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y'all should've sheeped my reads harder
GG all.
Oh yeah, and I was Futaba the Day 1 Networker. I networked four people who weren't myself. My logic's explained in the graveyard, but I'll wait for SB to post the quicktopics.
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Hosting this as filler since SB's game is in *YLO and BBM said there were people who wanted to play in his game who he'd maybe have to wait a week or two for.
Rules:
- This is an Everyone is Mafia Mafia game. There are no day phases. Each night, you kill one other player. If you are one of the last three players alive, you win. Outside contact is enabled.
- Aliases are on. When you sign up, PM me an alias (or message me on Discord). Players will target aliases instead of player names. When a player dies, their alias will be revealed.
- All players have roles. By default, players have two BPVs (bulletproof vests) to begin with, but this may vary depending on role.
- Players who do not send in a kill will die themselves. Idling your kill is not allowed.
- Each night phase is 24 hours.
- You may not quote your role PM or further role results.
- Pregame strategizing is not allowed.Game starts when SB's game ends, maybe add a few days if I don't have a reasonable amount of sign-ups by then. This way I should also have lots of time to fine-tune the set-up and make sure it's fully balanced.
Sign-Ups:- Clarinets
- Junk
- Lord Gaius
- Walrein
- Shinori
- Blitz
- Anime27Arts
- DefaultBeep
- Fenrir Aesir
- Bartozio
- SullyMcGully
- SB.
- Mackc2
- Monde
- Grace
- Dragonflare7
- Propeller Knight
- Ken Masters
- XnadrojX
Alias List:
- asscabbage
- Chiaki
- Dril
- Duke
- Garfield
- Graham
- h&s
- Katarina
- Karla
- Kosmos
- Lady Scarlet
- Maya Fey
- Mind
- Paperbrad
- Polar Bear
- quiggle
- Tyr
- Yawn
- yoshiboy
Dead:
- None!
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Maybe! I might not; I'd rather wait for more people to be available.
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Proto just claiming normal Rogue made me think it was weird when you claimed Macho without knowing about the log though (eg why would a rogue be macho, was snike scum that was going outside his given fakeclaim but got screwed by proto, etc). In the end Rein just really had a Macho rogue though lmao.
Also Ice said you weren't macho when he dug up your flip which was really weird.
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Cut by me dying.
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Mich could be scum. He stepped his game up mid-D1 when he got lynched as Godfather too. It just didn't stop his lynch because he had scummy actions on record already. This game is a blank slate. Despite his lurking I don't think he's much worse than my main scumreads, though.
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I guess you're right in that scum is more likely to test the waters before claiming after subbing in. I still think the slot could be scum though and am just opposed to last minute wagons on principle and I'm heavily skeptical re-reading Sully would make me want to lynch him more than the slot I've been scumreading all game.
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I don't think the VT tell works because once scum know it they can abuse it. In a situation where people were clamoring for a lynch on a slot that just hadn't posted, subbing in and throwing semi-decent content out there is enough to sway a few votes off of you. scum!Gaius doesn't need to fakeclaim to survive.
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Before I forget: My roleclaim is that Refa and Michelaar are scumbuddies.
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3 minutes ago, Refa said:
I'm handwaving it because I don't see Scum!Bartozio criticizing my case on Sully when Ken M. was doing the same things. On its own, I can see his vote being apathetic scum, but I don't think how he's handled it WRT his responses to people has been.
What did you think of Mackc2's responses because those were why I'm not bothered by him currently.
I think you're clearing Bart too easily, honestly. Why can't scum!Bartozio do that? It's an extremely easy post to make regardless of alignment so scum!Bartozio can make it because he needs to look like he's Doing Things, and it doesn't really matter for him in the end because he's not actually committing to a read on you or Sully when he does so.
I don't see how Mack's responses are alignment indicative. tbh I'm not a fan how he says he still thinks Shinori is scummy and re-enforces his Shinori case but makes an empty unvote in the same post he says he doesn't like unvoting without a new person to move his vote to. His vote ends up on the Ken wagon in the end even though he said he wanted to read Shinori more so I can't tell where his Shinori read actually went.
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I am cooling down on Gaius a little (despite being salty at him for the bad meta on me) but I don't really want to lynch Sully either.
