EJ107
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If they were to add any options in a patch, Caspar would be my first pick. His supports are already gender-neutral and his paired ending with Linhardt has strong romantic subtext, so it's not like it would be coming out of nowhere.
That being said, I think the chances of that happening are near 0, and I have mixed feelings about character romances being opened up to different sexes post-release. The only real chance in my eyes is if they add new DLC characters in the future, or in the next main-series FE game, of course. But my hopes aren't particularly high for either of those at the moment either.
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I'd like to see:
- New classes
- New characters (I can see that a lot of the UI is designed with the possibility of more students being added to each house, and that would be cool)
- New maps that expand on the existing story
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20 hours ago, Lord of Riva said:
This isn't true btw, I definitely had Alois on Board on the full on BE route.
EDIT: Also it turned out that Alois, regardless of strange beard is a pretty good character. Well there is that, I am still not calling people things that end with phobic over that but yeah, even Linhardt turned out to be great, even though he still looks way too feminine for my tastes.
Alois is a good character, but he's not in any way LGBT so I don't understand why he is still being brought up in talks about LGBT representation in the game? He is a straight, married man with a daughter who can take Byleth under his wing as a father figure. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I think it's fine that they were light on the calling out. The quality and quantity of the female options is decent, and Linhardt is better written than Niles. So focusing the criticism on how progress is being made but it's very, very slow is the fairest approach for them IMO.
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15 hours ago, Ottservia said:
I somewhat disagree with this notion. Really the only thing I'd say 3H does better than awakening and fates is it's world building which was basically nonexistent in both of those titles. As far as actual writing quality is concerned though well....that's where things get tricky. Cause like I said the difference between what themes and ideas each story explores and how they go about exploring them are vastly different. so comparing their quality is a bit of moot point if you ask me. I will say 3H is better in how tightly packed the world is with the storytelling and how the events of the story aren't as hamfisted(?) as fates was at points. But other than that in regards to which is the better story that's a matter of subjective opinion if you ask me
I disagree that the world building is the only thing the game does better than Awakening and Fates. The character writing is so much better it's almost on a different level. To the point where I'd argue if the difference in writing quality is even subjective.
Compare Sothis or Flayn to Nowi, Dorothea to Camilla or Edelgarde to Xander. The improvement in the characterization and character interactions is massive.
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37 minutes ago, Book Bro said:
I hope the reason this hasn't been getting much attention is because most people haven't gotten to the S supports. I wonder if it'll blow up when people start S ranking and getting those lame endings. I don't expect IS or Nintendo to fix it with DLC which is a shame, and if the next game is a remake of FE4 as is most likely I don't expect them to address it there either. But I'd love to be proven wrong
I don't expect it either, but they have said that they plan on adding more characters via DLC, so another bi male is a possibility. Not one I expect, but It's important to get our voices heard that it's something we want to see.
As for the lack of attention, to be honest I don't think the platonic S support thing is that bad. Once its clear the S rank isn't romantic in the slightest you can just revert your save, after all. And I support more diverse S supports, I think that having every S support with every character end in marriage was a poor choice (though I'd rather platonic S supports were simply called A+). The real issue is that there is only a single token MLM relationship, and I've seen a fair amount of people expressing disappointment about that.
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1 hour ago, Zadok the priest said:
Skyrim is imo a good example for this freedom, NPCs there are either Dohvakiinsexual or not at all, regardless of the Dohvakiin's gender. I think they didn't even have to alternate the dialogues.
I played a great Skyrim mod "Interesting NPC's", that adds a bunch of Marriage options with more involved dialogue. What it did was make ~80% of the new marriage options bisexual, with the remaining 20% being split evenly between gay, lesbian and straight characters. It's by far the best way of doing things IMO
The "realism" argument is stupid from the get-go, because how is it realistic that literally every playable female character in the game wants to get in M!Byleths pants? People don't seem to care about "realism" when the unrealistic features are pandering to them. It's only when games are trying to appeal to a demographic they aren't a part of that it's suddenly a big issue.
