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18 minutes ago, Mavi251 said:
Sure, but it's far riskier to have someone like Petra/Leonie as a boss killer than units like Edelgard/F!Byleth. Almost no one except Byleth/Bernie/Edelgard and maybe Felix/combat unit of your choice are going to get a meaningful amount of combat exp. For a run like this I find that it's easier to use people who can have perform consistently with less resources and are subject to less variance. If these units fail to kill the bosses they're meant to combat then you risk being effectively soft-locked or you'll have actually complete maps the hard way, which is awful and time consuming.
I also never said PBV can't defeat fliers, just that it's more risky to use than Heavy Draw due to the possibility of getting counter-attacked. We are not worried about swordmasters or assassins because units like Byleth/Edelgard/Bernie can easily dispose of them and almost every other generic. Byleth and Edelgard handle the majority of the duel phase combat in the run. If we need to tank them then we can use Impenetrable Wall to make enemy phase 100% safe; the thing has 5 uses, use em. Leonie does have some good bases, to be fair.
"And why are worrying about Rng Screwage when Leonie has some of the better bases among the recruits?"
Because in a run like this, with minimal fighting, tutoring and leveling, units who can be more easily rng screwed are less valuable than those that're less vulnerable to it/can mitigate it easier. Only Bernie/Edel/Byleth actually reach level 30 before my run is over and only then they just barely reach it. Every level matters. Though I understand that this is subjective.
Also, amazing link. Thank you.
The Veng strat is designed to have a way to kill the endgame bosses with a unit that can reliably reach the numbers needed to defeat them without elaborate setup/planning/grinding. The calcs I did in my OP we're almost entirely based on the Paladin Class' base strength, which is a known variable that can be planned around. She takes the guess-work out of many of the defeat boss chapters in a fast run. She's also able to kill most generic with a Training Lance, look at the chapter 4 enemies in the link LoneRecon attached. A level 7 Bernie with 31 HP, 11 STR, a 50 use training lance (4MT), and a plus 3 attack battalion (Serios Mercenaries) has an attack value of 50. This is more than enough to OHK every enemy on the map except the Death Knight and is far and away from anything I'd consider "expensive", like spamming steels and silvers.
She's able to do this at a point in the game where 2-3 units are needed to kill one enemy. The value she overkill generics by only goes up as Veng scales off her Attack and HP. With a Steel lance she has an attack value of 55 and deals 37 of the DK's maximum of 46 HP. Again, she can do this at level 7. Even if we never gave her anymore exp until chapter 6 she'd still be able to OHK almost all of the generics on the map. A trained Bernie will have no trouble OHK'ing every enemy on said map. If she gets good levels she can OHK the DK too, otherwise she may need a few points of chip damage. Sure, she can only kill one enemy per turn but that's far better than units who can't kill anyone unsupported.
For the sake of argument let's assume a lot of units can in theory kill bosses like C15 Seteh. How much babying/stat boosters/levels do they need? How long will it take to get them there? Especially when compared to Bernie who can nearly kill him and a load of other bosses with her level 20 Paladin bases and a few select boosts?
I'm still looking for ways to use Ignatz, such a cool guy.
No part of my current route involves dodge tanking, if people need to absolutely need to survive then Impenetrable Wall it is. It takes the guesswork out of planning.
Alois/Shamir's paralogue can be cleared in one turn; it's a defeat boss map. I usually just have Byleth gank the boss and move on.
EP phase isn't as valuable as most people, even when trained, are at risk of dying to 2 or 3 rounds of combat on EP during a maddening mode run. Especially if you're not grinding or getting a lot of kills on paralogues; if you're playing fast then you need to have a plan to survive. Crimson Flower is super bait and switch heavy so I've honestly never had trouble with this.
ignatz has the best timeskip glow up, honestly!! i love how he got more confident post timeskip ;; and also changed his hairstyle thank god// rn I'm near the end of a church run and I've got him running crit ring/edmund troops/mini bow+ and an extra hit+20. even with access to deadeye, I'd count myself lucky to get a 3+ range hit from ashe/shamir (or bernie).
