Arden is the best FE4 G1 character.

[Tubba]

Prove me wrong.

[TheEnd]

Yeah, yeah.

Reported. Learn to troll.

Edited February 26, 2009 by Arthur

[Tubba]

Oh, so you won't even bother making an argument?

[Fia]

Unless you are extremely lucky and abuse the savestate, it's almost impossible to make Adan as a good unit. Don't even talk about him being the best in 1st Gen. >.>

I trained and promoted him twice or maybe thrice and each time he disappoints me greatly for not being useable at all.

[TheEnd]

Stop, Fia. You're feeding him.

Tubba, you should improve your trolling techniques. As you are now, you're both obvious and boring.

Edited February 26, 2009 by Arthur

[Tubba]

Unless you are extremely lucky and abuse the savestate, it's almost impossible to make Adan as a good unit. Don't even talk about him being the best in 1st Gen. >.>

I trained and promoted him twice or maybe thrice and each time he disappoints me greatly for not being useable at all.

- He's required for the Pursuit Ring

- He's there from chapter 1

- General's one of the best classes in the game.

- Only Sigurd, Cuan, Holyn and Levin beat him in stats

- He uses Swords, the best sort of weapon

Best might have been a slight exaggeration - I will have to admit that Sigurd is more useful. But besides Sigurd, no one holds a candle to Arden.

[Rei Rei]

Well, if you count Binary, Arden sure goes up a lot on tiers.

But Tubba has a little point on Arden, he's required for the Pursuit Ring, and that alone helps much on the 2nd Gen units, and even some of the 1st.

[Tubba]

And with the pursuit ring, which pretty much no one makes better use of (Unless you want to four-hit with Lex, but that's redundant), he can easily double enemy knights while taking little damage in return, allowing him to take down legions at once.

[TheEnd]

- He's required for the Pursuit Ring

- He's there from chapter 1

- General's one of the best classes in the game.

- Only Sigurd, Cuan, Holyn and Levin beat him in stats

- He uses Swords, the best sort of weapon

Best might have been a slight exaggeration - I will have to admit that Sigurd is more useful. But besides Sigurd, no one holds a candle to Arden.

[Mekkah]

[Tubba]

Attempting to make belittling posts like that isn't helping your credibility.

[Tino]

And the troll has just been fed. Again.

Tubba, I'm now laughing at your pathetic trolling attempts. Get better and I'll laugh even harder at how you screw over people.

Edited February 26, 2009 by Tino

[Rei Rei]

Am I the only one thinking that this thread has potential somehow?

[Tubba]

And the troll has just been fed. Again.

Tubba, I'm now laughing at your pathetic trolling attempts. Get better and I'll laugh even harder at how you screw over people.

Screaming "TROLL ;___;" whenever you disagree with someone makes you the troll. That post is nothing but an attempt to annoy me.

[NoNameAtAll]

I'll say it now:

inb4lock.

[Tubba]

I'll say it now:

inb4lock.

Oh, look, more pointless posts attempting to troll me rather than actually attempting to argue.

Of course you won't argue, because you know you will lose.

[Tino]

If you really want to argue...

- He's required for the Pursuit Ring

- He's there from chapter 1

- General's one of the best classes in the game.

- Only Sigurd, Cuan, Holyn and Levin beat him in stats

- He uses Swords, the best sort of weapon

- Granted

- His performance is far below average, so his longer existence is more of a detriment than a benefit.

- With the low movement when all your other units can move much further? Sounds more like one of the worst to me.

- Fuck no.

- Granted

[Tubba]

If you really want to argue...

- Granted

- His performance is far below average, so his longer existence is more of a detriment than a benefit.

- With the low movement when all your other units can move much further? Sounds more like one of the worst to me.

- Fuck no.

- Granted

- Yes.

- Flawed argument. Him being there is not a liability in any way, regardless of performance.

- So? Give him a leg ring if you're that bothered by it. He's there to take hits, not run around like an idiot.

- Ooh, impressive counter. I'm stunned.

- Yes.

[Tino]

- Flawed argument. Him being there is not a liability in any way, regardless of performance.

If his performance sucks, which it does, then him being there is obviously detrimental. That's just common sense. He can't keep up with the team, and thus either gets left behind, which means he can get killed by lone enemies or high Mov enemies or reinforcements coming from the back, or that he drags the movement of the entire team down. He can't kill anything reliably on his own.

Hmm, massive liability.

- So? Give him a leg ring if you're that bothered by it. He's there to take hits, not run around like an idiot.

You give him a resource many other units can use as well? Epic lolz. Why not give it to Ayra, Holyn, Jamka, Aideen, Lachesis, etc.? Why would Ardan, who still has below average statistics even with that additional movement, take it over any better unit?

