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2 minutes ago, eclipse said:
I can dissect what you said, and why it's a problem via PM, because it's going to be a bit involved.
I don't really see how this is a problem since i already addressed what i meant.
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8 minutes ago, eclipse said:
You're putting a reason in their mouth. She's polarizing, but it's not up to you to attempt to justify why.
That's the reasons i'm seeing in places on reddit and on twitter i'm just restating them here as what she gets flack for. It's a reason i'm seeing people hate her for.
You may have a different reason but i wasn't specifically directing this at everyone, but from what i personally seen. Not putting a reason in their mouth but more like reusing the words already used when criticizing her. I still don't understand. Like if it came off that way i apologize but that wasn't the direction i was trying to state in my initial post. -
3 minutes ago, eclipse said:
Might want to reread what you wrote next time.
How does this imply that i'm shoving everyone in the box by saying i recently see more hate then her being liked in the community to the point it's not really unpopular?
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4 minutes ago, eclipse said:
It's a reminder that there's a lot of people out there, each with their own reasons for liking/disliking something. Don't shove 'em into a box, 'cause that's when I have to untangle the inevitable mess.
Never said all do this, i said from what i personally seen. Never generalized everyone by shoving them into one group.
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1 hour ago, eclipse said:
That's a hell of an assumption to make. Her character annoyed me almost immediately, and her supports have done nothing to change that. I don't do the "it's popular to hate X" thing - I like it or I don't.
I slapped his own staff on him, and let him loose. He took quite a bit of punishment, and could either snipe with magic or run up and Frozen Lance something in the face. He's one of the few guys I take the time to recruit, because of this.
This wasnt specially for you if you actually got offended.
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Lysithea. overpraised as a unit, and floods threads with the same memes which branch her popularity in the west alot, while her character draws more appeal in japan. As a character she gets generalized alot based on her early perception in the GD house instead of the whole, and similar to Ricken written off like all she talks about is being a kid and being disrespectful to everyone, when she's way more then that. I often see more hate towards her character then actual like more then people want to believe since hating her character feels popular then unpopular now and might as well be one of the top most vocally hated non lord characters. She gets perceived in a really strange way that leans both ways.
Cyril, he's not just all about Rhea.
Ignatz, dude just gets hate for almost no actual reason except probably the fact of just being a boy with anxiety, which seems to be the biggest offturn in media from what i'm seeing since those chars tend to get called losers, wimpy etc. Outside of this he's a really good character.
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It's simply called riding hate. Ricken is a fine character, but people judge him based on his traits rather then his actual supports which i find just uncool.
Hayato's personality doesn't revolve around the child gimmick either but rather his normal interactions with others, but honestly he is extremely bland/inconsistent in his supports that it makes sense that people can't really see anything good past his gimmick trait. Similar gripe fans have with Cyril. -
54 minutes ago, NegativeExponents- said:
Question to the few who called Marianne overrated due to the her "creepy fanbase" Why only single her out like that? Why isn't Bernie and Dimitri being brought up too despite them having similar issues of having a "creepy fanbase" who want to fix a broken person? They're fanbase are notably bigger too so you see a lot more of that from them.
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Edel is my #1 choice for overrated character. I have posted my opinions on how I feel about Edelgard multiple time throughout multiple boards. I have heard that if you don't play Edel's route first you won't get to like her because you didn't form any attachments to her, but that's just baloney, if the only way to like a character is through firstism bias than that says a lot about how terrible they are.
Lysithea. Yeah she has a tragic backstory just like Edel, boo-hoo. It's the only thing she has going for her as a character though. Outside of that she's just another Hayato (comparing her to Ricken would be too kind) but with a meaner streak which is rarely, if ever, warranted.
Sylvain might be too early to judge since I still haven't seen anything from him except for Byleth's B support and his dialogue around the monastery but all I have seen from him is just negative. The only one that I'm seeing treating someone like an object is Sylvain himself coupled with threats to Byleth due to jealousy.
