j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I can't just create discussion out of nowhere like some kind of wizard. I can, I voted Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 why am I in a mafia game with a bunch of people I can't read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Ok, j00 :35 post. I'm probably gonna get flak for this, but regarding my Manix vote, the reason I didn't say anything about Refa's case on me was because I'm not going to defend it. I disagreed with his post wrt to Elie and Shin and thought it felt opportunistic, so I voted him. I'm okay with his reply, the intent felt more like getting discussion along and his vote moved the game out of RVS, which I even mentioned in my vote post, and I don't think Manix is scum. I wanted to get discussion along and move out of RVS so I discussed with him. I don't have anything more to say about the Manix case. I disagree with my change to Elie being that jarring though, because the Manix case was the second post after RVS and not something to hold on. Elie also agreed with Manix being bad, so I "changed it because I didn't get support" is silly, at that time I could've just bided my time until yet someone else agreed with Manix' case being flimsy. Maybe I'm just bad at reading, but I can't parse Snike's case on Elie: I feel like you're simplyfying Elie's case a bit too much. You come with your own interpretation of the intent behind Manix's post, and link to Via's counterargument and say Elie disagreed, and that's why his vote is weak, but "he's starting to come around" which is relevant how? This whole section feels very vague and waffly since you're not directly saying why you feel Elie is bad, you just give a summary of what happened and read doesn't feel genuine. I agree with Via that Dormio voting Snike for defending Manix and ignoring Via is weird, but so far he just seems lazy. Would like to hear if he's got some other reads. Paper do you have any actual cases I have no idea what Elie is trying to say?? There's a lot of quoting but only some fluffy statements and eh reads, keeping my vote on him unless someone else are worse. Need to read the last two pages properly with Blitz, Iris, Kaoz and Shin, just gonna post this first to make things more readable. Also just saw Haze calling me out for being non-confrontive you wanna fite man [spoiler=Re:My Elieson section]Explain how I'm simplifying the argument. That intent point, if you're just talking about what you quoted, was referring to this: As for the contradiction thing, I think he read Shin's post as serious and then clarified that he knows Shin always does silly stuff (as he probably expected people would comment on that) and that, rather, he was commenting on something else entirely. TL;DR I don't think Manix fully realized Shin's post was a jokepost lol So you made the point about 'your own interpretation behind Manix's post' up. Thanks for quote mining 'he's starting to come around', by the way. (full quote is "However he's starting to come around if what I'm being cut by is anything to go on". I was referring to this post just before mine, which is why I started to flip on elie. The vague and waffly part isn't at all vague and waffly, especially when I'm saying that Elieson asked Manix a loaded question and that his case is weak and part of it is vague enough to act as a smear. The last part is specifically referring to the He voted for Shin, despite giving a fine reason to not vote for Shinpart of Elie's #45. So, no, I didn't give a summary. Ok, moving on. I wanted to get discussion along and move out of RVS so I discussed with him. I don't have anything more to say about the Manix case.This is really weird because if you discussed it with him one would think you would've responded directly to the questions manix posted, like seems a bit early to be noting that they're safe lynches, particularly considering 1) we're barely out of rvs and 2) shin has two votes, elie has zero. why is this point relevant? @bold: that's also a problem of the playerbase, call it out all you want but if people don't do anything about it then :shrug: ok supper will try to get back before lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Votals 1.9 j00 (5) - Refa, Via, Snike, Haze, EliesonElieson (4) - j00, Iris, Dormio, Manix Shin (2) - Blitz, KaozDormio (1) - ShinNot Voting (1): PaperbladeYou have 1 hour and 32 minutes left in the phase. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'm honestly not sure about Elie anymore, I'm also vanilla. I don't like how he's basically tunneling Manix at this point, but I honestly think Refa and Snike are worse now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Both Iris and Shin are kinda flying under the radar, even moreso than Paperblade who just very obviously aren't doing much. At least Paper has said some new points, I feel like Iris is being very sheepy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 How much time is left? Elieson claimed vanilla huh##UnvoteI don't think the guy that claimed things such as 0-shot codriver and Weak Watcher Survivor would claim vanilla here unless vanilla itself was specifically the gambit. Also I still believe scum tend to not claim vanilla d1 in general@the people asking I had my vote parked on Elieson since lazy + unsure yeah boiii Pretty much this. However I read more I feel like this j00 lynch being pushed because of the above Manix/Elieson thing which I really don't think is a valid reason for a d1 wagon Reasons I'm voting j00 (can't speak for everyone else here): -Yes, the Manix/Elieson thing. -Later on she held on to her Elieson read without adequately updating the read (despite having a better read on Snike). -Man, just read my reply to her here Regardless, not sure if she'd claim vanilla as scum uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (especially since I can't see there being more than 3 scum in this game, and having a mafia goon among them would be cruel). Rethinking things. ##Unvote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I don't know, I don't feel comfortable voting either of the current wagons. ##Vote: Dormio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 "I'll be here for deadline" ~ Everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Reading and going to comment on Snike's cut post but man, imagine the salt Prims will produce if we fail to produce a deadline lynch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Votals 1.10 Elieson (4) - j00, Iris, Dormio,, Manix j00 (4) - Via, Snike, Haze, Elieson Dormio (2) - Shin, Refa Shin (2) - Blitz, Kaoz Not Voting (1): Paperblade You have 1 hour and 16 minutes left in the phase. