Scary tiki goddess
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2 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
I've never heard of that place. But one site doesn't mean anything. As I pointed out, ff.net seems to have more Ike x Elincia fanfics. There isn't even an archive for Ike x Soren.
Filtering for Ike and Soren on ff.net shows 373 works vs 66 for Ike and Elincia. Even when you check the little "pairing" box, it's still 36 marked Ike/Soren vs 8 marked Ike/Elincia. It's crazy, since the big FE pairs have mostly been between Fates/Awakening characters, but after Heroes I see Ike/Soren everywhere now -- looking at the general FE page, it seems like the most popular non-Fateswakening ship period. "Canon" argument aside, I can see how people would see this as a deliberate choice on the part of IS.
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30 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Ike x Elincia is also just as popular as far as I've seen, though probably more in the west.
23 minutes ago, Anacybele said:Fine. But I doubt it'll actually be canon. If it was supposed to be, it would've been in RD already.
Elincia was brand new at that time and since Soren was demoted, players were more likely to have him and Ike than Ike and Elincia. And as pointed out above, Ike and Elincia are both sword units (CYL Ike didn't exist yet, I believe), Soren is a different color, so him and Ike are a more optimal support pairing.
Wrong. You should see how much fanart and fanfiction I find of the two. In fact, every time I Google Ike or Elincia, some fanart of them as a pairing comes up. There's some Ike x Soren in Ike's case too, but there's still Ike x Elincia as well. The fanfic archive I made on ff.net for them is one of the largest FE ones. And Ike x Elincia seems to be Elincia's most popular pair because I see a lot more fanart and fanfiction for them than her and Geoffrey. Just saying.
We're all allowed to have our ship preferences. We just can't throw around false information or force things down other's throats or tell them their ship is wrong etc. etc. Not saying anyone is actually doing this, I'm just throwing it out there. Let's keep things civil and be excited for this amazing banner!
I don't have a dog in this "X Ship is Canon!" race, but this itself is false information... on just Archive of Our Own, there are 7 times more Ike/Soren works than the second most popular pairing in the Tellius section. I don't think it matters at all, but it's far and away the most popular ship for the continent. Popularity doesn't really have any bearing on whether a ship is canon, though. (How popular is Astrid/Makalov?)
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1 hour ago, Tolvir said:
There is a difference between hold dear and romantic feelings. I hold my brother dear, he has and always will be my best friend. But that doesn't mean I want to hold hands and be romantic with him.
Unless it is officially confirmed that Soren and Ike were gay (I still honestly believe Soren is more asexual an anything. Dude is so apathetic he wouldn't react to any kind of advances) then there is really no evidence suggesting they had a relationship. Most of the "evidence" there is completely depends on how you interpret it. If you go looking for a romantic interest between the two, you may interpret it as such. But if you look at them as just friends then it is just two friends.
I hold my partner dear and we are romantically involved, and if I were to say that my sense of how dear I hold her is renewed, people would probably say that's pretty gay. What privileges your anecdote over mine?
For the record I'm not actually aligning myself with any concrete interpretation of Ike's sexuality, but I'm questioning why someone would see that line in his profile and say "I hope fandom doesn't read this line in a way it could be obviously read in."
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8 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
A hug and holding hands together, not simply an ending cutscene itself. Ike can hold as many people dear to him as he wants, it doesn't mean he's romantic with all of them.
Ike can hold as many people dear as he wants, but the fact of the matter is that his profile took care to point out how he holds Soren dear. The original point I was questioning: why shouldn't people consider this addition to the body of textual evidence for romantic Ike/Soren?
(Tangentially, I can't imagine Soren as the hand holding type, at least not openly.)
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2 hours ago, Anacybele said:
Tie that in with a hug, and you just might get some actual romantic implications there. But Ike was never seen holding hands with Soren.
So a hug and end cutscene to PoR would be considered romantic in combination, but the Ike/Soren hug in combination with Ike's renewed sense of how dear Soren is to him isn't?
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27 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Did YOU read it? The very beginning says the writer was always in the camp of "Ike likes dudes." I have skimmed through the rest of it though. Didn't read it completely because it's long as hell and I can't really be bothered when I know I won't agree with it as I said.
No, but they could've made it more obvious that Ike was gay in other ways. He doesn't have to act like Heather. But Ike makes no implications of his sexuality whatsoever.
Also, of course Awakening canon has bearing on Tellius's. Chrom knows about Ike and Priam exists. Ike was implied to have found the Outrealm Gate into Awakening's world at some point too, I believe.
I don't really want to lecture you, but it's actually a good thing to expose yourself to different opinions to strengthen your own position. You can't really argue against the opposing position if you don't fully understand it.
Out of curiosity, seeing as you're a writer, how would you write an obviously gay character?
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2 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:
Interesting material it has. I was astonished by the revelation of the implication of Kent-Fiora pre-marital sex in the Japanese version. The well-mannered highly rational duo does it? That seems totally out of character! Sain on the other hand is more likely to die a virgin I guess because he's too up front about his romantic passions, so every woman steels themselves against his pleas (unless he turns into a criminal- which I very doubt IS would ever imagine one of its playboy types doing). And here I though sex outside of marriage wasn't a thing among FE playables.