Lysithea has alot going for her character, it's called development which is active in most of her supports that make her actually grow up unlike Ricken and Hayato who are pretty much the little jrpg anime boy who wants to look like a man and look extremely arrogant about it (Hayato) without change (Both)
I personally understand, but find it funny that chars who have nothing really going on for their char flaw or development wise (Petra) don't receive similar criticism yet end up being among the most popular.
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21 hours ago, SpiceMan said:
I agree that Sylvain can be a pretty bad person, and the way he treats women isn't excused by his past actions. That's why I like him. It's refreshing to have a playable character who is a decent person at heart, have their negative features being portrayed so strongly. I do think he's overrated in the sense that lots of people try to justify him when he isn't justifiable. He's smart, cynical, and knows what he's doing and why it's wrong to do so. But he does it anyway because he feels he needs to hurt them before they hurt him. And I find that fascinating, that one of your units can be that morally flawed while still being mostly a good person to others. He's more realistic than other fe characters because he's not perfect and real people aren't perfect.
For my own overrated character, most have been said already so I'll nominate Petra. I think she's incredibly boring and she's way too perfect. Her only negative trait is not speaking the language well (which gets annoying quick) and nothing else. She's smart, kind, hardworking, capable, determined, curious, forgiving and mature while still being 15 and everyone loves to praise her for being so amazing. The only supports I like of hers are Hubert's, Caspar's and Ashe's because its funny. The others I have to end up skipping when I unlock them because I can't stay invested.
This sums her up pretty well.
She's too unrealistically perfect for her age that makes it really uninteresting.
For chars around her age that have notable flaws in their personality or their way of thinking she comes off as a borderline mary sue who just doesn't have real weaknesses as a character besides her unable to properly speak english which comes off as a gimmick more then a flaw since it doesn't change at all in 5 years. Unlike other chars who had flaws that made them grow she barely changes as a character, and remains almost as static as Raphael regarding her character bar the situation of the story.
She was my 3rd choice of the most overrated character imo lords aside. -
On 1/25/2020 at 6:20 AM, Etrurian emperor said:
I wouldn't be too surprised about Lysithea being popular. She's as close to a loli that someone who's legal can get after the timeskip, she's a tsundere and a good unit while also having some special gimmicks like two crests.
Loli's, tsundere's, good units and plot important characters are all popular so a combination of those would naturally be popular too. The only thing that might bring her down is that she's technically a Ricken but she tends to get a pass on that one.
She's not a Loli post or pre.
Loli = a girl who appears or is underage I,E 12 or younger which she doesn't fit that section
She is not a tsundere either.
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5 hours ago, Silver-Haired Maiden said:
Every time I read Sylvain's supports (barring like 3) I like him less. I still like him, but I like him less.
I'm not a huge fan of Marianne or Bernadetta for quite similar reasons - they're annoying.
As much as I like Hilda, I never see anyone talk about her "subtle" racism so I have to throw her on here too.
It wasn't really subtle, but she herself is not racist.
In her supports with Cyril she pretty much lists the stereotypes she learned from her family about then, but never really met a Almyran before she saw Cyril who was not like what she was told about them, which is why she said "You're not like one of them." Cyril got kind of annoyed hearing her talk about this subject which sounded kind of offensive even if she didn't intend it to. Cyril replied by explaining that everyone is not one thing, which was enough to convince her to write to her brother about Cyril. Holst replied with a similar explanation like Cyril, and Hilda pretty much dropped it altogether never see her talk negative about them
Hilda has an option to marry Cyril in their ending.
She also eventually accepts Claude's offer toSpoilergo meet his parents in Almyra since she was always to curious about them
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26 minutes ago, Crysta said:
Sounds more like inconsistent Mercedes writing than Sylvain writing. We don’t see girls treating Sylvain like garbage because it seems mostly in his head and fueled by his own insecurities, and I’m kind of glad they don’t actually give him on-screen justification because of that. He’s a prick, even if he’s met one or two equally shallow girls.
And what of Marianne?
Not really it's not in his head it actually happened to him we just never seen it personally which is the problem, because we only see him being the asshole he claims the women treating him are, and this makes alot of it fall flat.
For Marianne it's less her character again her fanbase, some of them i've seen on reddit etc find her depression attractive in a wrong way and it kinda just messed me up seeing some of that, similar to a few bernadetta fans finding high level of anxiety attractive and both just kind of turn me off, and i consistently see this from time to time.
