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I don't expect this to happen at all, but I they were to release a sequel/prequel/sidequel 776 to Engage with a new round of Emblems, who would get into the base game under the stipulations that no character who was an Emblem in the previous game can repeat their role, and like in Engage it needs to be one Emblem from each game in the series? (Ephraim does not count for the first stipulation since he was barely even an Emblem in Engage).

Basically, give me another 12 Emblems that you think are the most noteworthy or would be the most interesting to use.

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29 minutes ago, Imuabicus der Fertige said:

We kinda had a topic for this methinks?

Boom, found it.

Gonna say Naga, cuz I find me idea damn neat nods to self.

That was a general creation topic more focused on skills and stuff. My intent here is to see who people think are the most important secondary characters from their casts. Some would be obvious, most people would probably say Alm should get in from Shadows of Valentia for example, while others have less obvious candidates.

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Oh, my thread. So nice to see it again.

Though it wasn't for that. It was more like "make any character a Emblem" free for all. I think the closest we had to "make an Emblem roster" was this:

But it was to "complete" the DLC Emblem set to match the numbers of the main game.

Anyway, what criteria would be used for this? Engage itself basically went:

> Has to be the main lead or a lead if more than one

> Has to be balanced with six men and six women

So are we doing this all over again? And I take it the DLC Emblems are also out.

Alright, here it goes:

- Caeda (though to be honest, Kris would likely get in over her, in which case: Female Kris)
- Alm
- Seliph
- Nanna
- Lilina
- Eliwood
- Ephraim
- Elincia
- Sothe
- Female Robin
- Male Corrin
- Female Byleth

I'll have to owe the explanation for the choices for now. It's getting quite late over here.

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2 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Ah! A loophole I didn't anticipate!

Ahaha, yeah.

To be honest, since DLC added Chrom, Male Robin, and the House Lords, it kinda left no one else for options.

If DLC didn't count, I could put Chrom and change Male Corrin for Azura.

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1 hour ago, Acacia Sgt said:

Ahaha, yeah.

To be honest, since DLC added Chrom, Male Robin, and the House Lords, it kinda left no one else for options.

If DLC didn't count, I could put Chrom and change Male Corrin for Azura.

Shez could be a surprising but workable pick for Fodlan.

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Time for the rise of the old man emblems with an all Jagen and Gotoh (but mostly Jagen) roster suggestion 😛 

FE1/11: Jagen

FE2/15:Mycen

FE4: Oifey

FE5: Eyvel

FE6: Marcus

FE7: Athos

FE8: Seth

FE9: Titania

FE10: Sothe

FE13: Fredrick

FE14: Gunter

FE16: Jeralt (yes I am fudging in a green unit in because Three Houses structures its recruit very poorly)

With a secret 13th Emblem from Engage being Vander 😛 

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7 hours ago, Jotari said:

Shez could be a surprising but workable pick for Fodlan.

I did considered Shez, but since Engage only kept to main games (Veronica being the exception, but she's DLC anyway), I went for the same. Well, they can be among this new game's DLC, easily.

Anyway, gonna make a tweak to my list:

- Male Kris
- Alm
- Seliph
- Nanna
- Lilina
- Eliwood
- Ephraim
- Elincia
- Sothe
- Female Robin
- Azura
- Female Byleth

And as I mentioned, the explanations, including for the tweak.

- Alm, Seliph, Eliwood, Ephraim, Female Robin, and Female Byleth are a given. As any other lead is already in Engage. OP already granted an exception for Ephraim to be chosen again, since he too much of a non-entity in Engage, makes you wonder why they even bothered.

- Much I think Caeda would deserve the spot, I had forgotten Kris is a thing, and they are an actual co-lead to Marth, as it were. The only Avatar that did not get in Engage, likely since they could reach twelve without them. Went for Male Kris due to the other change a bit below.

- Thraccia doesn't really have someone playable who could be a co-lead to Leif. Mostly due to permadeath, but still. As it is, went for Nanna since she is for all intents and purposes the designated Heroine. Even if, again, not much is really shown in-game. Same logic applies to Lilina and Elincia, and also why I initially chose Caeda too.

- As with above, I chose Sothe for more or less the same reason. He's the co-lead to Micaiah.