that aside though😂
not being able to survive multiple rounds of combat implies getting hit. with ingrid in particular that's never been a significant concern; by the time she has alert stance+ i'm already seeing 0% pretty often. imonit's also not fair to say bernie gets those kills completely unsupported, since the rest of the party is basically helping her get in range/escorting/etc.. her weakness in swords means i doubt she'll be hitting sword prowess lv 5 and that +hit makes a difference.
ive done all routes on maddening, cf and gd on classic so far (though tbf none of those except my 1st bl run was a fresh file). none of them had any grinding, only paralogues and the occasional ore/meat trip. re: vengeance strat, wouldn't it still be accurate to call that a kind of gimmick playstyle? ...there's probably a better word...
honestly my main disagreement is with the assertion that this tier list applies to general CF on "efficient, but not ltc" (hence "regular") play. the alois paralogue is easy to 1tk yeah, but.. most ppl aren't playing the game like that... what you're describing sounds like a playstyle with a specific goal like any other kind of (ltc/in house only/etc) run, in this case being "1hko boss"? +assumes the player has familiarity with spawns, what can do this or can't do that in [specific context] and so on.
EP not being important i suppose we shall have to disagree on haha. you're right abt maddening enemies being lethal, but if you're not using warp/rescue (and tbh even if you are), there's situations where you can't just charge in, or you can't see where enemies might be and *someone* will have to duel- possibly multiple enemies in one turn- may as well be the few units who have less than 20% chance of being hit as opposed to 50+. you don't *have* to move fast and play offensively to survive maddening classic.. you certainly can but you can also turtle through every map with smart planning; it just comes down to personal playstyle and at the end of the day the goal is to have fun, yknow?
what about rout maps with clumps of enemies that only move once in range? (that being said idr if cf even has much of that..)
enemies like the wyvern spawns in the cf nader paralogue will get around whatever blockades you try to make thanks to terrain; if something is bulky enough to take a hit without dying then they're probably slow enough to get doubled and will certainly be killed on the 2nd/3rd if they're lucky engagement. you can't play offensively on that sort of map (or marianne, leonie/lin paras off the top of my head) just bc in nader's case they're out of most units' range and also spawn infinitely every turn afaik. i can't count it out off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure lys can't warp far enough to get bernie in range (even assuming flier movement, which means no guard adjutants). she'll get swarmed and die without support, but vengeance won't be useful if she's got impenetrable wall up unless she's also using a devil weapon and at this point i think it's safe to call that non-standard play.
and same thing for p much any map with a monster boss. o:
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On 3/3/2020 at 7:14 PM, eclipse said:
I'll let this slide. . .for now. But next time, PM the staff.
ah, alright, thanks! i couldn't access that account at all though😅 sorry for the trouble.
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o: i disagree on ignatz/bernie & what's "important" and have some additional thoughts on others.
bernie: vengeance strategy is sick but way too gimmicky for my comfort. good for assassinating bosses maybe, but in general requires too much micromanaging to drop her safely into prf skill/vengeance range (and keep her there). this also assumes you have oodles of gold to maintain vengeance's 4 cost, and without ng+/dlc grinding i sure don't. also enemies like seteth can be oneshot by lys/kind of a lot of people honestly, and enemies like immaculate rhea she can't hit without being countered and obliterated.
ignatz: while i haven't looked at ignatz's actual growths, he's the only unit i trust to hit things at non arts bow knight range (i prefer sniper on shamir for hunter's volley). even with hit+20 doubled up, he struggles a bit more than I'd like without a +hit battalion. the only drawback is he doesn't get deadeye, but he does get break shot and ward arrow.
felix: this is probably kinda unconventional and ngl it was originally for "haha let's make the grumpy man dance", but... I'd honestly put forth felix as best dancer? sword avoid+relic+his naturally high avd make him close to untouchable on EP (and he'll delete anything that tries). he doesn't have to switch out of swords that often either, unlike the magic-reliant dancers.
