Rhythm Tengoku Mafia: The Best + (Game Over)

[Grace]

don't have a load of time, but skimmed on phone before dragging myself out of bed (also 4.5 hours of sleep hype)

@elie:

read this post again, particularly the first paragraph

[Paperblade]

The only way Manix's vote on Shin makes sense to me is if he took it seriously (which is hilarious). I'm inclined to think townManix is more likely to take an obvious joke seriously

##Unvote, ##Vote: Elieson

I'm reminded of Eliescumgames like Big NOCers and CYOR1 where it felt like he was trying to smear people and make them look bad, and I feel like his play here is similar to that, like how he's picking at what Manix said to fit a picture.

[Elieson]

I don't see anything else to comment on and vote on, and I don't wanna keep my vote on RVS.

Paperscum why not cite my town games where I smeared manix like Healer mafia, or is what I'm doing not like that game?

[Percivalé]

Elie was null to me because I didn't really remember his RVS post, and Shin I didn't really know because I don't really know how to read him. I just thought it was weird that you based your vote on "Shin and Elie are null and also easy targets" without explaining why you thought they were null, like it was an objective fact or something.

Elie what do you think about what I posted? Manix did cite a reason for voting Shin...

[Elieson]

I disagree with manixs reasoning to vote shin. I more or less agree with you tho I guess I haven't read your stuff as much as I should've since I've been distracted with work today so I can reread after supper

[Refa]

I'm not changing my vote until j00 adequately addresses my scumread on her. Her turnaround on her Manix read is forced (as in, it happened because there wasn't enough support for it AND she was getting flak for it) and the Elieson read bothers me, but I'm not sure how to explain it ahhhh mafia sucks. I think it's because j00 had a very similar reaction (not the same, but similar) to Manix's early posts and calling Elieson out for it is pretty hypocritical (not always scummy, but it is in this case).

FWIW Elieson, I didn't answer your reply to me because I was fine with it and didn't want to clutter the thread (also 20 post limit ;_;).

[Elieson]

I more or less agree with the Manix Meta (apathetic manix drops off the effort train mid-lategame I think) but I guess I interpreted his analysis of shin more as a "I actively dislike your attempt at home posting", rather than your interpretation of " manix probably didn't really notice that shin was jokeposting"

I can see it I just didn't think of it that way but manix should still justify to me specifically at least, why he values the logic of his vote moreso vs his logic of his vote not being really worth it

Wow that sounds dumb

[Snike]

RIP secretflavorhuntingstrats.doc

ok time to tap.

I feel like Manix is town based off of his taking Shin's post seriously, but not off of meta, exactly. It's more of that taking it seriously is almost exactly what I'd expect someone who has a headache + is tired to do, and I don't think that scum would try to breakRVS with those in mind.

Elie responded to Manix with what looks like a loaded question because I don't really see the 'reasons to not vote shin'? The reason he(Manix) mentioned Shin's Serious Shenanigans was probably to shoot down that counterargument in advance (Quote mentioned this). He (Elie) later reiterated that he was voting Manix despite the linked Quote post + disagreement with voting Shin over jokespoiler. That's weak, and the first point is vague enough to smear. However he's starting to come around if what I'm being cut by is anything to go on. Would start as second lynch priority.

Let's talk about j00 though. Goes on Manix over the Shin vote by calling it lazy + making the case that Shin and Elie are easy wagons. I believe the latter argument's been handled a few times previously, but the former is ridiculous. Manix literally brought the game out of RVS, kicking and screaming ; how is that the lazy thing to do, especially when the alternative is to leave it in RVS? The flip on the read doesn't strike me as genuine,especially since Manix is now town because he's pushing the game foward and her next target (elie) is getting criticized for the position she held formerly. What tapped the scales for me is how the flip post didn't include any response to what the Aussie said to her. That reads to me as though j00's trying to avoid getting caught up in an exchange with Manix and thus draw attention to herself.

Because of that, I'm sorry Admiral, but my vote belongs to another.

##Unvote

##Vote: j00

Asides:

Shin, do you mean LYLO? Because otherwise you just won a NOC by surviving.

Refa, shamefur dispray. Only the game genres are the same!!!!!!

In general: Is that 20-25 post limit actually a thing? If so/not, Refa, why did you accept it so easily?

[Grace]

alright so remember when i said i have compulsory jury stuff? that's done now so i will be around a bit more.

saying that, the tiredness hit pretty hard so i won't be posting for a bit. did already skim thread but rip brain

[Dormio]

Ok, so, I'm here and there are actual posts.

Also, I'd vote Curly Brace/Manix but other people have already done this and covered most of the points I'd want to go over so it's mostly moot for now.

Instead, I'll just do this.

##Unvote

##Vote Snike

Basically, the hard defense of Curly Brace/Manix strikes me as super odd and I'm not really liking it one bit.

