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So, you guys think Freyja is evil?
what is Sharena’s ties to the fairies? That is confusing me still
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She looks smart and fun, so sure!
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1 hour ago, Ice Dragon said:
Heroes clearly considers them to be different. Male Robin has origin ID 100000100200 whereas female Robin has origin ID 100000100300, which is used to sort characters by origin and is the reason why their alts appear after their base versions and not interspersed with each other.
CYL obviously does not follow the same logic that the game does internally, so what CYL does is meaningless to how they are treated within the game. After all, it combines votes for Tellius characters and disqualifies them together on victory, but Tellius characters have two IDs, one for each game.
That's just your assumption, whereas the much simpler and more reasonable explanation is the fact that the game simply considers them to be separate characters, like the Black Knight and Zelgius or the male and female versions of Robin and Corrin.
In thst case, due to the game coding them as separate entities, I’ll concede that Robin male and female are different in heroes~ Mostly because it seems to mean a LOT to you that I say Chrom has more alts than Robin
now everything is right again, with the main character having more.
it’s an assumption for now, but with one piece of evidence it’s impossible to say otherwise, yet. (And black knight and zelgius are 2 game characters so they don’t really count, as I don’t think anyone counts Ike and Ike differently”
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1 hour ago, Baldrick said:
Brave Lucina is just her as a Great Lord but I still counted it. The same could be said for many different alts.
Actually, that’s a good point. Even if it‘s not original, redrawing it multiple times for Heroes and making it playable is still favouritism towards Chrom.
I can see how brand new never before used concepts are favoritism. But concepts that already exist being made into alts is a bit lower effort.
Maybe risen king Chrom, if they ever add him, as fallen typically means red eyes and purple mist; but Chrom Would he significantly more work. But barring that Chrom’s legendary got no more love than any otherChrom’s spring alt was in the first batch of seasonable, and is arguably more designed than modern spring units so I can get that, but lucina has that.
Santa Chrom and co. Are also the first to use those looks so I can see giving him that point. But Robin has that.
I think it was kinda a way to give heroes Chrom a tie to both of his major sidekicks. But I could see the favoritism argument. Imo, it isn’t a fair comment for his Legendary or Lucina’s brave alt, or marth alt, though
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5 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:
On the other hand, the game puts all of male Robin's alts immediately after him and all of female Robin's alts immediately after her. It's clear the game treats them as different characters.
You can't use the argument that the game treats Lucina and Masked Marth as the same character and then ignore the fact that the game treats male and female Robin as different characters. Again, same with the Three Houses characters.
Flame Emperor and Edelgard are way more connected than Robin and Grima. So connected, in fact, that they are literally one and the same person and not even of two separate minds.
I don’t know female robins code in game but I’m pretty sure she’s also in the 1302 vein. Cipher considers them different but I don’t know that heroes does. we will know for sure if either One Robin wins cyl and the other isn’t removed, or male Robin gets a legendary even though female did already.
yes they are, But like I said, they were avoiding spoilers for a still new game. We will know for sure when they reveal Jeritza where they stand about masked characters (though jeritza has legitimate multiple personalities, I think most consider them the same character)
6 minutes ago, Baldrick said:In my opinion, alts are alts, no matter the identity shenanigans. I would even count Itsuki as a Chrom alt.
In terms of alts created specifically for Heroes, which I think is the salient point regarding favouritism, Chrom has four, Lucina has three and Robin has two.
how 4?
Spring, yesChrismtas, yes
knight Exalt may be his great lord. He doesn’t wear the fire emblem, and the silver was changed to White, and the falchion isn’t Awakened falchion and this doesn’t glow orange. So there are liberties, But this may be their take on Great Lord Chrom.
but either waylegendary Chrom is lifted from cipher, and those robes existed in Warriors as well
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And then they’re connected so really, doesn’t make a difference. They are one
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13 minutes ago, Jotari said:
I agree. I also think Grima is a different person too though, with a separate history and separate future to Robin.
They’re connected. By blood and fate.
“but chrom is nagas champion”
but Chrom isn’t a vessel.
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15 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:
Yet Black Knight and Zelgius are considered separate characters, as are the Three Houses masked characters, who don't have the excuse of being from different games.
Fomortiis is also classified as a Lyon alt despite the fact that the two are clearly separate consciousnesses and are not the same being, though they share the same body. (Having never finished Awakening, I do not know if Robin and Grima are two separate consciousnesses or if Robin simply "becomes" Grima.)