i know that isn't a dancer's job, but if i can send my dancer to the front lines without them immediately becoming a liability... (come to think of it, i remember using lv 20 ninian/nils the same way at times lol). it also gives him access to recover and restore, though without ng+ he's probably not gonna get too far with his faith. he's basically groundlocked petra/ingrid that doesn't rely on alert stance, *but* also has dancer utility.
tangentially related but i tried this build with yuri and it's not as good (lowkey surprised at first, but makes sense thinking about it). his avoid isn't as good and he needs to switch off swords way more often. or maybe I'm just biased towards foul play/fetters lol.
fliers: alert stance+ mvp. i use petra and ingrid the same way as dancer felix. petra is bulkier and hits way harder but at the consequence of being hit more often... between them it's pretty situational who's more useful. maybe it's just that i'm shit at this game, but imo some maddening classic paralogues are close to if not straight up impossible to clear with all bonus/objectives met, without dodgetanky fliers. especially ones with protect objectives like alois/shamir and CF nader at fodlan's locket (and less so, but +fog maps as well. looking directly at you, maurice!! jerk)
thoughts in general... if you're not going for LTC/warp strategies (which i feel like this tier list is heavily biased towards as opposed to just.. mm, "regular" "efficient play") then EP presence is super important. (dancer! felix!💦) even just as bait, like again with the CF nader paralogue i have my fliers both parked in the sky with axebreaker and singlehandedly keeping most of the wyvern reinforcements away from the main group as it turtles up the center. bc they can and will 1rko pretty much everyone else.
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8 minutes ago, CatManThree said:
This should be amusing, particularly your reaction if things get really out of hand. Setting a randomizer to randomize absolutely everything, depending on the specifics you entered, can result in the game REALLY going south. To the point of getting soft or hard locked even.
god yeah, we almost had that in the dang prologue already >____< with batta and the mook both randomizing into knights... i'm on normal mode in hopes of preventing that from going too nuts though. lucius and florina seem to have randomized with really good growths and pretty much everyone lucked out with bases so far (i'm not sure if that's true rng or just me not using yune correctly tbh- shouldn't be the latter though), so here's hoping LOL.
go d it will be very entertaining for everyone but me if it does happen though LMAO
i told myself to go to bed but i opened up dorcas' map and seems like he randomized into....... karla. lore wise i'm not sure how i feel about that, given her status in fe6?? ...f....... lesbian emblem going strong though ^_^
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hey! ever since my friend showed me the yune randomizer, i've been wanting to do an fe7 run with it. i started this evening and ohh my god...
everything is set to maximum randomness. i've never done an LP before, but hopefully it'll be entertaining(?!) if there's ways i can do better, please do lemme know! please pardon the awkward first couple screenshots, i forgot there's an in-app screencap option at first LOL
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Quoteprologue: girl(?) of the plains
i always did say he was best girl!for the record, hector and eliwood became isadora and....... wallace... though i'm not sure who's supposed to be who. wallace was in the rotation right after lucius so i can only assume i'm now playing fe7: ossan edition(?)
"well how about you? what's a monk doing out here?"
checking out our boy and he's... quite fortunate, actually..? if he'd randomized into 2 less str though the prologue mook would've been literally undamageable (though batta, thankfully, was far less beastly). (=~=)
that four move though- looks like pegasus knights got neutered to just knights....
ohhh well you're forgiven. for now. off to bulgar?
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Quotech1: i woke up in an unfamiliar tent with a stranger and now it seems i've been reincarnated into a low-budget harem comedy
"is it just me, or are you gorgeous? wah... actually, you literally are just me, aren't you? has anyone told you lately you're gorgeous?"
"I SWEAR TO GODS STACY, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ME LOUISE MY MIND."
"alright let's go lesbians! let's go!"
"let me attack first!" MA'AM PLEASE COME BACK THIS ISN'T TELLIUS that 7 move though...... .. . those stats tho......
tbh shaman!kent!florina feels oddly fitting for some reason?? and actually, this is a really fortunate team... thank god sain randomized into a cleric or we'd be dead, but wow all that spd and res- all the better to kill zugu with, i guess? F in the chat
boon companion, indeed!