Like, I mean, I get making cases on people that you think are making bad cases but what's the point of already stating that you have a strong townread on someone?

It reads to me like super hard buddying basically and I think that's scummy.

[Percivalé]

i'm probably going to be not around as much because i have 3 chapters of math homework to get done by thursday but i'm still lurking JUST A HEADS UP

dormio why is snike's manix defense scummy and not mine

[Percivalé]

also Dormio are you implying you think Manix is scummier than Snike, but you're voting Snike for pressure? the "I would vote x but instead I'll vote y" argument is scummy because in the case x flips town you can avoid some of the pressure, but if x flips scum you get credit for a wagon you didn't vote.

I agree with Refa on his points about j00, but especially her quick turnaround.

[Dormio]

RE: Why Snike and not you,

Probably because I skimmed over your post.

But reading your post again doesn't change my mind much since I feel like Snike is hard buddying.

Also, I don't feel like rehashing the Curly Brace votes so whatever?

I'll reorganize my thoughts in a little bit.

[Dormio]

No, but yeah, I was in a game so I didn't properly respond to the voting point but I'm cool with you pretending I'm voting for both of them if that makes you happier?

[Paperblade]

I don't see anything else to comment on and vote on, and I don't wanna keep my vote on RVS.

Paperscum why not cite my town games where I smeared manix like Healer mafia, or is what I'm doing not like that game?

"Paper why aren't you citing games you didn't follow"

idk this is a good question Elieson

[Grace]

there's a surprising amount of not much to comment on right now.

I can see it I just didn't think of it that way but manix should still justify to me specifically at least, why he values the logic of his vote moreso vs his logic of his vote not being really worth it

sentence doesn't really parse too well. i also feel like you wouldn't be asking this question if you read this:

@elie:

read this post again, particularly the first paragraph

basically i just wanted something to happen. someone has to take the early pressure for leading the game out of rvs, so i figured that i would just get it over with.

furthermore:

I disagree with manixs reasoning to vote shin.

if this was really the case, then you're basically saying (in a roundabout way) that you didn't want something to happen to progress the game? that's what i'm hearing right now.

you're being very selective about what parts of my posts that you seem to be acknowledging, even though i've pointed toward them after the initial post.

Also, I'd vote Curly Brace/Manix but other people have already done this and covered most of the points I'd want to go over so it's mostly moot for now.

that's nice. which points did you agree with, anyway? you can say you agree with "most" but without giving specifics, it feels like you're trying to not give a concrete opinion.

##Unvote

##Vote: Elieson

don't really have a proper second lynch target, but dormio is being slightly cagey and is probably my next best lead.

(also the headache came back today. was not fun but i've managed to stave it away for the time being. probably going to chime in again in a few hours when more stuff has happened, and if nothing has really happened, i may have to do something drastic.)

[Dormio]

I'm lazy which is why I don't feel like explaining myself. But, since you're asking, basically I don't get why you're taking Shin's post so seriously and the vote feels kind of force, you know?

I also don't understand why Elieson given Paperblade made pretty much exactly the same post with a fewer number of words.

[Grace]

you're definitely lazy and i don't like it. you could easily find the answer to your question

basically I don't get why you're taking Shin's post so seriously and the vote feels kind of force, you know?

in this very post i linked just above.

would you have preferred me to do nothing and let the game stagnate?

better yet, how do you think the game can progress out of rvs without something to catalyze it?

[Blitz]

The only way Manix's vote on Shin makes sense to me is if he took it seriously (which is hilarious). I'm inclined to think townManix is more likely to take an obvious joke seriously

##Unvote, ##Vote: Elieson

I'm reminded of Eliescumgames like Big NOCers and CYOR1 where it felt like he was trying to smear people and make them look bad, and I feel like his play here is similar to that, like how he's picking at what Manix said to fit a picture.

ummm, but doesn't Elie also come up with reasons to vote for people who are more likely town in almost every game he plays? (and he stubbornly keeps at it, even when he realizes the effort is futile)

to me, it feels like one of those cases than the ones where he just tries to smear people (though, I actually don't remember him smearing people)

Also, I'd vote Curly Brace/Manix but other people have already done this and covered most of the points I'd want to go over so it's mostly moot for now.

could you sum up those points anyways, please?

also, what do you think of Shin's points on Manix?

other than these, the person who is not doing what I expected him to do, is Shin. Normally, from what I can recall, Shin is all over the place, using every method he can use to get out of RVS and he is very good at it too. He also uses the chance to find scummy people using that method at the same time. Neither of which I am seeing this game. It could be because it is early game that Shin hasn't done it yet and it is still true that I can't read him,

Truth be told, I'm not terribly upset with this vote, I agree entirely it's the first weird thing that sticks out in the game. Still, I'd like to know, is the vote because it's scummy or because it's the least not-scummy thing that's turned up?