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10 hours ago, Parrhesia said:
Are people seriously happier with 1M/1F than 1M/3F. Honest to God question, because that seems to be the implication some people are making.
I think it's actually 1M/4F or 1M/5F. Sothis' S support seems overtly romantic to me, and Rhea's seems pretty darn romantic too from what I've read. It gets even worse when you consider romantic pairings between other characters, as there are several explicitly romantic WLW endings, but no explicitly romantic MLM endings outside of Byleth.
Obviously the options in Three houses aren't objectively worse than those in Fates. Even ignoring the number difference, the characters are just better written. But the WLW situation is so much better that it makes the MLM look even worse by comparison. It's that inequality that's made people angry.
As is understandable. Take this analogy: you and your friend both buy a bag of sweets, you get 5 inside and they get 5. It's not much, but you both get the same for what you paid. Now imagine that you both buy a bag for the same price and you get 6, but they get 100. Objectively you have a better deal than last time, because you have more, but you feel worse than in the first case because now it also feels unfair.
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It's difficult to say how many LGBT people work there. It's quite possible that many do, but they simply don't have the go-ahead, ability or desire to expand upon the M/M supports.
I'm quite fortunate in the company I work in, since there's a large LGBT group there including some of the quest writers (one of whom happens to be my line manager!). I've mentioned that I'd like to write some LGBT characters in the future and they seem really cool with that, so I like to think that I'd be contributing in my own small way ☺️
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Well, I sent a tweet to Nintendo Europe as the Reddit Thread suggested. It's not much, but it is nice feeling like I've at least tried to get my feedback out there.
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A few thoughts, now that I'm several hours into the game:
Overall I am enjoying it, but the lack of MLM content remains, by far, my biggest gripe with the game. I am all for varying S supports (some romantic, some ambiguous, some platonic), but the unambiguously platonic S supports should really be marked differently because it is honestly confusing.
Overall Im very happy with the writing so far. All of the LGBT characters feel like fully fleshed out characters, not relying on stereotypes. The female options also don't feel like their sexuality is just for fanservice. But that also extends to the excellent writing and more subdued fanservice in the game as a whole. I like Linhardt more than I expected to as a character, though I still have no interest in him as an S support option for Byleth (I'm recruiting Ingrid and pairing my M!Byleth with her, because she's grown of me as a character and I love love love her voice).
I'm glad that theres a lot of explicitly romantic WLW endings, including several outside of Byleth, but the fact that despite this there is only one explicitly romantic MLM ending in the entire game is very, very poor. While Fates also only had one option i was expecting some form of progress, and the huge disparity between it and the many WLW options only make it look even worse by comparison. It really drags down an otherwise very good game.
If anyone has any ideas on how to express these shared frustrations in a way that might enact change, please let me know, because I want to make it clear that MLM content is something I want to see more of in future, and would be willing to pay for were it included in future DLC (depending on quality, of course).
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Well, Alois and Gilbert being platonic S supports makes a lot more sense. And I actually like the idea of platonic S supports. But having no indication they are platonic on the UI, and having more platonic M/M S supports than romantic ones? And only having one actual MLM relationship again? That is really, really bad.
Also, I'm not a fan of all the "gay coding". We had same sex marriages in Fates, we should have moved past ambiguous coding by now.
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25 minutes ago, Edrey said:
Well as others have stated before in this topic; there is a possibility that they are appealing to certain demography of individuals in japan; as they are fans of Yaoi; which basically portraits bishounens (good-looking, slender and most of the time either slightly masculine or androgynous young males), on the other side of the spectrum there is Bara, which doesn't limit nor very frequently focus on illustrating only young males with the features found on bishounens ; instead; more stocky builds, facial hair and wider age ranges are more common in this gender.
From my point of view, Alois and Gilbert could have been chosen to target the Bara community that exist in japan.
