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To clarify, I was waffling on 3rdCorinthian, but still thought he could be scum before his recent reaction.

@3rdCorinthian: Dude no don't replace out. Sorry four putting you through unecessary pain. I don't think you're scum anymore and I was waffling on you when I voted you this phase since my logic didn't seem that strong when I posted about it, but still wanted to see where this push lead. I apologize. ##Unvote ##Vote: Baldrick @SB: I did, but wanted to keep it a secret because you weren't claiming it. That's why I said that no matter what we shouldn't hammer early. And we still shouldn't. 3rdCorinthian protects SB N2, and I need Gilgamesh to be ok with using his role the way I'll ask him to before further talking about stuff. @Gilgamesh: Are you ok with it?

I know this is probably not happening but better safe than sorry. Regardless of what happens, do not hammer anyone early. This is always very important, but it's even more important now. Thank you.

Sssssssssssssh SB, you have no idea of why I asked about that.

Oh yeah, and Baldrick. As I mentioned before in my "wary of" reads, I think he's been too neutral and uninvolved in the game. His most recent post gives me a stronger feeling with regards to this, on gut. If I were to explain it, it just looks like he posted because he needed to make a post, and it didn't seem like he really cared about what was going on. I guess I agree with SB on this. Going from his ISO, the time at which he voted Blitz looks unnatural, since he was around before that and he could have voted him for the same reasons (sheeping Zerosabers and I) before, or at least commented on it, and he didn't. I think these are all of this slot's thoughts for now. Also actually, thinking about it, I want to make sure that Gilgamesh is scum or else not lynch him, because if he's town his role could provide useful.

I think Gilgamesh is probably scum as well on role usage, I could see him trying to redirect Prims to someone else as scum but just not to Crysta. Why? Because he didn't even mention her before his claim. If he found her scummy enough to try to get her "vigged", and failed, he'd definitely have said something about her, even if it was just mentioning he had a gut feeling. This is probably where our vote is going to be at deadline. Either way, Koneko still needs to give her thoughts on the matter.

@Mod: I've looked at the first post, and it says Kirsche died N2 there, instead of N1. Is that information accurate? --- I agree with Eclipse about Blitz trying to paint Shyguy as scummy with his questions, and that making him more likely to be town (I pointed that out to Koneko during the night). However, Koneko found him weird. I think she wasn't super convinced about it but I should at least bring it up. Koneko read Zerosaber's ISO in Greatest Hits, where she was town, and compared it to her play here. She brought up a good point with regards to her content. In her own words, there's more meaningful contribution in Greatest Hits, even if there are fewer posts. Koneko thinks that in spite of the abundance of posts, Zerosabers hasn't said much this game. I'm inclined to agree with this, since some of her posts looked like filler to me. On the other hand, we both are still scumreading 3rdCorinthian. I think I mentioned that Koneko had a gut feeling about him already. However, we talked more about that and she does not like the fact that he seems to be apologizing all the time and posting nonconclusive thoughts about a lot of players instead of definite thoughts. In other words, he seems to be focusing on stuff other than getting good reads, which is bothering us. After Blitz's flip I think 3rdCorinthian is scummier. When you go through his ISO he never ever mentions his read on Blitz and you can't even infer how his thoughts on him changed, which looks like avoiding the point and going along with whatever people were doing just for the sake of agreeing with them. The fact that he admitted to sheeping when I asked him about it doesn't make it any better, because he outright didn't ever mention what he agreed on. When you're sheeping, you still have thoughts on what you found telling, even if you didn't come up with them. However, all of 3rdCorinthian's thoughts on Blitz are "Players are casing him, they must be right" which again, looks like going along with whatever is happening. In this post, 3rdCorinthian analyzes player's interactions with Blitz before he flips, assuming Blitz was going to flip scum. I don't think someone who has just been voting Blitz because other people "must be right" would be so convinced that he'd flip scum, when even I was doubting about it. To me, that looks like he knew that Blitz was going to flip scum and he was getting ready to accuse Zerosabers on the light of Blitz's flip. People have commented on how 3rdCorinthian wouldn't have written this Eury cases analysis as scum but I think it's scummy to try to get reads on people in a wagon instead of trying to get a read on the person who's being wagoned and is a lynch candidate. I know he concludes that Eury is town (in his next post) but that's a very minor point, so I don't think he was trying to get a read on her based on the cases. I think that 3rdCorinthian and Zerosabers are not likely to be scum together, since I don't think 3rdCorinthian would outright bus a scumbuddy just when he was about to lose another one. Koneko thinks Zerosabers is more likely to be scum, I think 3rdCorinthian is.

@Gilgamesh: Why did you redirect him to Crysta instead of to 3rdCorinthian if you were expecting to possibly redirect the nightkill?