Surely nobody would feel bad about lynching Bartozio if he flipped scum? Might be too close to a turbo for my tastes, though. Alternately we can lynch him tomorrow, like the time I felt bad about lynching scum!RD immediately so I waited until Day 2 to push him.
I think ultimately it's reasonable to lynch the VT claim in case I'm being dumb and second-guessing myself based on other scum reads that I could also be wrong about.
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8 minutes ago, SullyMcGully said:
@Prims: Could you answer my questions please? I may not see them but they may do some good for the others. Particularly, what's your current position on your old reads (Mack and Shinori)?
Neither of them are getting lynched today from what I can tell, but my Mack read hasn't changed much from the posts he's made since I suspected him. Last night I was concerned Shinori could be scum trying to seem active by replying to all the suspicions on him but not actively engaging with the main game much, but after his PBPA of Bartozio I think he's just following his own whims and his play looks reminiscent of Kemono Friends. Overall I'd say he's just OK, maybe a slight town lean? I haven't really read him in-depth because I want to Get This Post Out Here(TM). My current Shinori read is completely independent of my original read on him, though, which was a gut read based on early posts.
I actually am glad for Shinori's post on Bartozio, though, because it made me realize Bartozio's reason for keeping the Ken vote is... "[he] somewhat discourages people from posting reads, so I'm going to keep my vote there for now.". Wow! And you guys thought I was voteparking! He outright says he's leaving his vote there "for now" like it's just a placeholder because he doesn't know who the scums are. Then when he switches back it's just because he has no better read... Seriously, this is what apathetic scum parking on a wagon looks like, not me Pushing Ken For Doing Scummy Things. tbh everyone on the Prims wagon should explain how the hell my Ken vote is worse than this. @kirsche @Lord Gaius @SullyMcGully @Refa
8 minutes ago, Refa said:@Prims Please respond to this.
29 minutes ago, Prims said:He was reactionary and obtuse and not scumhunting the way a townie should, this lasted into the serious portion of the game as well even if he dropped out early. All this is scummy play.
25 minutes ago, Prims said:Yeah, Ken's behavior happened early into the game but I also think (controversial opinion) most of the posts since then have been about equally useful to the posts then. The only difference is that they have more words in them. This is why the day should have ended in a Ken lynch 48 hours in but what can you do.
Same posts can be repurposed as a reply to Gaius. Again, his play persisted into the serious portion of the game, not just RVS. If he had kept posting after that and his posts were still scummy I would have still voted there.
Anyway, if I die then lynch kirsche tomorrow for pushing bad gameplay theory as a reason not to lynch a scummy player and starting a mislynch wagon over meta while ignoring the actual context of my actions. Bart is a great lynch too and Gaius is also still a reasonable option but I'm actually wavering on it now because two of my last minute scumreads (kirsche and Bartozio) have interactions that point to him being a townie used as a scapegoat for their nefarious scum plans. If you made me guess the scumteam offhand I would say kirsche/Bart/Mack, with Gaius as an alternative to Bart. Obviously kirsche isn't getting lynched today, though, so not me over me applies.
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3 hours ago, kirsche said:
E.g. if we lynch Ken/Gaius and he flips mafia we might go "oh look Gaius immediately hopped onto the Sully wagon so Suly is probably not scum/mafia". (Not necessarily true but hopefully this puts forth the idea).
ALTERNATELY if Ken/Gaius flips mafia we lynch you for opposing the wagon for a non-reason and ignoring the actual cases on him.
What kirsche says here is straight up not true because when a lynched player flips scum, you catch scum by looking at how people interacted with the wagon on them more than you look at the scum's actions. He's also devaluing the worth of a scum lynch, ignoring the fact that obviously a scum lynch is good because it PUTS US CLOSER TO WINNING. It's a complete non-defense and he also didn't acknowledge me restating the case on Ken since the last time he dismissed it, which bugs me because part of the reason I felt the need to restate it was because of how much he had oversimplified it.
I do think kirsche is extremely scummy now for pushing the train of thought that you should lynch for associative reads and not scumminess. This is independent of Gaius' flip too; scum!kirsche's lack of an actual Ken defense could just as easily be because Ken is town and he doesn't care if the slot gets lynched.