But for her character i've notice a running thing in her supports from C and alot of B's that she doesn't really acknowledge by fully understanding people trying to help her and it doesn't feel like much is changing until her A's and paralogue, but that's less of my issue then the section of her fanbase i unfortunately run into. That's why i put Character Wise in there since it's not all about development, but in that sense Sylvain barely changes as a person from start to finish which i find unsettling especially with his known behavior. -
14 minutes ago, Crysta said:
What is the “occasional eh” writing you’re referring to? I noticed you didn’t really elaborate on the “why” in your initial post.
Sylvain clearly states he does not like women in a few of his supports, and when this is borderline brought up in his supports with Mercedes she thinks nothing of it but gets annoyed at Lorenz for something similar. It feels oddly inconsistent to me, not to mention how we never see people treat him like garbage but more so him treating women like garbage by his Byleth supports. Since his whole story revolves around him hating crest, we barely see why outside him talking about it, but it's never shown and his problem with Miklan aka his brother seems to be the closest thing but not the main reason that we seen on screen of this besides his story of living his life being valued as an object, but it really seems that he returns the favor based on that same support. I can go on about what i mean about some of his writing is off and on in some areas.
I find it odd that he is like this with some women, but hits on the main cast prob because they don't see him as a prize.
For Marianne it's more of some of her fanbase more so then her character, with how she is looked at from time to time in a really strange way occasionally from what i see in the community. -
2 hours ago, Dandy Druid said:
I can say I like the majority of the cast of Three Houses. I thought a lot of the characters had enough going for them. The characters I'm going to name are characters I like, but find a tad overrated.
Black Eagles: Bernadetta. I really like Bernie, but I don't think her backstory justifies how annoying she can be. Peri also had a sad backstory and that doesn't really make her a better character. However, I will say Bernie is most enjoyable on the Crimson Flower path. Her character comes full circle and is genuinely enjoyable to interact with.
Blue Lions: I agree with you on Sylvain. Yes, he has his reasons for his behavior. But despite his level of self-awareness, he still actively pursues something he hates? I don't get it. Luckily it gets toned down in the timeskip and he has a nice voice to listen to. He does develop as a character, but it's a little more subtle than other characters.
Golden Deer: I'm stuck between Lysithea and Marianne, both of which I actually like. Lysithea can be mean for no reason at times. Like, she's a straight up asshole. Her supports with Ignatz and Marianne are so uncomfortable to watch because she just berates them without much to warrant it. Marianne is also a bit overrated, but I think my main problem with Marianne is not her, but her fanbase. I get a creepy feeling from them at times. Sometimes some comments about her makes me feel like they're fetishizing broken women and that just rubs me the wrong way.
Church: None of the popular members of this group are overrated.
Again, I would like to point out that I do like all these characters and see their merit. If you would like to change my mind civally, I wouldn't mind reading what you have to say.
She had a reason to explode on many chars not fully justified but a reason bar Ignatz.
on the Marianne topic.
Marianne was being extremely negative when there was a fire going on and Lysithea asked her for help, Marianne kept giving negative "i'm no use responses" and Lysithea got mad at her before leaving. Lysithea came to apologize only to have Marianne repeat the same similar things before taking off making Lysithea question why is she so negative. Lysithea came up to her asking about Animal facts for horses and Marianne gave the same response as the last 2 incidents and Lysithea exploded once again, but this time asked her to find the positivity in life in a rough way but it came across as positive/negative depending how it's taken.
In a nutshell she had a reason for Marianne, but Ignatz is prob the only one she didn't have one for.
Tbh as a character she is middling rated against the cast, and usually gets highly talked about as a unit atleast in the west, i feel like chars like
Sylvain, Felix, Marianne, Dorothea etc are ones that are rated on high pillars on characters, and seeing their flaws and occasional eh writing makes me think there's some other appeal. -
For me honestly Sylvain and Marianne.
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2 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:
Just Three Houses or does anything go?
Any FE game.
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What's your unpopular opinions?
