Elieson Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Elieson's Morning VotalsShin (2): SB., Radiant DragonMitsuki (1): ShinVoteless: Refa, Dandragon, Rapier, Mitsuki, primsWith 8 alive, 5 hammers. No hammer = no lynch. Edited February 28, 2015 by Sara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'm an idiot, 5 hammers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'm Rex Raptor, I like dinosaurs and failure apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) I'm a derp. Phase D2 Updated accordingly with the 5 hammer instead of 6 mybad Edited February 28, 2015 by Sara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 Also 38 hours left in phase. Working-weekend mornings suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Alright, it's a bright new day and I'm ready to Mafia! In Egypt, not in America! *18 pages left for me to read* mafia sucks I don't see how claiming characters will help, but I am Paradox and I need to rhyme. If I don't do it at least once per post I get charged for my crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Now that Rapier's not in this game, his scumdar will be on point 100% of the time! Plot twist, guys! I am here and alive and ready to kick some ass, all the while contributing to the mess (why does mess rhyme with ass? English is a strange language) I'll write some observations (the ones that seem to matter, at least) as I read, so hold onto your horses for a while, that you'll need. I see nothing wrong with one of Shin's initial posts. This is his playstyle, he often reads things through different angles and gives us samples, sometimes without reaching a synthesis between these reads. This is why I called him out on Quickhammer Mafia (and I remember it happened in other mafias too), and yet he was town, because Mafia's where I own. I see no problem with this particular post, except that Shin should be more assertive with his play; else he might not wake up to see another Day! SB's vote on Baldrick seems forced. He votes him because he addressed Mitsuki more than Shin, therefore SB assumed Baldrick's vote was superficial. Yet Baldrick explained his reasoning for voting Shin when he was addressing Mitsuki, so this seems like nitpicking of SB's part. Randa's vote feels really odd because he calls Baldrick for not voting Shin, but then he unvotes Baldrick as quickly as a nod because he is also worried about a quickhammer. It is still a valid vote, but strange regardless. If he found Baldrick's attitude reasonable, why did he deem it questionable? That said, I don't see how not voting is scummy. Instead, I agree with Mitsuki that he's also a dummy. Poly's first post is uninformative to say the least and uncreative to say the most. Most of his points are null, or he shows himself as an indecisive player, or he gets things wrong, such as the part where he calls town for discussing about roles when they weren't really doing so. This post reads like a no. Seems like a post solely made to say 'hey, I'm here' while not contributing much. --- I like Refa's content, he's still sharp and decent. Aside from [urhttp://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=52210&page=8#entry3618146]this post[/url], which I had my attention dragged to, as if it were a McDonalds in the middle of desert with a drive thru (I suck at rhymes but still please give me dimes). From his ISO, it seems... Refa doesn't find Baldrick scummy at all, or doesn't show enough reasons to find him scummy. In fact, it seems as if he's got a more apathetic read toward Baldrick. So this makes no sense to me. SB's been very immemorable and his points really aren't all that impressive, from what I've read he hasn't been much expressive. His back and forth with Mitsuke was where he showed his light, but soon afterwad he was just that eager to leave the spotlight. Randa's being Randa, his nick rhymes with panda and I don't know how to approach him. 10/10 I'm best player, scum should just say their prayer. I kinda like Mitsuki's logic, from what I am reading. Her points about SB on D1 seem good but not all that conclusive to label him as scum, her focus on analyzing scum intent rather than bad logic is protown and her activity during the game has been decent. ugh nine pages left, it makes me feel as if this deal was more like a theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 ##Unvote for now. I can buy Shin's version of events for now, as a couple of people suddenly bother me more. First of all, what's the point of a 1-shot Arsonist? Isn't the entire lure of the role to be able to off multiple players at once? Why would Elie make it 1-shot? In addition, it doesn't really make sense for town!Mitsuki to suddenly turn around and prime one of her townreads, especially if she's a 1-shot as she claims to be. I'll wait for her to respond before voting her again but I'm almost positive she's either scum or ITP at this point. While I don't exactly agree with Mitsuki and Prims' suspicions of Refa, I am finding it harder and harder to believe that he's the only player without a real role. Just out of curiosity, what's your character Refa? Why Dandragon would believe that 'no night-talk' means he can't use his role is beyond me, even if it was his first game. This leads me to suspect he may be lying about being inactive to cover up the fact he's the Redirector (assuming they exist). Then again, I'm also at a loss as to why scum!Dandragon would claim Flavor Checker at this point (or at all, really) so I'm somewhat conflicted about this slot. I'm like 99% sure that at least one scum is hiding in the three Cop claims. I'm leaning toward either Shin or Dandragon solely based on rolespec, since SB's role seems kinda lame as scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 PaniK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandragon Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 PaniK. I dont get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 That's my character's name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Also RD, we don't need to worry about Dandragon because he's going to target SB (which is something