SFMafia's Greatest Hits - Day 6

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

y did you ask me this when my last post in the thread was my opinions on J

cuz i hav no idea how any1 can continue to townread j

w/e tho. im ready to end this dayphase

[/b]##vote shinori[/b]

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

##vote shinori

[ZoesMad]

Making, a post but Shinori is at L-1 with me in play. Careful yall.

[ZoesMad]

oh yeah wrt Shinori I'm going to reread him but before I forget - I dislike that he went from "NO I'M TOWN AND WEAPONS IS SCUM" to "ok guys I actually am 3rd party but I'm not harmful I swear". I'm not entirely sure that SB would put a restriction on claiming ITP or a restriction that would even imply that you couldn't claim ITP. Regardless, if that was the case, why would he vote Weapons for lying? The more legit thing to do while waiting to check whether or not he could claim ITP (something that shouldn't have taken nearly 48 hours) would have been to say something about how there must have been a mistake, not try to lynch Weapons. Even if Shinori is harmless ITP as he claims, that way of handling things was pretty anti-town.

@prims- are you sure you haven't given more excuses? SHRUG I'm allowed to have half-baked opinions right after subbing in.

Really crucial point supporting a Shinori lynch today. Liking what BBM has done so far, his reads have good clarity. I can also see where you see J/Yolo ties in how J kept his vote on Yolo for most of D1 (where he had more to vote Clipse) yet didn't pressure him as hard D2 going for Hannah instead. One thing tho. How da fuck did Gilgamesh townslip? He messed up his claim on what a Voyeur should be, and has been super survival oriented.

Will wait for your Hannah and J rereads to see if ya get anything.

I can see what Eury means by Shinori not wanting to claim his flavor/role as a 3rd party. Via got annihilated as soon as they tried to townside as ITP in Thousand Names for example. I still would want to lynch Shinori, but it isn't because he's not claiming to us, more so

what BBM and I think Eclipse said about his reactions/turnaround to Weapons.

I also think she was right in seeing that Prims wants Gilgamesh vigged over Weapons could mean something provided a mafia!weapons flip. Gilgamesh is more than likely the lynch candidate tomorrow if not today (which will most likely be Shinori). The thing that pings me about this is now that Prims believes Weapon's claim and sees Shinori as guilty 3rd party, he dropped all possible notions that Weapons could be scum. Like, Weapons still can be scum now that you believe him.

I'll be back in the morning, night all.

[Shinori]

##Vote: Shinori

Assuming he is a hammerer thats lynch?

ALSO FUCK THIS GAME.

[Prims]

The thing that pings me about this is now that Prims believes Weapon's claim and sees Shinori as guilty 3rd party, he dropped all possible notions that Weapons could be scum. Like, Weapons still can be scum now that you believe him.

^ confirmed to be reading the game less than i am ^

[Refa]

Not playing

Happy birthday, Shinori. =(

Not playing

[Donald Trump]

>weapons scanned shin... i guess out of sheer luck?... and he came up itp

>gilgamesh, clearly having been mad rogue all game, notices that as the key topic and does a little looking about for some deets

>gilgamesh accidentally botches a claim that would be used to verify weapons' action in order to be seen as backing a townie

so im getting town!weapons itp!shin and scum!gilgamesh. it really comes down to occams razor here, thinking that gilgamesh tried cashing in on his scummates' itp find is hogwash, and being town and botching your own role as some sort of a buffed tracker with a fucking voyeur is beyond me.

[Donald Trump]

ebwop

there should be a line on top of all that that reads something along the lines of "so this is how i think everything transpired." oh also the comma after "occams razor here" should be a period, cuz comma splices suck.

[BBM]

no rules about not talking after hammer so time to keep talking I guess?

still need Gilgamesh to answer my question

I'm conflicted about J. His ISO isn't that egregious except for his random Gaius OMGUS, but I kind of just feel he's scum? I don't like how he treated Eclipse on D2. He backed off her since her being scum was based on Dan being scum, and Dan flipped town. But then, why still continue talking about how Eclipse is fading into the background? It kind of just gives me the feeling that he's waiting to jump back on. His entire treatment of Weapons/Shinori is baffling. Why would Weapons lie about being an ITP checker? Why does Shinori blowing up in thread make him town? But I'm also unsure of why he would take that stance as scum. I feel like scum would just be cool with Shinori getting lynched, especially if they thought Weapons was just BSing. Also he was like "glad people realize that I don't like D1!" and then D2 came around and he kind of just spammed for a while.

woke up kind of late so you'll all have to wait until next day phase for Hannah I guess.

[SB.]