##Vote: The3rdCorinthian Changing voting and posting strategy for now. This post is just to comment on newer stuff, next post will be about what Koneko and I discussed during the nightphase. What do you think about Crysta's response to my Eury "defense"? This assumes scum knew about Kirsche's role. How do you think they could have gotten that information? I was, I just didn't vote because I wanted Koneko to vote. I think it's most likely that one of Gilgamesh and BBM is scum but I have no idea on who. Both of their posts seemed ok to me. This is where I'd like to lynch today though, provided things become more clear, because I want to lynch whoever is the redirector as soon as possible. BBM and Gilgamesh should probably claim their actions and why they decided to use them on Prims.

@Izhuark: Town or scum: Blitz, Eury, any other read you have

Actually, I'm ok with that answer.

I guess I misinterpreted you talking about unvoting Blitz for switching wagons. Why did you talk about unvoting Blitz then?

Wait, why are you talking about voting Eury? Weren't you townreading Eury? I don't like that reply because it avoids my question of how that would factor in his Blitz read and instead goes to talk about switching wagons. To be honest the whole change of reads in Blitz (and Eury) through the whole game looks weird to me, which is why I was aksing about it in the first place. To be more precise, it feels as if 3rdCorinthian's just caring about being in the right wagon, instead of being in the wagon that lynches scum. I'll think about this more in case I'm just biased towards preserving my reads but I should at least bring it up.

But, as I stated before, Blitz has not only been away from the game, but elsewhere (Skype) as well. That doesn't make him any more likely to flip either alignment. Having that in mind, what are your thoughts on him?

to scumread him*, GOD I hate not being able to edit posts. Editing posts should be allowed in the first couple of minutes after posting so that people could fix typos and such.

@3rdCorinthian: Why did you analyze the votes on Eury? What is exactly your instance on Blitz, when did you begin to scumreading him and why?

My conviction hasn't changed. More than having a lot of conviction on Blitz being scum, I have a lot of conviction that doing what I'm doing is what I should be doing. I'm pretty convinced that Blitz is scum though. Also what I replied to Prims.

actually, @Prims: do you think playing League may be accountable for SB's bad play? Serious question. I noticed that SB was too passive earlier in the game but I thought it was null since it could just be that. Not trying to devalue your read, I'd just like to see someone else's thoughts on the matter. It's hard to come up with proper wording.

Probably. Just bring that up postgame, or later in this game. No idea on Zerosabers. I'm just idling my thoughts on her for now.

Because it's almost phase end. I commented on this before. I don't know what to say about you thinking my attitude is fake because it isn't, it's just uncommon for me from your point of view.

Why are you so mad, Prims? Wagons were 6/5, and I could see people switching to Eury just because Bltiz is not here, like Zerosabers did. I want Blitz to be lynched, so I argued against cases on him. I guess I should have talked about all of the scumreads but that would have been effort, so I went for the people who were actually voting Eury. Now that I think about it that may not have been the best idea. Not getting out of RVS =/= not posting. I can't comment on the full extent of this read and if you think twice about it you'll realize why. For now though, let's say that my wording wasn't precise. Because you'd eventually do it, so why bother with the effort. This is more of a personal thing, I know it's not good play. I could elaborate on it though, if you feel like my answer is not enough. I was just trying to come up with a question that could mirror the one you asked me, since I was beginning to lean town on you and I wanted you to realize that your question was dumb. Didn't work as expected, but it gave me a more accurate read on you. And it also made you more involved in the game. I'm not sure about what you mean. Blitz > 3rdCorinthian because that's how I feel about my cases and I'd rather lynch a scummy inactive than a scummy active player. That's what you think, but not what I think.

Do I have to reply about why you're wrong about me or do you already know that you are and I can just ignore it? Either way those posts are better. See? You didn't need to waste your time on dumb responses and could just have posted reads instead!

I recommend not to rolespec unless you're very sure that what you're doing will be useful. Koneko.

When I roll scum and see the chance to have an original case I jump at it immediately, because it looks good. It is productive to get out of RVS indeed, but I don't think not doing something to get out of RVS is a scumtell. I get what you mean and I would if I had to, but when you don't have conviction about a read and it's not deadline voting there seems a matter of how impulsive someone is to me.

Actually I have time, because it's a holiday in Barcelona. Why the Eury cases suck, pt 2: Featuring Gaius, who sucks Lord Gaius: - Eury didn't give a precise enough explanation on why she thought the wagon on us was bad/scummy She gave a proper explanation on why it was bad. She didn't say that people were scummy because of voting us. Either way, you can get the feeling that a wagon is not good even if you're not townreading the person the wagon has formed on, and not scumreading anyone in the wagon. Ironically, that's my instance on the Eury wagon now. - Eury's post is super empty That's just Eury's playerstyle, and it's not even as bad as what she used to do before. If you're referring to something specific that is different from her usual meta point it out, but I'm not seeing anything myself. It's not just about being passive, it's how your tone is super plain and I don't see any particular feelings towards any of the facts you state. When people post, I can see their feelings towards their reads and towards the other players, conviction, fear, anger, motivation... yet your posts were just devoid of emotion, and there's a mismatch between your words and emotions. That makes them seem scummy in my eyes, since I believe that you just lack those because you're faking what you write. I still need to think about your more recent posts.