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Edited July 2, 2015 by Prims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 oh i didn't realize elieson claimed ~rethinking things~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'm here for deadline, I'm not sure what to make of both vanilla claims. I'd still prefer Dormio over j00 and Eli tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 j00, Snike, Via, Elieson, Paperblade that's enough people to lynch Dormio. I don't even feel bad because he also said he would be here at deadline and he's not. Brilliant. PEdit Replace one of them with Iris maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Btw, what is your opinion on Snike, Refa? You said I had some good points against him, but you haven't actually brought him up as a scumread. Snike's post was just some further comments on me, what I don't like about it is how he's directly addressing my points against him and being defensive without trying to convince others that I'm a good wagon. He's not in danger of getting lynched, I am. If you want an answer regarding safe lynches, the point was that Elie and Shin's posts were null RVS posts, and attacking them felt like an easy target because it's not unusual that they get lynched after a weird D1. Compare to people like Prims and Via who rarely get lynched D1, scum trying to move out of RVS is likely to attract too much attention and resistance if you vote players like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I feel like it's weird that both targets are claiming vanilla? I dunno but I feel like that's almost too convenient to lynch between. I have secondary lynch target on Dormio (obviously) but if it's between vanillas I am not 100% sure I wouldn't just want to stick to j00/elieson as the options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I was townreading him mostly because I agreed with his case on you (him being one of the earlier people to case you) since I was SO SURE that you would be scum. I'll have to reevaluate him now but honestly I don't have the time to do so now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The problem with a Dormio lynch is the limited interaction, even if I'm honestly more inclined to think Elie is town and Dormio ? at this point. He certainly hasn't been very helpful though, so I can consolidate if that's what people feel for. Though honestly what are people's opinions on Snike, he also has less interaction but I feel worse about him than Dormio. ##Unvote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Btw, what is your opinion on Snike, Refa? You said I had some good points against him, but you haven't actually brought him up as a scumread. Snike's post was just some further comments on me, what I don't like about it is how he's directly addressing my points against him and being defensive without trying to convince others that I'm a good wagon. He's not in danger of getting lynched, I am. If you want an answer regarding safe lynches, the point was that Elie and Shin's posts were null RVS posts, and attacking them felt like an easy target because it's not unusual that they get lynched after a weird D1. Compare to people like Prims and Via who rarely get lynched D1, scum trying to move out of RVS is likely to attract too much attention and resistance if you vote players like that. If you're talking about the 'cut post' that was addressing your criticism of my elie case. This constitutes a discussion. The point behind my comments being you're making points up and quote mining me. Making points up and quote mining people tends to unfairly incriminate people, which is not townie behaviour. Yeah scratch my previous post all aboard the j00 train choo choo. If it's a tunnel I'll know when I get knocked off by the overpass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 and by my saying that, I'm showing to the populace in general that you're not exactly behaving as a townie, in case that isn't clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Actually yeah the Dormio wagon definitely feels like an easy lynch. Snike, do you have problems with Refa agreeing with my points on you? The last sentence feels mostly like an OMGUS to me, since I don't gain anything from attacking you at this point, I'd be better off hard suggesting Elie and Dormio are good wagons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Dormio hasn't had a lot of interactions himself but other people have and a scum flip from him would help me to read them better (mostly Shin honestly). Other people I probably need to reread are Haze, Iris, and Kaoz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Well a town flip on me would be pretty helpful too, I'd say. Especially concerning Haze and Kaoz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 oh, i'm dumb. didn't realize vanilla ice cream photo meant vanilla. i don't think there's any point reading into the fact that both claimed vanilla, snike?? wrt to paper & do i think j00 is scummy: well . a lot of my d1 reads rely a lot on gut/meta (which is obviously rly bad especially since i haven't played a game in so long), but i've also never played a game with her. honestly it's a null read. i also don't really get the dormio lynch (refa pls explain). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Not to mention you and Snike ;/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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