- Without reusing Corrin again as their Male Counterpart, Azura is the only other neutral lead figure that Fates has. Yes, it'd mean no Corrin, but if Engage could forgo one Avatar, then I can do the same. Azura is why I chose Male Kris, to keep it 6-6 in terms of men-women balance.

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This may seem like kind of a cop-out, but I could see the DLC Bracelets filling up a few slots since we already have the concept of bracelets.

Tiki, Alm, Seliph, Eyvel, Hector, Lilina, Ephiram/Eirika, Soren, Elincia, Chrom/Robin, Camilla, Dimitri/Edelgard/Claude, and

Spoiler

Veyle

. That last one would obviously have to depend on timeline stuff.

But if they all had to be new, I would say: Male Kris, Alm, Seliph, Eyvel, Lilina, Eliwood, Ephiram, Elincia, Sothe, Female Robin, Azura, Sothis, and

Spoiler

Veyle

 

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Once again, my love for theorycrafting overwhelms my antipathy for Engage.

1. Shiida. She brings the legendary forged Wing Spear!

2. Alm. Wild that he wasn't even a DLC pick.

3. Julia. Yep, Seliph misses out once again to the premier final bosskill.

4. Finn. Who ever said one blue-haired horse boy from Jugdral was enough?

5. Lilina. The only other FE6 unit, aside from Roy, who gets 10 supports.

6. Eliwood. Finally, the whole trio has made it!

7. Myrrh. She's decently story-relevant, and this series loves its dragon girls.

8. Elincia. The most important Tellius rep who hasn't yet made it.

9. Skrimir. There are no Emblem Rings with a laguz? Unforgivable!

10. Morgan (F). Like Eirika, she could "switch" with Morgan (M).

11. Takumi. Some BR rep to balance out Camilla, and of course, a Bow user!

12. Seteth. Would represent Silver Snow, and I love his portrayal.

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  • Shadow Dragon -- Obvious choices: Caeda, Kris. Off-beat choices: Jagen, Gotoh, Nagi.
  • Gaiden/SoV -- Obvious choice: Alm. Off-beat choices: The Whitewings (all in one ring), Mycen, Zeke
  • Genealogy/Thracia/Binding Blade -- I've not played them, so no opinions
  • Blazing Blade -- Obvious choice: Eliwood. Offbeat choices: Nils/Ninian, Pent, Merlinus, Mark
  • Sacred Stones -- Obvious choice: Ephraim. Offbeat choices: Myrrh, Seth
  • Path of Radiance -- Obvious choice: Elincia. Offbeat choices: Titania, Reyson, Mist, Ranulf
  • Radiant Dawn -- Obvious choices: Sothe, Tibarn. Offbeat choices: Kurthnaga, Black Knight, Skrimir, Pelleas
  • Awakening -- Obvious choices: None. They've all been taken already. Offbeat choices: Frederick, Tharja, Morgan, Lissa.
  • Fates -- Obvious choices: Azura, Takumi (or any other royal, really). Offbeat choices: Jakob/Felicia, Kana.
  • Three Houses -- Obvious choice: Rhea. Offbeat choices: Seteth, Sothis, Shez.

(Not including the gender-flipped versions of characters that we already have, which are super obvious choices if they're allowed.)

So I'm having two final lists:

  • The boring list: Caeda, Alm, Eliwood, Ephraim, Elincia, Tibarn, Lissa, Azura, Rhea.
  • The silly list: Gotoh, The Whitewings, Merlinus, Myrrh, Reyson, Pelleas, Lissa, Jakob+Felicia, Sothis.

(Optional addition: move Merlinus to be the Binding Blade representative, and then Blazing Blade can have Mark instead.)

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For the base game:

Shadow Dragon/(New) Mystery of the Emblem: Caeda
Echoes: Alm
Genealogy of the Holy War: Seliph
Thracia 776: Nanna
Binding Blade: Lilina
Blazing Blade: Eliwood
Sacred Stones: Innes/Tana in the same vein as Eirika/Ephraim
Path of Radiance: Elincia
Radiant Dawn: Sothe
Awakening: Female Robin
Fates: Male Corrin
Three Houses: Female Byleth

For DLC:

Male Kris + Female Kris, Ninian + Nils, Mist, Lissa, Takumi, Seteth, and Alfonse + Sharena
Same number of DLC Emblems as Engage, from the same games as the original DLC Emblems, and with enough of them being multiple characters in one to bring the number of total characters to 10 just like the original DLC.

