Colonel M Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Julian > Matthis is explained here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 First off... Level 30 is the equivalent of endgame level. Others have found it a little unreasonable that he's gaining so much so fast. Also, this tier list assumes that everyone is getting the Master Seal first, otherwise it would be biased towards top characters that would usually get them first, so we can assume that Matthis can continue leveling. But if Matthis is still worse than Julian, then I will drop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) IIRC it only takes 1.2 levels per chapter (C3-C20), which isn't terribly difficult to justify on him at least. Though, if you want to argue that far then consider the following: First off, Matthis heals. Okay, but so what? Julian here can pick chests AND fight. That's two advantages to Matthis's one. Even by lategame, they're still quite comparable, but Julian once again has the picking advantage. There's still booty to grab by lategame and the extra cash isn't killing us. He's helping us save money and gaining a slight net profit by stealing all that stuff. It's only a slight expansion on it. Personally I'd wish to put Julian into the "utility" list, but it's probably too difficult to argue and Julian would end up below Nagi and Gotoh anyway. Edited June 24, 2009 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Julian is enough of a liability to not be in the utility list. May as well give up on that one. Also, healing as an argument should be coupled with how they are doing after promotion. I don't think anyone is actually going to try arguing Matthis > Julian though, so I'm just going to drop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Well I mean if you feel that Matthis has a reason to be better, I'm not going to totally knock it out of the way. I'm just saying 1.2 levels isn't terribly difficult. I just don't see Julian dropping a whole lot, which is the only issue. That, and thieving utility is kind of difficult to speak about. Alright, so who's next? Paola > Matthis? ...Fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Nope. I don't feel Matthis has much reason to be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) Well uh... it depends on how much we're going to put into Paola. That's the issue. In response to it, her leveling up quickly isn't a major issue. She starts with Silver Lances and has an insane Str growth on top of a decent Def growth, then her Spd is passable. Something's telling me she can be... 20/1 at the worst by C20, but the problem is the freaking Axe rank now. She has Ridersbane and Silver Lance btw, so her offense is still passing. In return, holding an Axe (does it really matter what one she is using?), she can bend the Braves down a bit. She's 3RKOed as long as she holds the Axe on the Enemy Phase, which is pretty good. And, really, the only time she needs the Axe is Enemy Phase, so she doesn't need to desperately build upon it. As for Matthis, my homeboy who's dropping like a rock, he can't compare at 20/10 averages. 12 Str and 18 AS isn't doubling anything and... it's almost like dealing with a Jeorge on our hands. No, dead serious. If it's justified, she could use an early promotion and build it up in time. Something like 16/5 might not be totally out of the question, but she can't really fiddle around with her shaky AS much more. Dunno, this really depends in some situations, but I'd say she's winning regardless. Edited June 24, 2009 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) Meh, I'll just post it here. So Malcolm kind of budged about how someone can go Hunter -> General. Well... some can, but others can't. This isn't really for changing tier lists, just more for "oohs" and "aahs". Dolph Though you kind of know that one anyway. Lol @ 17 AS by 20/1. Barst Kind of obvious, but w/e. Darros Now his AS isn't terrible. And he STILL ends with about 22 Def. Problem? Well... let's say he's never doubling. And finally, I present to you what could make Bord, yes, BORD passable: Bord How's that for a jawdropper for the day? Though apply the same problem to Darros: Never doubling as a Hunter. Just some things that were kind of cool, I guess. Some just can't pass on this though. If they're AS is too low, they get quadrupled. Even if they take 5 damage tops, that's about 20 damage. Yeah, Bord needs some training to escape that though. IIRC he has 23 Def by 20/10, so a DracoShield makes that immune to some Brave assualts and take about 12 damage from the high-end stuff. They aren't immune, but you gotta admit some (Dolph) are quite sturdy with this set-up despite Brave assualts. Edited June 25, 2009 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 I've known about this for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) I've known about this for a long time. *Headdesk* EDIT: So uh... Paola > Matthis seem good or some flaw in my argument? Edited June 25, 2009 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 ok, I may be completely wrong here, because I haven't played H5, only H1 which was only hard because reinforcements come before enemy turn.... Shouldn't Navarre be above Castor?Navarre has the potential to cap speed and beats Castor in HP, SKL,and LCK. Castor wins in str and def and is use to your team on H5 because he won't "eat a counter-attack"like you guys like to say. all in all, I think that is enough to put Navarre in front of Castor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Uhh... Kashim's