And, well, being bi doesn't mean that divorcing his wife(I didn't read the spoilers so I just assuming things base on what you are saying) has less sense compare if he were gay. I mean; yes; it would have the impact of accepting a part of him that he might have been denying for decades, but as a bi man his decision of separating is not necessarily related to his sexuality; after all; he must have had his reasons to do so and is unlikely that he will say something like he got tired of his wife because she was a woman and more sensible to assume that maybe they just weren't getting along and it was time to let things go at some point in his past... I'm trying to say that if someone decides to divorce; their sexuality being a focal point on that decision in this sort of case is something that we should try to avoid assuming so we don't hurt someone's feelings in the process.
Oh; and, if it turns out that Byleth is a homewrecker; I'm just going to eat my words with mayonnaise XD.Oh, I'm more than familiar with the Bara genre. I tend to prefer it to Yaoi myself, since it is more often aimed at gay and bisexual men men. And if that was the intention then I do at least appreciate that the developers tried to appeal to more than stereotypical Yaoi stuff.
But Bara is about having more muscular, bulky, hairy and generally more masculine characters. From what I know of the genre it isn't about massive age differences or men who have been married to women and have children. It is often characters in their 20's or 30's. Of the other characters in the game I'd say Raphael, Setheh and even Caspar all generally fit the Bara trope as well to some degree, and having at least one of them would have been much better than two middle age men with children.
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I've had time to mull it over and while I have somewhat accepted the state of affairs I'm still pretty bitter about it. Even though I find Alois cute design wise, the age gap between him and Byleth is just too much for it to be an option I'd consider going for.
More than anything, I'm just confused. How we went from Niles (who, for all his flaws, was a pretty great and popular) character to this is beyond me.
I just don't get it. They want to sell merchandise, characters on Fire Emblem Heroes and alts on Fire Emblem Heroes, right? So why choose three of the least appealing male characters to the audience at large to be bisexual? If it was because of discrimination they wouldn't go through the effort to make three relatively non-stereotypical and well developed bisexual male characters in the first place. And I find it hard to believe that it was just a case of them misjudging the fanbase because between Niles and the artist for the game being a woman who has drawn stereotypical hot BL before, they clearly know what appeals to that crowd.
If Gilbert was gay and it was a part of his character story and why he left Annette and Her mother, that would actually make sense and be pretty cool. But he's bi so...
Why? Why why why why why?
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3 hours ago, zuibangde said:
Heck, if they only said there are two options and it's Alois and Linhardt, I'd think people would be less upset. Right now people are disappointed at the imbalance between males and females AND the questionable choice(s) for mlm.
This is a really good point, and it's true for me, at least.
If we were told in reviews that there were 2 mlm options we would have guessed it was those 2, since they'd both been hinted or confirmed by Thanni, and I would have accepted that.
Being told that there was a third option got everyone's hopes up, and made everyone excited to find out who it was. And then it was revealed to be one of the oldest and least appealing characters in the cast for most people.
If it turns out that he's only an option for M!Byleth and that's part of his story I'll give him more of a pass. But they really should have gone for a second student.
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4 minutes ago, Cyan1456 said:
You know what? That's fair. There's a lot of the game we've yet to see and it'd be rash to be angry without seeing everything. I'm actually relieved Claude got debunked so quickly because it would've been much much MUCH worse if it persisted until the game's release and I would've been much more upset.
Now that my expectations are back to earth
having crashed into the deepest depths of the Marianna TrenchI can say, "eh". The most I can do is hope there are more options or that they do better next game.It's also possible that they'll add another option when they release the "new playable characters" DLC next year. But as usual, it's probably best not to get our hopes up.
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10 minutes ago, Moonlit Knight said:
I count myself disappointed, but not at all surprised. Honestly, if it weren't for that one article throwing the flirty lines from Claude around that got my hopes up, I wouldn't feel so down. [[And, hey, Claude counts himself a schemer. I guess we all fell for the trap.]] I'm just kinda tired of settling for baby steps.
I'm at least willing to give the options a chance. [[And, hey, let's watch it with talking about Linhardt. Sure, he has long hair, but from what we've seen so far, he is NOT some sort of offensive campy stereotype: there's a lot to his character, and any "campiness" or "feminine" traits (besides his obsession with manners and cleanliness) are pretty minor. There's enough grief thrown at "feminine" gay guys in real life.]]