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Just doing the avatar genders that got skipped is kinda boring so I'll not do that. DLC emblems are also banned from my lists. 

Shadow Dragon: Caeda

That's pretty much the obvious candidate. With Marth and Tiki already taken she emerges as the closest thing Archenea has to a main character. Perhaps a ''seduce'' mechanic could be fun to reference Caeda's milkshake bringing all the recruitable characters to the yard. 

Echoes: Alm

Same as with Caeda. Just the super duper obvious pick. Choosing Celica over him was always logical to balance the gender and weapon divide, but with most lords out of the running that's no longer a problem.

FE4: Arvis

I think Seliph would just be a repeat of his dad. So instead we can have Arvis as the Emblem. He's an antagonist but not strictly villainous so he can still be on the heroes side. 

Tracia: Ced

You know, lets give Ced a chance. He's kind of a big deal in Tracia and he's a good representative for the magic users. I think perhaps wind related shenanigans can be fun Emblem powers.

Binding Blade: Lilina

Binding Blade didn't treat her as a secondary protagonist but in retrospect she has kinda grown to be one. If largely because of her dad...

Blazing Blade: Ninian/Nils

Not Eliwood surprisingly. He might be the last of the trio not yet in the game, but I don't think Eliwood adds anything Roy and Marth don't already do. So instead we can go for the duo who are next in line of importance, and who can also be representative for the dragon/dancer classes. Like the House leaders they could have a swapping mechanic with it sometimes being Ninian, and sometimes being Nils. 

Sacred Stones Lyon

Like Arvis I think he'd be more interesting then just doing one of the twins, and he's also quite the popular guy. A risk and reward mechanic could be fun, with Lyon being able to summon and boost power, but that exposing your unit too long to his effects leads to debuffs or even demonic posession.

Path of Radiance: The Black Knight.

Ike, Soren and Michy are already in, and the most iconic unit after them is the Black Knight. It would be pretty cool if Engaging with him gives units gigantic armor like BK has. 

RD: Elincia

Radiant Dawn's Elincia is very deserving of the honor. 

Awakening: Chrom.

I don't think he's an interesting add.....but I don't think there's a better option either. I suppose either Frederick or Lissa could theoretically work. 

Fates: Takumi

After Corrin one can argue Takumi is arguably one of the more important Fates characters. He's the character with the longest arc, and is even the final boss in one route. Takumi's also popular enough to get away from stealing a spot from the older brothers. 

Three Houses: Shez

Rhea is an alternative candidate but I think Hopes and Shez were well received enough to deserve the honor. Character interactions would likely be lots more fun with Shez as well.

 

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40 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

 Caeda

That's pretty much the obvious candidate. With Marth and Tiki already taken she emerges as the closest thing Archenea has to a main character.

While I can see the logic of Caeda (and Kris), I'm going to toss out Nyna as another name who can take the title of Archanea main character after Marth. She gets a lot more story focus than Caeda and was the protagonist of two different Archanea Saga chapters. Unfortunately she was kidnapped by a dragon for all of book 2, but Engage has already shafted Mystery of the Emblem.

40 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Path of Radiance: The Black Knight.

Ike, Soren and Michy are already in, and the most iconic unit after them is the Black Knight. It would be pretty cool if Engaging with him gives units gigantic armor like BK has. 

Still no knife wielding Emblem. R.i.p So the (you are right though, he is definitely one of the most iconic Tellius characters, maybe even ahead of Micaiah if we include non Fire Emblem fans)

40 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

RD: Elincia

Radiant Dawn's Elincia is very deserving of the honor. 

It is funny how RD Elincia gets about as much focus as Blazing Blade Lyn, considering they both have their presence regulated to their own, largely unrelated, sub story. Yet Lyn has run wild with her popularity while Elincia is still pretty much a C Lister in terms of series popularity. I blame Tibarn for stealing her army in Part 4.