Three houses we can only guess That based off flame emperor, who was released early and is avoiding spoilers to a certain degree. if she were released now, who knows.
formortiis is still using Lyon as a vessel. While it isn’t his fate like it was for Robin, also wasn’t a lone or full powered Formortiis. It’s the dragon using Lyon’s body and energy.
1 hour ago, Jotari said:Well then if the body is Robin and biology is what you work off of, you'd have to admit that Robin has two separate bodies (one male and one female) and thus still has less alts than Chrom.
not really. Because robin’s are one person, just alternate variants of one another. Male to female Robin is as “alt” as “alt” gets. They’re both the same person with the same history and same future.
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49 minutes ago, Hilda said:
i think what Jotari is trying to say is that the Consciousness is different. Possesed Robin(Grima) has a clearly different consciousness then Masked "Marth". Masked "Marth" is still Lucina in her consciousness, while Possessed Robin is an entire differenty entity and not the same person.
Just an example:
Lets say you could store the consciousness/memorys/personality of a person on to a drive and transfer it from one body to another body.
If my consciousness gets transfered from my original body to lets say the body of for example Angelina Jolie.
Am I as a Person myself or am I Angelina Jolie? From the looks i would be her, but from the thought process and decision makeing i would be myself, would you still call that Person Angelina Jolie?That gets complicated if you wee the vessel of Angelina Jolie, and your purpose in life was to become Angelina Jolie.
min that case, you swapped to her would be sad, but it would be what was always supposed to happen.
Chrom changed fate (go figure it’s the purpose of the entire game); but without Chrom having such a heavy hand, even in the light of his own death, Robin becomes Grima because that’s what s/he’s made for. So Grima Robin is just a sad future for Robin, but not a totally separate unit. And the game itself puts them right after Chrom and his alts. Lead character, deuterantagonist, then into side characters; it’s the way every game is coded. Awakening is no different. The developers themselves consider Grima alternate variants of Robin.
if ??? We’re released, or Grima got their own character in dragon form, I’d not call them Robin alts as they aren’t versions of the Robin we know
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2 hours ago, Ice Dragon said:
Being identified as Marth and being identified as a Lucina alt are not mutually exclusive of each other.
They are saying that if Grima is Robin alt, “marth” isn’t a Lucina alt.
im saying that’s not the case.
so to this person, they are mutually exclusive.
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6 hours ago, Jotari said:
No, you're claiming Robin is Robin, and Marth is Lucina.
Yes, and now that character is called Grima, by name, self identified. The thinking walking acting individual is an entity called Grima.
No, I’m not. The body is Robin, the body is lucina.
the game dentifies them as Robin and lucina.
Grima is an alternative version of Robin. “Marth” is an alternate lucina.
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2 minutes ago, Jotari said:
I can't see the code so that's no argument at all. Fallen Robin is Grima in mind. Masked Marth is Lucina in mind. If you're going to argue the biology of it then you're still faced with male and female Robin having literal different biological bodies.
I’m arguing that Robin is Robin, and Lucina is Lucina.
Robin is the vessel for Grima. Grima claiming the vessel is sad, but it’s what robins body was made for. Obviously Chrom fights are and stops that, but in the universe where fallen Robin exists, that’s still Robin who fell.
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Grima is Robin possessed
‘Marth’ is Lucina in a disguise
so Grima is Robin, and ‘Marth’ is Lucinayou can also check their character codes with Chrom being 1301 and all his alts being adjacent to him.
Robin is 1302 with Grima right with his alts.
Lucina is 6901 (because they didn’t know where to label the future children) with ‘marth’ alt adjacent to her. -
On 5/10/2020 at 8:00 PM, Jotari said:
Oh yeah, just while the idea's in my head, if we count alts as literally the number of characters in the game with that name, which is the only way to say Robin has more alts than Chrom as two of Robin's alts are Grima, then Lucina actually has less alts than Chrom as one of her's is labelled Marth. So Chrom can either have more alts than Lucina and less than Robin, or as many as Lucina, but more than Robin.
I think the difference between Marth lucina and Grima Robin are fairly clear.
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Maybe I misremembered lucina; I thought there was a 6th
legendary, marth, regular, brave, spring
oh I was thinking summer, which is cipher not heroes.
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Fallen
1. obviously risen king Chrom as the banner head
2. Edelgard with Hedgemon stuff beginning. Not fully, maybe just some of her arms getting hurt. Or maybe maybe her a Laguz like unit with fang weapon?