I'm still of the "we have zero absolute certainty" camp. But the Ike-Soren debate is entertaining.
IIRC FE7's English translation is a pretty faithful rendition of the Japanese; I remember reaching their supports as a child and the implications completely flying over my head until much later. :P
As for the entertaining Ike/Soren debate, let's try to take this one thing at a time.
5 hours ago, Anacybele said:Sorry, but I've seen that article and I've never agreed with it because it basically says he's gay no question and there's nothing to indicate that.
No it doesn't. Have you read it? If not, you're misrepresenting a dissenting opinion based on your assumptions, not facts.
5 hours ago, Anacybele said:If anything, I would've guessed that he's asexual, but Priam is a thing, so it makes it quite possible that he did get with a woman.
This has always been a weird line of argument to me, because the 3 possibilities (1. Ike is asexual 2. Ike has gotten with a woman 3. Ike has gotten with a man) aren't mutually exclusive. I can talk about Priam more, though.
5 hours ago, Anacybele said:And I think if IS really wanted Ike to be gay, they'd have made it much more obvious since Heather is a thing in Tellius. She's practically all but confirmed to be lesbian.
Just to get the record straight, I don't think a female character has to be a serial womanizer to be plausibly gay (or potentially attracted to other women) and I feel like the same could be said for a male character.
1 hour ago, NinjaMonkey said:The existence of Priam (who is Ike's descendant) means that Ike has to have a relationship with a woman at some point in his life. Which means both Ike X Soren and Ike X Ranulf aren't canon.
I feel like your argument was stronger before your edits (though Anri says hi), but if you're going off the assumption that 1. Awakening canon has bearing on Tellius canon 2. Priam's claim can be taken at face value and 3. There's no chance of Priam's situation bearing any similarity to Marth and Anri's, you still have to defend the claim that Ike procreating precludes the possibility that he, at some point in his life, entered into a romantic relationship with Ike or Ranulf (or any unnamed male suitor :P).
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8 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
That's why I said marriage OR romance. Bastian and Lucia are confirmed to be romantic. Ike and Soren are not. I'm sick of people claiming they are when there's no real evidence at all to such a thing. Yes, Ike gave Soren a hug. So WHAT? Good friends hug each other all the time, doesn't always mean they're in love. Soren IS obessed with Ike, but it's not really mutual for Ike. Ike decides Soren is dear to him, but that still doesn't necessarily mean romance. Friends can hold each other dear without being romantic.
My point is why can't some best friends just stay best friends? Why do they always have to be lovers?
To me, a pairing is confirmed when they're stated to get married or be in love. Ike and Soren have neither. I also don't think it's entirely out of character for Ike to get married to anyone. He values family a lot, as the art book for PoR says that it's his biggest value. I don't think he'd put marriage entirely out of the question because of this.
You don't need to be married to start or have a family?
It would make more sense for canon to all but outright state Ike's sexuality, considering the game's country of origin and the time it came out. This post explains my point better than I could: http://amielleon.dreamwidth.org/237826.html
So no, best friends don't "always" have to be lovers, but people certainly can be both.
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15 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Because Geoffrey and Elincia actually get married in their ending while Ike and Soren don't have any indication of romance or marriage? Plus, Ike also has an ending with Ranulf. Nobody's arguing that they're canon.
I know this is true and I HATE the Geoffrey/Elincia pairing.
Bastian and Lucia don't get married, but their paired ending is inarguably pretty romantic. (No one would argue there isn't attraction there.) You don't have to be married to be romantically involved with someone, and it'd be kind of out of character for someone like Ike, who eschews ceremony and fanfare as much as he does, to tie the knot with anyone he's romantically involved with.
Why couldn't Ike and Ranulf be canon? There are less people arguing for it because there's less textual evidence than Ike/Soren, but it's more believable than basically any ship between Ike and a woman.
Again no disrespect intended, I'm just trying to determine what "confirms" a ship to you.
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15 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Geoffrey/Elincia got an ending while Lucia/Elincia did not. And if Lucia/Elincia is still considered possible in that case, then by that logic, so is Ike/Elincia. And none of these are even 100% canon anyway since even the possible endings are optional.
Why would it matter that Lucia/Elincia doesn't get a paired ending if paired endings don't grant canon authority over ships without paired endings? If they do, Ike's paired ending with Soren and his "renewed sense of how dear Soren is to him" seems like pretty damning textual evidence. I guess what I'm driving at is what makes Ike/Soren less canon than Geoffrey/Elincia?
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On May 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Anacybele said:
But gods, if the whole fandom saw that bit about Soren there, I would hate to see how many would claim this "confirms" them as a couple. >.> When it honestly doesn't. You can hold someone dear and not call them a lover (hell, Elincia even proves this with her relationship to Lucia. She holds her dear, but calls her a sister, not a lover).
Considering how Geoffrey/Elincia is a canon couple between milk siblings, this is more of an argument for Lucia/Elincia and Ike/Soren than against.
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I guess maybe put more succinctly, if we're still going down this road...