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Gonna copy and paste a few of my old writings
Lysithea
Starting from her advice box, she feels like everyone is treating her like a kid, and asks the professor to help her make it stop. Her getting mad for being treated like a child stems from her being ruffled by it, subtracting the effort and work she puts into herself and gets offended by it. She seems to be highly insecure easily more so than someone like Ignatz, in examples of jumping the gun whenever she thinks someone is talking low to her, because who knows how many times it happened, and i grew up with a friend who had insecurities like this, and always thought we were talking bad about him because he got bullied alot in the past. It made me realize why she went after Ignatz in the first place, because Insecure people tend to put others down who have it just as bad or even worse than them. It's a common reason on how bullies are made. Seeing her try to build the moral up with Ignatz in her A that she tore down in their C and B was kind of heartwarming, same with Raphael in his A and later B.
She feels like just a very insecure young teen who has socialization issues, a few examples like Leonie, Hilda, and Catherine, as she showed problems correctly expression what she wants to say. She even comes off as strange and awkward to a few chars like Hilda after their C and Leonie in their B.
After Post, she seems to be less insecure and doesn't really jump the gun and is overall more mellow as a person. Able to talk more generally to others, have more extensive conversations with people, an example is Ferdinand in their Paralogue.
Seeing how she learns lessons about her behaviors at the end of her b support with Ignatz, with Raphael, Lorenz, Marianne, Hilda etc made me realize she is actively developing slowly out of her terrible personality traits, and that makes for good progression since most of her supports were revolving around it.
She overall became more a pretty significant person who grew out of her apparent insecurities, though she still gets mad about being called a child with people like Claude, it's more tame and different than how she reacted pre. My most favorite development based character.
My other favorites
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17 hours ago, Glennstavos said:
Lorenz is my favorite character because without him I don't think it would be possible to buy into why the people of Fodlan believe in crests and nobility. All the time you get dialogues with other characters and especially the three Lords stating plainly that a person's birth doesn't dictate their worth and that nobility ought to be abolished. And if the whole game were like that then the writers would have failed miserably with the setting of Fodlan. Then in comes our savior, Lorenz. His supports are filled to the brim with the awkwardness we never see between social classes in Fodlan. Not only does he believe every word about nobility, he STILL thinks there's merit to social classes in post-time skip. Asking Lorenz to give up nobility would be like asking any religious person to give up God. People don't accept a new world view so blindly, and certainly not when it's forced upon them. And it makes sense he would support the Empire over Claude as Edelgard never makes it known publicly what world she's intending to create. He's getting duped in a way only Lorenz could. There's also a hilarious moment near the end of Blue Lions similar to this. In the explore session, Lorenz expresses outrage that the Alliance is now part of Kingdom territory saying something like "a noble would never give up their principles so easily", to which Byleth can point out Lorenz had already set aside his principles when he rejoined our group at the brink of death. He is stunned into silence.
I can't think of a character as interesting as Lorenz Hellman Gloucester, rightful leader of the Alliance. But if I had to choose two more, I think Seteth has impressive range in his portrayal even if he's constantly relegated to mentor/foil material in supports. And...I dunno, Catherine? Her backstory is interesting yet she never dwells on it which is refreshing. I just wish we got to see her confront her family in Blue Lions but it all happens off screen.
I do love the big development characters.
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For me, it has to start with Lysithea.
She is viewed on paper as a brat who explodes for little reasons, and I had some issues with her with it. Until my 2nd GD run, I realized whyStarting from her advice box, she feels like everyone is treating her like a kid, and asks the professor to help her make it stop. Her getting mad for being treated like a child stems from her being ruffled by it, subtracting the effort and work she puts into herself and gets offended by it. She seems to be highly insecure easily more so than someone like Ignatz, in examples of jumping the gun whenever she thinks someone is talking low to her, because who knows how many times it ally happened. It made me realize why she went after Ignatz in the first place because Insecure people tend to put others down who have it just as bad or even worse than them, and it's a common reason on how bullies are made. Seeing her try to build the moral up with Ignatz in her A that she tore down in their C and B was kind of heartwarming, same with Raphael in his A and later B.