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Yeah, Ken's behavior happened early into the game but I also think (controversial opinion) most of the posts since then have been about equally useful to the posts then. The only difference is that they have more words in them. This is why the day should have ended in a Ken lynch 48 hours in but what can you do.
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11 minutes ago, Refa said:
1) Having a weak read on Ken M. for RVS reasons isn't scummy, but when it's your strongest scum read by the end of the day it is.
My read on Ken isn't weak, though. I already made a post restating it. He was reactionary and obtuse and not scumhunting the way a townie should, this lasted into the serious portion of the game as well even if he dropped out early. All this is scummy play.
12 minutes ago, Refa said:2) Having weak reads isn't scummy, but when you drop them so easily without building upon them it is.
Weak reads get dropped as town because they were weak to begin with. If they don't evolve into anything then there's no reason to keep them.
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9 minutes ago, Refa said:
I don't care if you're not changing your opinions, but I'm not getting the sense that you're reevaluating them to see if they still hold true. Admittedly I haven't bothered to reread you
XFD
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6 minutes ago, Refa said:
Why wouldn't you push other people though? There's more than one scum in the game.
Nothing to push. Only one player gets lynched each day anyway. Following flips it becomes easier to find people through connections but one strong read is good enough for D1.
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Really my best defense is that the Ken slot is scummy as I've said here and the reason I've been voting that all day is because I want it lynched. Calling me scummy for not having strong pushes on other players is a little baffling because they're not the player I want lynched today...
Gaius voting me because I'm "lazy compared to the usual Prims" is laughable when I played even more apathetically than this and got him mislynched D1 2-3 games ago. I would think he would remember that. Regardless of meta arguments I hate his Shinori defense because Shinori is obviously not getting lynched today and it and the Quote blurb look like filler content. Actually I don't know why he didn't just post scum reads on me and Sully to begin with instead of throwing in a bunch of secondary town reads that aren't topical to game state? Potentially padding, maybe.
I never scumread Marth except very early on over a joke which was my bad, so idk what Sully is getting at with that.
kirsche can die after Gaius as far as I'm concerned.
@Baldrickget back here why would you leave your vote on shinori. I don't even disagree with your case it's just obviously not happening today.
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3 minutes ago, Refa said:
-Your Ken M. read is based on him not delivering content even though his last post was RVS. That doesn't make it a bad read but it's weird to me that it's your strongest scum read.
-Your other reads are fairly weak, which again isn't scummy in and of itself, but it bothers me that you've dropped like all of them only to settle on Ken M. A specific example is that when I asked you why you felt better about BBM/Marth, you said their interactions with each other which is just ???. Doesn't feel like a lot of thought went there.
-Your play seems fairly static in that you're just posting reads/cases but your interactions are just limited to you talking to people you've cased before dropping the cases. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I'm not really seeing your reads getting updated, just a "this guy is scummy" or "this guy is not scummy" if that makes any sense.
Instead of replying to these I could just point out that you cop out of 2/3 of your own reasons for thinking I'm scum in your own post anyway. "this isn't bad but it's weird" "this isn't scummy in and of itself" lol? Not changing my opinions all the time isn't scummy either but it's straight up untrue I haven't had a thought process this game since my reads on BBM were updated (see my back and forth with him) and so was my read on Mack when I re-read him and found him scummy. Obviously I'm not going to be pushing people who aren't Ken when I think Ken is the scummiest target. And yeah I didn't reply about BBM/Marth because I was lazy and that was a gut read anyway.
6 minutes ago, BBM said:ok come on lol you've led turbolynches many times. I'm not saying you should claim right away but you don't get to call turbolynches inherently atrocious play without looking at any of the individual votes
To be fair, (almost) all of those times were bad plays on my part.
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2 hours ago, kirsche said:
Comp spent all day updating and I'm about to go to my shift so welp, rereading over N1 I guess.
Everything about Sully reads as ok but slightly wrong which is expected from a newb. For example, I can understand how Sully can interpret BBM's posts as all corrections/observations by his frequent posting style. The posting style and content feels earnest and again I can't see first time scum making a post like his confirmation one. bad lynch.
Ken masters is also a bad lynch, dunno why everyone keeps talking about associative reads and getting info from his flip, he hasn't talked to anyone so what's the point.