3. Gustav from heroes!4. Raijaon
5. GHB of Xander after killing Elise; if he didn’t submit and let Corrin kill him but instead went nuts
redeemed heroes:
1. Savior King Dimitri. Great lord Armor, ponytail/NG+ haircut
2. Greil
3. Lehran
4. Gangrel, from the xenologue after Chrom spared him
5. Rudolf GHB
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3 minutes ago, Othin said:
Chrom has 5 versions so far, which is already a ton. He's tied with Marth, Hector, Ephraim, Ike, Lucina, and Azura, and the only ones who have more right now are Lyn and Camilla. (Also Tiki, Robin, and Corrin if you combine their versions.)
8-bit accessories are even more exclusive. Aside from the Heroes OCs, the only characters who've gotten one yet are Marth, Leif, Roy, Ike, Lucina, Edelgard, and Claude. They're definitely going to add more over time, and I think it's pretty safe to say that all the leads who already had 8-bit versions featured in the mini Feh Channel (which includes Chrom) will be among them.
If "5 or less versions and no 8-bit accessory right now" is your criteria for being snubbed, that includes Alm, Celica, Eliwood, Hector, Eirika, Ephraim, Micaiah, and Azura. That does not seem right to me.
In reference to being the main character of awakening yet having Less than Robin and lucina, his two side characters who further his story. And the 8bits, again Chrom is the main character but lucina got hers first.
I’m not saying Chrom got the worst treatment or anything just that, as the main character, he’s kinda stepped in in Heroes despite not being in other games whether from Nintendo, or third party, other games tend to favor Chrom more
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IS isn’t going to do many Chrom alts. Idk why. In Japan Chrom is looked at as a mascot. Huge cipher representation, a lot of merchandise, incredible popularity, KT picked him for warriors first, literally the first character they ever modeled was Chrom (hence why his warriors model is better than his smash model)
and yet...
heroes doesn’t even give him an 8 bit accessory
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2 minutes ago, anikom15 said:
Jeralt wakes up early in the morning and wakes up his adult daughter to go to some village to fight/kill people for money while talking to her about a dream she had.
I dunno sounds like that was originally written with a guy in mind just me.
It’s possible they had a guy in mind but default to female to balance the ratio. Like how heroes put Female Byleth into the story so that it was 2 males 2 females and how most people predict female Byleth is used for the legendary so that there are more females. By the same logic a warriors 2 may use female Byleth in the story mode with male being an alt costume.
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I think cyl/brave should have been an option but I would vote legendary
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19 minutes ago, SSbardock84 said:
Eventually maybe. Unless they stop doing CYL.
Yeah by a large margin people seem to think this. That said it’s hard to see him wining any time in the next 5, and we can’t assume we will have 10, so I don’t see how they have
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2 hours ago, Troykv said:
Chrom is this one player that really doesn't seem to benefit of anything in particular, but also doesn't lose.
This is probably the only character besides Marth himself that has been this consistent in CYL, I think he has the potential to win CYL5 (mostly because new games or remakes won't be affecting this time), now that only he's competition it's mostly Marth + several 3H Characters without a clear favorite going into CYL5.
In the other hand, Seliph and Sigurd depends quite a bit of how things develop prior to CYL.
Yeah. If Seliph gets a legendary, all support moves to Sigurd who gets in. If Sigurd gets one, Seliph gets in basically. Many Chrom fans would have shifted to dimitri but the other direction isn’t true for whatever reason
so I think his chances are shot because there is very little possibility both Sigurd and Seliph get a legendary so support for the two of them will pool together. I don’t think a normal alt will cut it, especially if it’s a duo in which case the secondary unit will be the rally character
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To either awakening led by say ri or tellius led by Jill
but then again the new legendary Edelgard trailer is making me think they want to switch to post TS 3H. Maybe the dimitri and Claude and then some BE are coming?
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1 hour ago, Florete said:
Sothis and Rhea don't exactly fit in this group. Sure, they'll probably be in the game somehow, but "gender-balancing" for this group is not something they'll be a part of - and let's just get it out of the way that a hypothetical FEW2 would absolutely include more TH characters than these 6.
Exactly what I mean. The four that get the spotlight will be house lords and Byleth so unless they specifically want Edelgard as the only female to draw attention to her, Byleth will likely be female
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I got Freyja and the brother mixed up when responding. My bad