(5) Shinori: Weapons, Prims, BBM, Omega, Shinori
(3) Bluedoom: Elieson, Gorf, King Gilgamesh
(1) King Gilgamesh: eclipse
(1) Hannah: J
(1) J: Lord Gaius
(2) Not Voting: Bluedoom, Hannah

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Shinori's birthday ends in 9 hours and 4 minutes.

[ZoesMad]

Wow sorry Shinori I miss counted. We need someone else. So uh, so we want these last 9

Hours? I unfortunately can't hammer by myself.

[Elieson]

Woah i thought that was hammer

I'm still confused as to why Gilgamesh and Weapons would be a scumteam. It seems really weird for them to tie each other to a Lynch that already had a 50/50 of happening today versus probably tomorrow. The roleclaim is weird and the general behavior is questionable, but the results nonetheless just don't make sense to me

Maybe the pressure just got to him?

Regardless I'm still feeling something in Hannah and Omega, and if Gilgamesh doesn't turn out to be scum then I'd first examine the wagon on Gilgamesh today as it's easy for scum to hide in.

Still leaning scum on Marth but since today's Lynch is on Shinori I don't think throwing my vote around is gonna accomplish much with a handful of hours left in phase.

Shinori do you at least have anything to share with the game?

[Elieson]

Oh derp its 7 to hammer and 9 hours left for we reason I read that as 9 to hammer and 7. Hours left

[Donald Trump]

ill be around for the next few hours but not AT deadline. ill let the possibility of conversation thrive for a bit and if someone else is down to take the position of hammer i wont hammer in about 3-4 hrs.

[Elieson]

Regardless I'm still feeling something in Hannah and Omega, and if Gilgamesh doesn't turn out to be scum then I'd first examine the wagon on Gilgamesh today as it's easy for scum to hide in.

god I meant Shinori

I haven't mobile mafia'd in far too long

[Elieson]

Also there's just under 7 hours left in phase. I'll be here until the end of it so if anyone else wants to talk i'll be available

[Donald Trump]

i still seriously want hannah to look at my case on zero (during the Night) and type up a response ready to be the first thing you post toMorrow. i have a town read on you, but the fact that youre playing and dont understand the direction youre supposed to take with scumhunting is concerning. not to mention the fact that youre still an on the fence/scum read to many players alive. after all, i could be wrong and you COULD be using that as a means to not fully commit to making reads and strong ties to players.

things i expect to see:

-how my case effects your perception of zero (including quoted highlights as to why what effects your perception)

-how my case effects your perception of me (including quoted highlights as to why what effects your perception)

-things you may not understand (like "how did african draw this conclusion from that?")

-a reason why you are/arent convinced by the case

-things that can make me laugh

things i expect NOT to see:

-vagueness

-fencesitting

-any sort of reaction to anything else before this (that means this is your homework toNight. type it up on a separate document, back it up consistently, and simply paste it when you get in the thread).

i want you to comment on my case not JUST cuz i want more people to talk about my case on zero, but because its objectively the clearest form of scumhunting there is in the game, and if youre town, itll shed light as to what it is a townie should be looking for in scum in forum mafia and how to draw logical conclusions. there is nothing cryptic in that case.

people will use your response to read you, and it will be the best way to read you because, at least in my opinion, observing how newbtown draws conclusions is the easiest way to read them. reading newbs could be really difficult (just look at poor dan). make it less difficult and make yourself less of a liability in endgame if youre town.

if you fail to do this i will stop throwing you bones and watch your lynch happen. i will not blame those who misread you if you flip town and you didnt do this. i will remain apathetic toward you wagon. just... if youre town, this is your moral obligation to your respective townies.

[eclipse]

Mafia ITP Checker sounds really weak too, in a game where everybody has some kind of role

If you're going to play devil's advocate, then Weapons could be omitting other portions of his role. ;/

This kinda shows that Follower makes more sense than a Voyeur claim. Yea something isn't adding up

Two things:

1. My role PM says what my role is.

2. It's possible that SB meant one role and wrote another (guess which idiot host who intentionally didn't send one of her players a role PM also did this?).

. . .but then I realized that it's possible he was given Voyeur as a fake, and that theory makes the most sense in my mind.

oh yeah wrt Shinori I'm going to reread him but before I forget - I dislike that he went from "NO I'M TOWN AND WEAPONS IS SCUM" to "ok guys I actually am 3rd party but I'm not harmful I swear". I'm not entirely sure that SB would put a restriction on claiming ITP or a restriction that would even imply that you couldn't claim ITP. Regardless, if that was the case, why would he vote Weapons for lying? The more legit thing to do while waiting to check whether or not he could claim ITP (something that shouldn't have taken nearly 48 hours) would have been to say something about how there must have been a mistake, not try to lynch Weapons. Even if Shinori is harmless ITP as he claims, that way of handling things was pretty anti-town.