You barely mentioned Shinori in your Sully vote post with the only statement I can find in it relating to his alignment to be you find him "relatively null" which is slightly concerning since it seems like he's currently one of your biggest scumreads yet you "can't put a finger" on why exactly. Please read the stuff in quotation marks with the most snark possible as that is my intent.
Iunno if you're a good lynch though because you defended yourself mostly well and I don't know if scum!you would be this calm and detailed in your response. I kinda wish you got pressured in that smogon game more so I would know. At this point I'll tentatively ##Unvote since you bring more to the table than the other options and i think your alignment will become clearer in time. Still think you're scum though.
@Refa: It's moreso the fact that you seem to be approaching every Mack post as something that is likely coming from scum and justifying it afterwards iunno. Keep up the pressure though it isn't bad that it's happening I guess. What do you think of Prims?
Shinori's Bart case is kinda meh, he's not really making clear the scum intent imo in Bart's posts with the main staying point is Bart's sudden suspicions on some people. Like is Bart's Sully case scummy and why? Is Sully being set up as a mislynch and how and by whom? Just Bart? I'm open to the idea but I'm not as paranoid about the people on the wagon bar BBM. Wouldn't be mad about a lynch on this slot as aside from this Bart case he hasn't done much. Still want to know his actual thoughts on me.
I'm going to ##Vote: Prims though because he's doubled down on his Ken Masters park to the point of ridiculousness. My impression from Rein's game is that Prims is the kind of player that likes to bounce off of others to get opinions of people and is very eager to do so about basically everyone and he had a lack of confidence in a couple of his reads IIRC. Now I know that was OC but the first day was played like NOC basically with added rolespec on Prims' part yet that didn't seem to affect my conversations too much with him imo. Here he is a lot more distant and a lot more resigned to this vote. As scum he wouldn't really feel the need to swap because noone else has bothered to care and imo that is what is happening. He is just letting the lynch play out for the most part and unlike some people who're pretty forgettable (Bart, Baldrick) (partly also my faulty tbh got to be picky about who to read) I would expect much much better from him. He's a good lynch because he has associations and is much less likely to flip town (Sully, Ken) and give more associative reads than some (Ken).
HEY I'M "DOUBLING DOWN" BECAUSE I THINK THAT SLOT IS SCUM. STOP DEFENDING A SCUMMY SLOT FOR BAD / NON-EXISTENT REASONS. ARE YOU SCUM TOO?
This is entire post is bad bad bad because 1) kirsche has not actually explained why the cases on Ken Masters don't hold water (he gave a defense earlier on but that was before I restated my case and now he just votes me and ignores it), instead he says it's a bad lynch because he hasn't talked to anybody but guess what there's a replacement talking RIGHT NOW and also you don't lynch for "associative reads" you lynch people for being scummy. 2) it's a meta case based on one game, an OC game (this game is not OC) and not the several NOC games I've played in as town, the two most recent of which where I actually put in less effort than I am in this game 3) it completely ignores that I could be voting Ken all day as town because... you know, I think he's scummy and I want to get scum lynched. You might notice the point in the day where I thought the player most likely to be lynched was BBM and switched my vote there until I changed my mind.
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I haven't read anything but the votals but no I'm not getting turbo lynched in the last 6 hours of Day 1 you nitwits, that's straight up atrocious play. Don't expect a claim from me either.
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I would rather just lynch the slot and not worry about it. I don't feel strongly about any other reads atm.
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Ken was in Manix's EM filler game (and he was much more pro-active than this, for all that means considering that game was a year ago). I believe he was in other games as well, but not ones I've read.
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Just so we're clear: I actually do think Ken is the most likely to flip scum at this juncture. In effect, he was using playstyle as an excuse to not contribute to the thread. His biggest concerns when posting were generally people voting him since that's what got him to reply to thread the most. But he doesn't engage the people voting him beyond telling them "I don't care about ED1 lol". In his response to Marth here, he says serious suspicion won't happen until later today, but what's he doing to reach that point? Is he just waiting for everybody to provide content for him? I'm not expecting super strong reads from him that early on, but a townie playing to the beat of their own drum should be doing more to actually get reads out of people if they're not happy with the current thread content. What he was doing was reactive and passive play, which is scummy.
The disappearing act is just argh at this point. It says he was last online 3 minutes ago so I don't know what's up with that.
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