I'm a lot more angry at that reviewer and his article for being misleading and getting peoples hopes up than I am at IS. I was only expecting Linhardt, so id have been pleasantly surprised finding out that Alois is an option too, if that hadn't heavily implied that Claude was as well and shifted my expectations.
Plastering flirty lines from Claude all over an article about the supports and LGBT stuff in the game is really skeevy when you know he's not actually a bi option.
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7 minutes ago, Nio said:
That this is only pre time skip and we "know" post time skip we get more s supports AND some of them are spoilers.
Edit: Btw, we only saw one pic, one. Like calm down, we still have a LOT more to see.
Why on earth would more male characters suddenly get an S rank after the timeskip? When all the women and three men have them before? It's incredibly obvious that isn't the case.
It's also more than just one image.
Spoiler
That seems pretty comprehensive to me...
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9 minutes ago, Nio said:
This is NOT true, stop saying this stuff cause people would get a wrong idea.
One screenshot from the Eagles is not a confirmation for S supports to other houses, also, we "know" (from Leaks) that there are more S supports after the time skip.
It is, reviewers (you know, people have played the game) confirmed that there are 5 bi options for women and 3for men. And now we have pictures confirming that and showing us who those 3 are. What about that isn't clear?
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1 minute ago, Nio said:
My God the exaggeration and overreaction in here is way too much.
We dont even know if those are all the gay options. Thani even said some options are big spoilers. We need to wait and see post time skip stuff and even other houses options.
CALM DOWN AND WAIT. STOP WHINING.
It's already been confirmed they are the only options.
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35 minutes ago, aaronarium said:
I know some people aren't totally happy with the distribution of MLM relations, but I'm fucking GIDDY that not all the same sex options are young, twinky archetypes. And regarding Alois's wife and kid, you can totally write it in a way where Alois and his wife split off amicably, or she dies and he and Byleth get together after the fact, with Byleth being a wholesome step-parent. Whether or not IS has the writing chops remains to be seen, but if you seriously think a 2nd party Nintendo title will have the protagonist be an abject homewrecker you need to seek help.
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Gilbert being Annette's dad, and the confession box of him having left their family is correct,
I wonder if they're going to go the route of him having left because of him being an MLM. Could be intriguing to see unfold.
I'm glad that there are older, more traditionally masculine options.
SpoilerI'm very pleased to have Alois as an option (I also don't think he's as old as everyone is making him out to be).
But it does bother me that there aren't any traditionally attractive "anime pretty boy" options (Linhardt is a bit too femme to fit that niche). I'd much rather have had Caspar or Claude instead of Hilbert, to at least cover that base. Gilbert is so unappealing he's essentially a non-option in my eyes.
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Gilbert is an odd choice, can't say I feel anything for him as as an option.
Alois is cute though, I'm happy to pair him with Byleth. A bit confused about the whole wife thing, but im assuming his wife dies at some point during the course of the game.
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I'm fine with the distribution of 3 vs 5, it's a decent step up from Fates and not too skewed. Hopefully they'll expand on this and give even more same-sex options in future games.
I'm really curious about who the remaining two bi males are. Hopefully at least one of them will appeal to me. I know people are speculating that it's Claude and/or Alois, but I there's not sufficient evidence of that for me yet.
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The priority list for my Male Byleth goes something like: Caspar > Claude > Ashe > Catherine.
One of those is already out of the running and I'm pretty sure the first two will follow suit soon enough so... realistically, Catherine.
Petition to claim parity between homosexual options in FE:TH
in Fire Emblem: Three Houses
Posted · Edited by EJ107
I signed, because why not.
I don't feel like complete parity is needed, but only having one token MLM option when there are 5 FLF options and dozens of straight options is such a huge disparity that it really drags down the game as a whole.
It shows a huge amount of thoughtlessness, at best. I expect better from wide release games in 2019. And its a shame, since it's easily my biggest issue with an otherwise really good game. Given the supports are generally gender neutral, and a large number of the CG's are as well, it would have been trivial to add more options. In some cases, locking the S rank to a particular Byleth was actually more effort than leaving it open.