The only thing I disagree with is the possibility of SB placing a restriction on his claim. If he's something like 'vivor, he'd be able to claim straight-up and do nothing for the entire game.

really we should lynch shinori then vig gilgamesh tonight. letting caught ITPs live never works out

I'd rather have it the other way 'round, because Gilgamesh will provide better associative reads on lynch than Shinori, and it'll also bypass the "well Weapons might be a lyncher" fears.

but other people have done this shit too I think, I've really only skimmed the last few pages. BASICALLY everybody should explain their thoughts on Weapons/Shinori and tell me why they're not lynching Shinori at this point. seriously if Shinori flips town then that's literally two caught scum in Weapons/Gilgamesh. does anybody seriously not think he's ITP?

Just answered that above.

BBM: I think I figured out what happened, so thanks. Also, I made that point about Shin(ori), and no one listened.

I'm used to people calling me shin though everywhere else. IF THEY WANNA CALL ME SHIN THEY CAN.

BRB abusing mod powers and changing your screen name to Buttnori

Gilgamesh, what is your flavour? What player and what mafia game is identified in your role PM? (Nobody else attempt to answer this)

Lying about his role is possible if he has a super-scummy role (mafia jack that has various types of kills to his name), and Voyeur is a safeclaim.

I have a reason to hint at who I am: READ THE OPENING FLAVOR ON D1. Because there's exactly two people who would've done that, and my flavor is the one who's done that multiple times.

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There's three hours left in this phase, and I need to leave soon. Lemme deal with the rest of the forums, but I don't have enough faith in the rest of the game to leave Shinori at L-1 (technically speaking).

I really want Gilgamesh lynched today, but it looks like that won't happen. If Gilgamesh is alive tomorrow, and I'm not, lynch him (especially if I have no role PM on-flip).

[eclipse]

Oh, right. . .

Prims, BBM, J, Elieson, Hannah

. . .wait, how'd that happen?

Anyway, since EVERYONE DITCHED ME. . .

##Unvote

##Vote: Shinori

Here's my Vote of No Confidence That Anyone Else Would Hammer. Because I'd rather cut the phase a little short than NL.

[SB.]

(7) Shinori: Weapons, Prims, BBM, Omega, Shinori, eclipse, Lord Gaius
(3) Bluedoom: Elieson, Gorf, King Gilgamesh
(1) Hannah: J
(2) Not Voting: Bluedoom, Hannah

You all ate Shinori's birthday cake and then killed him. Jerks.

Hello, Shinori.

Also I idled my kill thrice...apparently (as I figured) I samekiled kirsche when mafias did. I was blocked twice so >_<

You are Elieson the Idling Serial Killer, the Wolf. Legends speak of a Serial Killer who was hooked on Night 1 and then proceeded to shit his pants and idle for 3 nights (and then crosskilled with the mafia as soon as he started killing again).

During the night, you may reply to your role pm with "Night X - Killing USER". You will go to USER's house and try to kill them, but will back out at the last minute and fail to actually kill them. This will at least spook USER enough to prevent them from performing their night action.

During even nights, you may also reply to your role pm with "Night X - Actually killing USER". You will pluck up your courage and make an attempt on USER's life, which might even actually work this time.

In addition, because you are so afraid of being discovered, you will be incredibly cautious and will be able to avoid appearing on any kind of night report, such as trackers, watchers, voyeurs etc.

Also, your paranoia has led you to wear a Bulletproof Vest at all times that will protect you from one attempt on your life outside of your lynch. If your even night kill fails, you will freak out even more and run to retreive another one. You can wear multiple Vests at once if you try hard enough.

Finally, because your idling kills make games last for literally years, you the hosts will make sure to wish you a happy birthday at the start of each day phase and after every votecount. You also know that Happy Birthday JB!, Town Birthday Boy (he's eight today, did you know that?) is not in the game.

You stand alone. You win when all other players are eliminated from the game, or nothing can prevent the same from happening.

Ok nvm Shinori isn't 8 years old.

It is now Night 2. Night 2 ends in 23 hours and 54 minutes.

Still need a sub for Weapons.

[Donald Trump]

i see how it is eclipse

[SB.]

Snike subs in for Weapons.

[Donald Trump]

oh thank GOD i decided not to fight against lynching shinori

cuz if i did, this wouldnt have worked...

[Donald Trump]

kill gilgamesh