. He's always considerate of his comrades, and loves watching his allies be at peace. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crubat Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 Im on my phone and I tried to do it as fast as I could ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ ill update it with translations when im on my laptop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefyingFates Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Crubat said: Im on my phone and I tried to do it as fast as I could ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ ill update it with translations when im on my laptop Hey, you've been first with all of the others, it's unfair to expect you to do all the work! I'm happy I was able to help out the thread while you were busy 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crubat Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, DefyingFates said: Hey, you've been first with all of the others, it's unfair to expect you to do all the work! I'm happy I was able to help out the thread while you were busy 🙂 ty! just updated the main post with everything, and thank you :) - Uhmmm, is louis' thing just... looking? He observes people as his hobby, he mentions watching in his map line and sight in his crit line lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziegenpeter Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) The second Louis combat clip basically confirms treasure-stealing thieves. It's the same map from the second Celine combat clip, but this time, two treasure chests are missing on the map. Meanwhile in Louis' clip, you can see the knife-wielding thief we saw in Celine's clip, but this time holding a droppable item. Edited October 17, 2022 by Ziegenpeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crubat Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ziegenpeter said: The second Louis combat clip basically confirms treasure-stealing thieves. It's the same map from the second Celine combat clip, but this time, two treasure chests are missing on the map. Meanwhile in Louis' clip, you can see the knife-wielding thief we saw in Celine's clip, but this time holding a droppable item. nice catch, thats good to know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keikyushi Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Looks like arrows shot by the archer fall under his feet, which is insane attention to detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 So this also seems to confirm classes have returned to weapon type based (lance armour, axe fighter, sword knight etc...) which is nice to see confirmed finally. Really interested to see how weapon types will work with promotion then. Will they be restricted to one weapon type or will they get more on promo/be able to choose like in PoR which would be nice to see come back. Also I don't know why, but from the og trailer, I did not imagine Louis looking like he did. I had an image of him looking like a younger Gilliam in my head lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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