Armor Knight -> General route is considered better. Nabarl prefers to have some time as a Myrmidion and Cavalier, then simply switch into something like Sniper or DracoKnight. Paladins are light-weight in this game, but w/e. Poiint is General Kashim is similair to General Darros, just a little bit off but still immunity (or damn near close to it) is difficult to accomplish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Uhh...Kashim's Armor Knight -> General route is considered better. Nabarl prefers to have some time as a Myrmidion and Cavalier, then simply switch into something like Sniper or DracoKnight. Paladins are light-weight in this game, but w/e. Poiint is General Kashim is similair to General Darros, just a little bit off but still immunity (or damn near close to it) is difficult to accomplish. Kashim is Castor I suppose, I didn't think about castor as a knight. I usually just stick sedgar in there as general 3 chapters later so its not really a problem. I might try it next playthrough, when I do H5. In that case, I guess castor is better, because good knights in this game work very well as opposed to swordmasters and paladins, with the different dodge formula, a swordmaster will only have a good chance at dodging an axe user and navarre as a paladin would be vulnerable until he grows paladin stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 *Headdesk*EDIT: So uh... Paola > Matthis seem good or some flaw in my argument? I would agree. There are plenty of other, better cavs to use instead of Mathis, but Palla is probably the 3rd best flier, well, out of 4 fliers thats no good accomplishment, but that class is more useful than cavs on chapters like C24, C15, and C14?i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I would agree. There are plenty of other, better cavs to use instead of Mathis, but Palla is probably the 3rd best flier, well, out of 4 fliers thats no good accomplishment, but that class is more useful than cavs on chapters like C24, C15, and C14?i think. How they compare relative to characters in their own classes are irrelevant. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) How they compare relative to characters in their own classes are irrelevant. >_> It has to be somewhat relevant, or else no one would have a place on the list...I thought this list took into account how useful characters are, in any class, and if a character is the most useful in their own class, wouldn't that be quite relevant? EDIT:I reread what you posted, and I get it now...but is a peg knight paola's best class? I've never tried to use her Edited June 25, 2009 by core34510 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I assume Pegasus Knight is her best class, though I guess she could switch to an Archer or a Myrmidon for a speed boost when bow-weilding classes are common. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 and if a character is the most useful in their own class, wouldn't that be quite relevant? No, what matters is their position compared to everyone else. The ones in their own class don't have extra weight. Like, let's say General is the best class for all intends and purposes, and Paladin the second best, and let's say Darros and Castor are the best two Generals, and Navarre is the best Paladin. Darros and Castor are still better off than Navarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 No, what matters is their position compared to everyone else. The ones in their own class don't have extra weight. Like, let's say General is the best class for all intends and purposes, and Paladin the second best, and let's say Darros and Castor are the best two Generals, and Navarre is the best Paladin. Darros and Castor are still better off than Navarre. ya, I'm new to these forums, so thanks for clearing that up for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Paola's best class is probably Sniper (not Archer), just like every single other character in Class Set A that isn't suited to be a Mage. At a glance she looks like she could use Swordfighter, but I did that with Katua on my H5 playthrough and E in Swords sucks baaad. If you want her to go the Swordmaster route, just train her as Pegasus first. She can just do Pegasus -> Dragon Knight as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Swordmaster is a really sloppy class though, in my opinion. Lacking a secondary weapon and no innate Crit really hurts in this game. Well, at least Silver Swords aren't a mile away like it would be for the Myrmidion class, and the base Spd might help Paola in some situations. Though I'd simply stick with Sniper if you want to double badly or DracoKnight if you want Def. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 srsly. I'd much rather be locked to bows in this game than swords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 I did say Sniper was her best class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I Think I will try Athena as an archer because I have heard great things about it. I'll probably just kill palla. What should I do with Catria though... I killed her in my other playthroughs, but I'm going to keep her this time. I've heard she is much better than caeda because of her better str HP and def(I think I got that right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) and basically equal spd, yes. Catria's much better than Palla. Edited June 25, 2009 by GreenHairedDraco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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