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hey op are you gonna use tobin

honey there's proof out there if you really need to see it

Let's pull this back around - while I do like a zesty debate about the more general concepts behind literature interpretation, this has been over a page now so let's try to get back to the thread's topic. If people want to continue a more generalize literature debate, definitely feel free to make another thread to reignite the conversation, but I think we've gotten a bit out of this thread's reasonable zone

the faces at the end really made me laugh. that was unexpected this is such a fun idea for a project, though - keep it up!

I agree if you had just asked for an explanation and they had responded "it's just my opinion." In that situation, I would've been like "well, that doesn't help the discussion at all" but that isn't exactly what happened. If someone says I'm wrong and also tells me in the same breath that I'm bad at arguing at the beginning of an interaction, I'm more likely to address the attack against my knowledge of argumentative rhetoric than entertain the call for evidence. One is a lot more insulting to me, which distracts from the discussion at hand. You feel?

@Ottservia There is merit in asking for someone to provide some evidence because you're interested in hearing their opinion more in depth but it's not as productive to just tell them they're bad at arguing as a whole because they didn't expand enough yet. That is not productive. That went from 0 to 10 too fast You could stop at just "what other supports are like Kellam's, do you think?" and let them provide more in-depth detailing about their opinion, not making it into a critique about their argumentative methods. That lets you address that you don't think it's enough information and you want more without making it weird, man Remember a good, productive discussion doesn't necessarily mean everyone tosses out an air-tight argument with bibliography off the bat. Sometimes you gotta prompt each other and that's okay

We never had our shit, we barely even exist in the right dimension so shit's bound to be weird

absolute fucking power abuse. what the fuck are you doing here, banned boy? huh? circumventing justice?

I'm not a fan, really. It takes me out of my zone immersing myself in the story when there's this black void of dialogue where people are responding to stuff that wasn't actually said, especially if the writing is such that the characters the silent protag talks to have to use their one-sided dialogue to clunkily signal what the silent protag was saying, doing, or emoting

No one can stop you from holding your opinions, but we cannot abide by people tossing about rhetoric that may make members of our forum feel uncomfortable existing here. If you are unhappy with this being an inclusive space to people of different identities, this might not be the forum for you. Even if you do not think it's "real", you will have to at least respect that others will be expressing non-binary identities and we will be accepting of them and expecting others to not make them feel unwelcome. Anyone who is dismissive with the sole crutch of "it's simple science" or other such non-specific rationales often has a shallow grasp of complex topics. Even the scientific topic is not actually "simple." I encourage you to not present yourself as of those people.

I made it quite clear that anything further should be in DM, thank you. I will not respond to this topic in this thread. Anything further on this topic put here specifically will unfortunately have to be a warning.

I certainly have been going through the thread as it was reported as my time permits - if you are referring to the previous thread. I am not sure what mod behavior you were seeing that was so pervasive, as the mods were not active in that thread not were the mods throwing insults in that thread. If you mean this thread, there is nothing in this thread that has proven anybody wrong, so that is likely not anyone's motivation, nor has there been a recognizably conscious or successful attempt at derail barring this conversation about it. Yes, the posts are up, and that does not negate what I said. I recognize you are frustrated, but I am not sure what you expect. I will not provide evidence of what action was taken against any other user. If the only evidence you accept is whether or not you can visibly see that a post was hidden, you will of course never think anyone's ever done anything, because we don't always do that. If you want to talk through further onus with this or the previous thread, please DM me or another staff member so we don't derail this thread's attempt at productive discussion from here on out. I will always hear out concerns. This goes for everyone else, too. Any further talk of this specific topic should be directed to DM with a mod if it is an issue. If it is in this thread specifically, it will be treated as a derail from now.

There is an issue I'm seeing right now that you seemed to be locked in your interpretation of genius and you're not engaging with people who think otherwise. If you think that people are just babies who are throwing tantrums as they lose an argument, why would you make another thread about it? Discussion of theme could be fun, but it's not fun if nay-sayers are considered just 'babies.' This thread has been fine so far. The last one was not, and the mods had not been engaged in that one until they were summoned by users who were complaining about user behavior. If you are taking issue to moderation, please contact others on the staff in DM if you wish to discuss it. There is no purpose in saying things like "none of the reports will go through," as you have no way of knowing how we handle reports against other people.

There are no wrong choices in casual playing. Don't sweat that. Other smarter people can guide you on class and bow, but for real, you can marry anyone to anyone and it'll be fine