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Quotech2: a series of not-actually-unfortunate-but-still-rather-upsetting events
and here we happen upon eliwood out in the boonies disappointing his parents. guess he got waylaid on the way back to pherae or something LOL. well, desperate times, desperate measures...
"mr. priest sir, the mani katti is nice but dang, can i have you too?"
UUUUGGGHHHH
nothing too funky this chapter, other than florina aiming for the archer and accidentally nuking the temple wall, though that one's on me.
grab the sword, of course, it's a sword, lucius can't freaking use it. oh well, at least when he promotes??? way... way down the road... if it doesn't get rerolled.... . moving on!
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Quotech3: the time i thought i reincarnated into a low-budget harem comedy, but it turns out it's actually an interesting trope subversion where h
"what's that commotion over there?"
well that looks about right! ...and also like we're now #team lesbian/gay solidarity, n i c e
ELIWOOD I'M GLAD YOU'VE RETURNED TO THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW BUT WHAT HAPPENED- nobody did any weird experiments on you, did they? no? hair's still red, that's good...
"the protector of lovely young flowers across the land! one of which you are not, sooo uh, laters."
geez florina, i know you're annoyed with st- iii mean, louise, but leave some exp for the others would ya? it's only turn 3... and it took lucius the entire time to get to that village...
"JERK WHO STOLE MY VULNERARY, REPENT OR DIE- actually, you die either way, sorry."
"got things to do, places to be-"
"-and you ain't one of them, sorry," louise, sing another one bites the dustpacito.midi
okay, i know talking to strangers can be scary, especially if they're burly unwashed men with axes, but c'mon future marquess pherae, you gotta learn to speak up...
"WE are a band of beautiful female mercenaries!"
"-and heath!"
"................."
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thanks! tbh i'm fine with starting over, but i'm also not sure what happened at all since the email i know was tied to that account is the one i signed up with just now? peculiar... well, regardless haha
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imma be honest, it... just never occurred to me as a potential ship? 💦 now that it's mentioned tho i'm all for it if only on principle of "fuck everyone getting their on their moral high horses it's fiction",,,.
and also like, flayn can be pretty childish at times but she also has some moments where her maturity/age really shows (like right after the timeskip on routes where you have her, and she talks about war 'again'). i can kinda see how ppl would lump her with nowi, but i don't really agree... nowi's a lot older even in keet years and has an entirely different (questionably well written) loli thing going on orz kdjfjfjf// the character I think she's most comparable to is mercedes honestly... it's true that in keet years she is still p young, but trying to match that w human maturity/ages is an apples to oranges situation imo.
as an eliwood fan who also has a lotta fe7 side chara ships i can relate to the niche interest life tho😔💦
edit: i feel like the fe community on places like twitter vs reddit or here are significantly different tbh? like, I'm pretty intimately familiar with the kind of attacking op mentioned. during the fates influx of new fans in particular it got super toxic bc of corrin's family situation- anyone who shipped corrin/royals would be subject to some seriously middle school clique-y harassment shit bc ~eeewww you support incest irl, go die~~ ...ughhh......
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hi, I'm geck! i was pretty active around here in 2014, but i tried logging in and apparently my email address isn't recognized (oh well... my old account does still exist, though? 🤔weird) 😅 so here i am, haha. i was @/nine before, but pls don't @ me for anything on there i was a terribly embarassingly shitty teenager let it d i e
I've played everything legally available in eng +fe6 (and obsess over extremely niche stuff in each), but rn I'm really into 3h. god, i love yuri maybe even more than i love eliwood😩
I'm also writing this on mobile and i accidentally formatted some indents in and I'm not sure how to get rid of 'em sooo err.. yeah. anyhow, it's good to be back! o/
[Yune Randomized FE7] Lyncius, of the Lorca
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i got started on the next bit and ninian is apparently....... pent. next time on yune emblem: "how i met your mother"