you should do as well) so that he can prove his role. The only people at this point without proveable roles are me, and maybe Rapier I don't know. Neither Shin nor Mitsuki can be cleared on role though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 ...Unless you have a Safeguard, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Well, if you ask me 1-shot arsonist is an amazing town role. It lets you put pressure in your scumread and if you think they're town after their reaction you can just not burn them. It's way better than a vig. I think Elie did a great job thinking about this one, and you're all haters for not seeing it. As for my Shin townread: I was scumreading Shin before, and I tend to just go and townread my scumreads after a while, so I knew I had to check twice. N1 I spent some time ISOing everybody and reconsidering. After reading Shin I thought he was scum again, and checking SB's townread I realised that I didn't see what was townie about what he pointed out. Actual logic behind this: - Shin: Upon thinking about it, I think my ED1 read on him here is telling. I don't like his passive-agressiveness here either, on gut. The Baldrick vote is not that bad, but other than that there's a lot of poking at people and he doesn't really come to conclusions afterwards. It's as if he was saying "Look at this weird thing this player did, it COULD come from scum". It's both trying to paint people as scummy and trying to seem contributing without having actual reads. If you want a clear example of that, look at this post on Dandragon, and his thoughts on him afterwards, at the bottom of this post. This actually makes me feel his Randa vote is terrible, since he was painting Dandragon as scummy before, but I don't think I can explain this properly. The thing that made me reflect on my townread on him the most though was how he disappeared when he got a counterwagon running, just like that. I know lack of motivation is a thing but I feel like town would have tried to at least say something else. I saw him checking the thread hours after his last post for D1, so being busy is not an excuse. Not to mention that it makes no sense to target me if you think I'm masons with someone else. Town would try to cop scum, not try to cop town. As for SB's townread on Shin, I just thought the points he brought up didn't apply. To be precise, I can see scum making weak pushes and overall trying to lay in the background, not everyone will be active and agressive with their pushes as scum. Actually I think the first kind of behaviour is more common than the latter. I don't think scum would try to keep pushing Baldrick either (I didn't agree on this point from the beginning, if it matters). People who were avaiable at the time didn't want to vote Baldrick, so it would have been harder to get him lynched. Now I can comment on a bit more: if Shin thought Baldrick and I were masons well, of course he wasn't going to push Baldrick or me, since that'd be suicide for scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 By the way, I won't claim my character since Elie said flavour wasn't indicative of alignment (on the EM chat, if I remember correctly), and I'd rather not risk activate some hidden scum role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 We have a flavor cop (either that or Dandragon chose literally the worst fakeclaim ever), clearly it's indicative of something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 My main reason was because I thought it would give me two clears and a lot of associative reads to go off of. The rest of my reads on people were fairly vague, so it would have been potluck if I'd actually found scum, but yeah, I can see why my play wasn't optimal. Also what are your thoughts on this? It's what made me less sure of Shin overall (although thinking about it, he'd be the only investigative role I'd be comfortable with lynching considering how the other ones are). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandragon Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 We have a flavor cop (either that or Dandragon chose literally the worst fakeclaim ever), clearly it's indicative of something. Tbf why would anyone wanna fakeclaim Mako. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I remember Eli saying about the flavour not mattering thing so I can just see dandragon as a functional vanilla being added to fuck with us. Shin is probably still scum because of having the only multipart role in the game and the "I was redirected" claim is probably bullshit too because RD was able to target Mitsuki and I don't see why a scum!Hijacker would target the dude who had a passive role claimed in thread over someone unclaimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I was thinking about how vigging Shin instead of lynching him risks getting screwed by a scum roleblock but it might actually be a good idea because then if there's a scum roleblock they have to pick between blocking Mitsuki and blocking me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Fair enough regarding Dandragon. Also didn't think about that WRT Shin. I figure a Scum Hijacker would target Poly over RD/Mitsuki though, although at this point we're just splitting hairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I think waiting for the rest of the claims first is a good idea though before deciding if we're going to lynch Shin or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 claim: Bonz, Town Conditional Insomniac / Sentinel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'd probably guess Shin's buddy is in Prims/Rapier/Dandragon? Reading D1 for interactions with inactive slots are hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I don't think it's Dandragon, but at least that one will be obvious come tomorrow. Could be Prims, I suppose, but he's like the only protective role claim amongst a sea of info roles and it's just way too weird to be a fakeclaim. Dunno about Rapier (I kind of skimmed his post) but he'd be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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