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WHY DID YOU LEAVE US

via gaius eury

when did you get into speedrunning? I didn't realize this was something you were so in to inb4 you've been doing it all along

tbh if she could believably pass off as a 33-year old looks-wise I respect it

any crazy dates you've gone on since the last time you were in the Well and I asked you this question?

Via Elie Gaius

Yeah I agree I shouldn't have made the comment and I didn't after that to others when I realized it had caused Via to change his pick. @via- idrt there was a problem with your play other than that you couldn't keep up with the activity cuz of irl stuff. but if you feel that you play better with certain roles then take those roles I guess. @kirsche- that's fair I guess but it wouldn't have worked if Beast hadn't been venge-killed.

1) I know you don't believe me but I honestly didn't mean to influence you in any way by saying "I thought you would pick Amnesiac". I didn't say it because I didn't like that you picked Insomniac; I said it because I know you like Amnesiac and was expecting you to take it. I would have said the same thing if you'd picked Networker or Hooker or Follower. I know that it did influence you into switching your pick and I'm sorry that it ended up in you being a Vanilla. 2) I'm not saying you should 100% serious business but there's a balance between that and taking a role that isn't very good just because you don't want to be a Vanilla. shrug. 3) The comment wasn't aimed just at you; it was also aimed at Refa, Gaius, and to a lesser extent Bartozio.

But you're only clearing them if they're the last scum left. If that's not the case then you're probably just targeting a townie and potentially messing up their role.

nah I was referring to the Hijacker targets. Mello also fell into the category of "townreads you were paranoid about" like Nagito and The Batter. I think generally speaking while using your role the way you did increases the odds of breaking the game open with a scum -> scum hijack; the odds of that are so low to begin with that you also increase the chances of just doing nothing until there's only scum alive, which is basically what happened here. idk it's preference and heavily dependent on context I guess. In a vanilla-heavy game like this maybe that was the right thing to do, but you didn't necessarily know how many active roles the mafia had. I think on average just targeting scummy people is usually better than going for the big play.

SO when I went to post apparently instead of posting it took a screenshot of part of my post instead. I spent 2 hours writing stuff and I'm not going to write it again so this is all you guys get, sucks. The more experienced players know mostly what they did well and badly anyways.

anyways sorry for being BUSY but I'll give my general thoughts about the game in this post and then do a player breakdown in the next one mod qt: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/qbx9endmHfM mafia qt: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8tKepBqWnJVT graveyard qt: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/jCi8cQFWAbZgd spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ySKZ-wN6fgUBmibWl_D_DGlZJASp5OZt-S-7b89NqmI/edit#gid=0 So firstly, town got super lucky because the mafia picked at spots 7, 8, and 11, and the SK picked at spot 12. I originally tried re-rolling alignments, but based on where people were drafting, it was too difficult to find a scumteam/SK combo that were both spread out through the draft and reasonably balanced in terms of experience, to the point that achieving both things basically required hand-picking those people. I didn't want to do that because most people prefer town to mafia, so in the end I just went with the first scumteam/SK combo. I thought the scumteam had a good mix of experience and talent at playing scum, and Paperblade's been SK a lot of times so I knew he would be good. Also, given that I expected kills to rack up quickly at least in the first few night phases with two anti-town factions, I thought it would be better to err on the side of having scum who had weaker roles but were better with regards to in-thread play as opposed to the opposite, given that I thought town might otherwise die really quickly. Of course, I didn't expect the double crosskill on N1, which really threw the entire balance out of whack and put scum in a really tough situation where they had weak roles, were down a person earlier than normal, and didn't have a third party helping them thin out the crowd. Based on all those town advantages, I can't really say that town deserved to win, or even that they played okay but got outplayed by scum like Prims suggested. I think the latter was true-ish until around D3, but the Endeavor lynch wasn't great and the Toshio lynch was obviously bad play, as covered by Paperblade in the graveyard. As a host it's frustrating that it helped the town to win the next day, when they might not have if they'd played properly (although they might have lynched Kokichi on D4 if Toshio had come back, who knows). Several townies also just kind of rolled over, and nobody other than The Batter made a good use of their role. With regards to the roles that were in the setup, there were a bunch of interactions I hadn't really thought of because I threw the game together so fast. Like for example, announcing *YLO would make the Vengeful's alignment kind of obvious, so I removed it, but then Mayor turning off in *YLO is basically announcing *YLO anyways. Vengeful not working in *YLO wouldn't really have worked either because its very presence causes *YLO to arrive earlier. Also, having all of Hijacker/Hooker/Follower, which all work to PoE scum down when there's only one of them left, was probably too much. Luckily, none of those things really ended up being a factor because Vengeful died before *YLO and town only picked one of those three roles. I talk about my thoughts wrt role selection and Amnesiac more specifically in the mod qt, so I'll just add- I think that players should pay more attention to balancing their desire to pick their favourite role with their responsibility to help their alignment by picking a role which is of a quality commensurate to their draft pick.

Well I can't do a full post but town won Toshio, Kokichi, or dead people can explain what happened

Another night passes... another person passes. Nagito Komaeda has died! He was the Town Amnesiac. It is now Day 5. With 4 players alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. Phase ends on January 19th at 3PM PST.

why walrein

well actually I have all actions in and a break until my next class so I'm ending phase in about 45 minutes at 3pm PST. You guys have until then to change actions if you want.

Actually I have class from like 8AM to 9:30 PM with only sporadic breaks in the middle so you're probably not going to get an early update

So you guys talked a bunch and decided to lynch Dr. Crowler Faye Valentine Endeavor Toshio Ozaki. He was the Town Hijacker. Oops... End of D4 Votals Toshio Ozaki (4): Kokichi Ouma, Nagito Komaeda, Lapis Lazuli Kokichi Ouma (1): Toshio Ozaki Not Voting (2): Mello, Omar Little Night 4 has begun. 24 hours to get actions in but I may do it earlier if actions are in early if I think it's a good phase time.

HAMMER SHUT UP

Votals 4.1 Toshio Ozaki (3): Omar Little, Kokichi Ouma (L-1!) Not Voting (4): Toshio Ozaki, Mello, Nagito Komaeda, Lapis Lazuli 72 hours left in the phase. 4 votes to hammer.

With his dying breaths, The Batter shot Beast. He was the Mafia 1x Strongman. Day 4 has started. With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to hammer. Phase ends in 72ish hours, on January 18th at 5:30 PST.

You wake up, but The Batter is lying in a pool of blood. He was the Town 1x Vengeful. Suddenly, he stirs, gasping weakly, and pulls out a gun... It is the Interlude. Nobody can post while waiting for The Batter to shoot.

zzz locking actions and sending out results

what do you like/dislike about NOC vs EiMM vs OC?

So you guys talked a bunch and decided to lynch Dr. Crowler Faye Valentine Endeavor. He was the Town Vanilla. Oops... End of D3 Votals Endeavor (5): Lapis Lazuli, Kokichi Ouma, Mello, Nagito Komaeda Lapis Lazuli (2): Endeavor, Beast Beast (1): The Batter Not Voting (2): Omar Little, Toshio Ozaki Night 3 has begun. 24.5 hours to get actions in.