She feels like just a very insecure young teen who has socialization issues, a few examples like Leonie, Hilda, and Catherine, as she showed problems correctly expression what she wants to say. She even comes off as strange and awkward to a few chars like Hilda after their C and Leonie in their B.
After Post, she seems to be less insecure and doesn't really jump the gun and is overall more mellow as a person. Able to talk more generally to others, have more extensive conversations with people, an example is Ferdinand in their Paralogue.
Seeing how she learns lessons about her behaviors at the end of her b support with Ignatz, with Raphael, Lorenz, Marianne, Hilda etc made me realize she is actively developing slowly out of her terrible personality traits, and that makes for good progression since most of her supports were revolving around it.
She overall became more a pretty significant person who grew out of her apparent insecurities, though she still gets mad about being called a child with people like Claude, it's more tame and different than how she reacted pre.
She represents one of the people alongside people like Ignatz who have a hard time fitting in with the rest due to many restrictions that came into her life. And she gives a good rep of some of the defining traits of insecurity which was one of the major flaws she had to overcome.Edited 6 minutes ago by End of time
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I'm seeing some vague viewpoints on her depth here so I'll share why I like her personally and then I'll talk about her nonstory aspects such as her combat.
She's realistic in many traits unlike most of the cast. In her support with Ignatz, the main trigger support she gets mixed opinions on is the fact she reflected her rage on Ignatz because how everyone viewed her is how she viewed him and she came to realized she is a child and pretty much came to nicer terms with Ignatz in their A support. People do this in real life when they have issues and it generates rage which becomes to the point they reflect it on someone else
She is fast to assume people say the worst about her in terms of being devalued or called a "child" is because it happened many times and people keep praising her talents in a not straightforward way (Sylvain) raising flags of intent or not, which is why she will assume the worst of what they said and apologizes later when it is cleared up. She got mad at Marianne because she kept being nonsocial and kept saying she can't do things without trying and related to her by saying she has problems like everyone else, and up to them to try to fix them, which honestly was one of her better supports.
She comes off rude, but she has her reasons which are connecting to she wants to be grown up because she doesn't have time to enjoy that kind of future as everyone else will and I feel like she gets more mad about it because she thinks she will be stuck as one making her want to grow up as soon as possible (basically not a 3000% trope ver like Ricken in this department. My god is that kid lol in personallity but that's another time)
She has really heartwarming moments when she starts to open up to people more, Hilda, Byleth, Cyril and even shows her more childish side around Hilda, Annette, and Felix displaying she is just a child.
Lysithea had huge development as you can see her change how she talks to people and socializes with them. She later opens up to numerous people and most of her questionable traits seemed to shrink during the time skip. Her demeanor and way of talking are more adult-like and you can see this more notably in her conversations with Edelgard and Ferdinand and when she is talking to Cyril later in their supports.
Her character isn't an academy award-winning, but her development to me was easily top 4 in the game. She went from Immature and pseudo rude to mature and leaning on the nice side (She still shows some childish traits but outside the minor displays she matured significantly)
Forgot to say she's busted in combat too. She has the best magic growth in the game with extremely high offense stats with dex and spd being another high standpoint. Lysithea is the best combat mage in the game offensively outclassing Hubert, Dorothea, and Annette in this department, with the best offensive spells with Luna, Hades, Seraphim, Dark spikes being extremely strong with access to healing with faith magic, warp which she does the best.
Later down the line, she can get 5 range with Thyrsus a staff that works with the crest of Gloucester and dark magic range +1 or white magic range + 1 with S in reason magic.
She has poor growth overall with the lowest in the game, but she gets her best growth in the only places she needs it since she's a mage who should not experience being hit at all except by counter-attacks by bosses or units who can retaliate from her full range.
Overall she is a massive glass canon who will do you wonders or do you the worst depending on the team and how she is personally used.
Lysithea has mastermind so she will be able to learn skills extremely fast with that beautiful 2x rate, and has strengths in authority, reason, and faith but has weaknesses in swords, armor, lances, and axes. Once she gets her budding talent for sword she loses the sword one making it technically 3.
Character(s) that you feel bad for because their perception in the fandom
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