Also, if Ardan needs that Leg Ring to be at least any good, then that's auto-fail.

- Ooh, impressive counter. I'm stunned.

I know, right?

But if you really want your statistical comparisons, you'll have to wait for a bit, as I can't just get those numbers out of my magical hat. Or you show us that Ardan is indeed statistically superior to many of your other units.

[TheEnd]

In before Arden x Eltoshan youtube video.

[NoNameAtAll]

In before Arden x Eltoshan youtube video.

Why would that happen? Elto's too busy doin' it with Lachesis and Grayne.

[Rei Rei]

In before Arden x Eltoshan youtube video.

Or Arden x Leptor for that matter.

[NoNameAtAll]

Or Arden x Leptor for that matter.

That's more realistic.

[TheEnd]

Why would that happen? Elto's too busy doin' it with Lachesis and Grayne.

I meant battle.

I know Elto has his hands full with his sister and wife otherwise.

[Tubba]

If his performance sucks, which it does, then him being there is obviously detrimental. That's just common sense. He can't keep up with the team, and thus either gets left behind, which means he can get killed by lone enemies or high Mov enemies or reinforcements coming from the back, or that he drags the movement of the entire team down. He can't kill anything reliably on his own.

Hmm, massive liability.

That's because you're using him wrong. Most people just leave him around in the castle, expecting him to level automatically or something like that. You have to kill things with him for him to be good. I assumed that was a granted, but apparently, it was not.

You give him a resource many other units can use as well? Epic lolz. Why not give it to Ayra, Holyn, Jamka, Aideen, Lachesis, etc.? Why would Ardan, who still has below average statistics even with that additional movement, take it over any better unit?

Also, if Ardan needs that Leg Ring to be at least any good, then that's auto-fail.

You complained about his movement restriction in the first place. I don't find it a problem, as I don't need excessive movement to make good use of my unit.

I know, right?

But if you really want your statistical comparisons, you'll have to wait for a bit, as I can't just get those numbers out of my magical hat. Or you show us that Ardan is indeed statistically superior to many of your other units.

Fine.

Alec

2 Level

32 HP

9 STR

0 MAG

9 SKL

10 SPD

4 LCK

7 DEF

0 MDEF

Pursuit, Awareness

Arde

3 Level

36 HP

13 STR

0 MAG

5 SKL

4 SPD

3 LCK

13 DEF

0 MDEF

Ambush

Most notably, Arden had a lead of 4 STR (!) and a whooping 6 DEF. Alec has a fairly irrelevant +6 SPD lead, +1 LCK and +4 SKL. Arden wins HP with +3 as well. MAG and MDEF are tied at 0.

Now, the would-be veteran player will immideatly notice Alec's Pursuit skill. However, let's make a simple comparison.

They both fight an enemy, a Mountain Thief. The Mountain Thief has 35 HP, 5 STR 7 SPD and 5 DEF. Other stats are 0 or irrelevant. He's holding an axe, so his AS is probably in the negatives, allowing Alec to double with little issue.

Alec holds a sword to not cripple his evade, right? Well, let's see.

Iron Sword gives Alec an ATK of 15. Arden gets an ATK of 19 (!!!).

Effectively, Alec has an ATK of 10 against the bandit, Arden an ATK of 14.

Alec attacks, and doubles. Mt. Thief has 15 HP left. Alec has 20 HP left.

Enemy turn, Mt. Thief attacks. Alec has a measly 8 HP left, but barely manages to kill the Bandit.

Amazing. Now let's look at Arden, same bandit, same equipment.

Arden hits Mt. Thief for 14 damage, mt. Thief counters, bringing Arden down to 30 HP.

Enemy round. Mt. Thief attacks Arden, bringing him down to 24 HP, Arden counters, Bandit has but 7 HP left.

Arden easily finishes the Mt. Thief off.

Now, while Alec indeed only took two rounds to kill the Mt. Thief, at the time of finishing him, he was in peril himself. Arden could probably take down TWO Mt. Thieves at a time without being at a major risk of dying, simply due to his Ambush skill. This would allow him to kill both of them and still remain at 10+ HP. Let's take a look, calling the Mt. Thieves X and Y.

Round 1, Arden hits X bringing him down to 21 HP. Arden is brought down to 30 HP.

X and Y hits Arden. He now has 18 HP, one of them has 7 HP, the other 21.

Round 2. Arden hits Y, bringing him down to 7 HP, Arden himself having 12 left.

Enemy round! Will Arden die? Nope, because his Ambush skill kicks in, allowing him to kill both of them without a scratch, and with enough HP to survive another hit!

This was just an example. See how Arden is superior to Alec?