This is less "OMG Eli is scum!" and more "This is what's taken my attention most so far, and a lolvote on Dormio isn't as funny as it was a couple of hours ago." Eli's going in a little bit strong for my liking, moreso than j00.

but, both of the above quoted posts feel reactionary to me, so, I am gonna

##Unvote

##Vote: Shin

until he pulls a better Shin!

also, Shin, can you tell us about your thoughts on j00's #47?

Now, regarding j00

Don't like j00's vote on Manix. Okay, Shin and Elieson are easily wagoned (I'd argue that Elieson isn't considering he wallposts in defense as town, but that's neither here nor there), but that doesn't change the fact that statistically they have the same chance of rolling scum as anyone else. Additionally, while both are easy D1 lynches (previously mentioned argument intact), it's a pretty big leap in logic to assume that's what Manix is doing with his ED1 vote of all things.

Her turnaround on her Manix read is forced (as in, it happened because there wasn't enough support for it AND she was getting flak for it) and the Elieson read bothers me, but I'm not sure how to explain it ahhhh mafia sucks. I think it's because j00 had a very similar reaction (not the same, but similar) to Manix's early posts and calling Elieson out for it is pretty hypocritical (not always scummy, but it is in this case).

agreeing with the primary case and the fact that j00 seemed to switch out of Manix for taking sh*t for it.

Still though, it's good you got us out of RVS fast, but singling out Shin and Elie in RVS feels lazy to me. Both are players that easily gets wagoned due to RVS shenanigans, and what they've posted so far is null. Especially Elie, I really don't see how his post is any different than everyone else who just posted a random quip and a vote. Both are also pretty safe D1 lynches in that whenever they get mislynched D1, the consensus is ususally that everyone messed up instead of blaming the players who pushed the lynches.

(Manix's posts are good, I disagree with the first one but in general he's pushing the game along)

these two posts are kinda contradicting, IMO, because in the first one, j00 talks about Manix working to move the game forward, while saying Manix is vote worthy while in the next one, j00 uses a similar logic to say Manix is helping the game move forward and therefore not vote worthy anymore (yes, I know it is part of the reason, but, it is still double standard, IMO, which makes it scummy.

[Blitz]

and I was cut

I also don't understand why Elieson given Paperblade made pretty much exactly the same post with a fewer number of words.

could you please explain this (I don't get it)

[Prims]

Votals 1.3

Elieson (4) - Shin, j00, Paperblade, Manix

j00 (3) - Refa, Via, Snike

Manix (1) - Elieson

Haze (1) - Kaoz

Kaoz (1) - Haze

Shin (1) - Blitz

Snike (1) - Dormio

Not Voting (1): Iris

You have 38 hours and 22 minutes left in the phase. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Dormio]

you're definitely lazy and i don't like it. you could easily find the answer to your question

in this very post i linked just above.

I missed that post. Blame me reading through the mafia thread while I'm dead and waiting to respawn in DotA.

Anyway, given that reasoning and the fact that you moved off Shin for a case on Elieson with actual reasons, I'm a lot happier.

could you please explain this (I don't get it)

Basically Elieson's post here is... voting for Snike not Refa. I blame DotA.

But basically both that post and Paperblade's post are pointing out that Curly Brace forgot to add anything about Snike.

[Refa]

Oh god, I read Snike's first sentence as "ok time to fap". Snike no, this is a gentleman's game (in theory). Also man, did you figure out what my first post was referencing already jeez. Anyways, I'm taking the 20 post thing as a guideline more than something I'm absolutely going to follow no matter what; it's just more conducive to a readable game state.

Don't like Dormio's vote on Snike. For one, it's actually wrong? Snike didn't hard defend Manix at all and he never said he had a strong townread on the dude. I can kind of get someone seeing buddying in his j00 case (even though I wouldn't agree with it), but besides that...yeah, it's pretty scummy (maybe I'm wrong about this next part, but Dormio seems like the kind of dude who hates playing scum). Issues with Manix don't bother me, in that I can see where he's coming from on that one. Can you explain what you mean by Manix forgetting to add anything about Snike?

Yay, someone made a case on Elieson that I can actually understand. I had a slight townread on him because his posts gave off the impression that he didn't care what other people read them as (such as when he said that he was smearing Manix's content at one point), but I can get where Manix is coming from WRT him being selective with his reading. Still not enough for me to vote him, but I'll see whenever his next content post comes out. Blitz actually brought up a good point in that I'd expect Elieson to have switched his vote by now as scum, seeing as it's doing him no favors.

[Refa]

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[Paperblade]

You don't need to have a strong townread on someone to hard defend them

in fact it's scummier to do it that way