40 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Awakening: Chrom.

I don't think he's an interesting add.....but I don't think there's a better option either. I suppose either Frederick or Lissa could theoretically work.

 

(Chrom was DLC in Engage).

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1 hour ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Wasn't he just Robin's backpack?

I can't directly remember which one if them takes priority in the game, they were certainly treated then more equally than poor Ephraim. Serenes' Engage page lists Chrom with Robin as the backpack and the DLC chapter is listed as The Shepard Exalt.

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On 10/23/2024 at 3:59 PM, lenticular said:
  • The silly list: Gotoh, The Whitewings, Merlinus, Myrrh, Reyson, Pelleas, Lissa, Jakob+Felicia, Sothis.

I am glad someone else had the guts to make a fun list like mine as well, and the choice of the Whitewings as a trio is inspired.

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Would it? Feels like an obvious choice to put them all together.

Though speaking of trios, if I were to entertain the idea of a DLC roster for this as well, and one had to be a trio like the House Leaders, I was thinking on Gray+Tobin+Kliff. DLC Emblems seem to follow a general rule that they have to be someone close to their corresponding mainline Emblem. In this case, they'd be Alm's bros. But why they? Well, they're a representation of the potential of the Villager class. Since SoV itself implies that Gray favors the sword, Tobin the bow, and Kliff magic. They branch out from the same source into different directions as befitting their starting class. So it's fitting to put them all together, I think.

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Sort of off topic, but:

I fail to see the point of making a new Engage just to show off characters who haven't been seen yet, especially when those we did see in Engage 1 each had the charm and personality of a pin cushion. For that matter, Engage is the third "legacy characters game" of its kind in the series, with Warriors 1 and Heroes coming before it. What justified Heroes and Engage after Warriors 1 came out? Well, they obviously don't play the same.

So then, the right question would be "What's the new angle?" rather than who are the new characters. In Engage you gained powers from the old cast members, like their abilities and special weapons. So to top that, you could...custom build your own emblem-mons by fusing human beings in eldritch abomination fashion?

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2 hours ago, Hrothgar777 said:

I fail to see the point of making a new Engage just to show off characters who haven't been seen yet, especially when those we did see in Engage 1 each had the charm and personality of a pin cushion. For that matter, Engage is the third "legacy characters game" of its kind in the series, with Warriors 1 and Heroes coming before it. What justified Heroes and Engage after Warriors 1 came out? Well, they obviously don't play the same.

I suppose Engage did do character cameos the worst. Ultimately they are just plot devices rather then actual characters. A lot of personalities for the Emblems also weren't really on point. Hector, Lyn, Michy and Veronica all acting wildly different then they are supposed to. Though Heroes kinda struggles with that aspect too.

As for what would justify Heroes after Warriors. Well...the original warriors being a bad crossover would be the key reason why. Heroes has the whole series while Warriors just had Fates/Awakening, a pity bone thrown to Archenea and a very strong message that the rest of the franchise absolutely wasn't welcome at the party. 

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3 hours ago, Hrothgar777 said:

Sort of off topic, but:

I fail to see the point of making a new Engage just to show off characters who haven't been seen yet, especially when those we did see in Engage 1 each had the charm and personality of a pin cushion. For that matter, Engage is the third "legacy characters game" of its kind in the series, with Warriors 1 and Heroes coming before it. What justified Heroes and Engage after Warriors 1 came out? Well, they obviously don't play the same.

So then, the right question would be "What's the new angle?" rather than who are the new characters. In Engage you gained powers from the old cast members, like their abilities and special weapons. So to top that, you could...custom build your own emblem-mons by fusing human beings in eldritch abomination fashion?

I would not exactly be jumping for joy if they announced he next game were Engage 2. I made this thread more to see who people think are the most prominent characters that got shafted the first time and any potentially fun and creative rosters people could come up with.

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8 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said:

Would it? Feels like an obvious choice to put them all together.

Though speaking of trios, if I were to entertain the idea of a DLC roster for this as well, and one had to be a trio like the House Leaders, I was thinking on Gray+Tobin+Kliff. DLC Emblems seem to follow a general rule that they have to be someone close to their corresponding mainline Emblem. In this case, they'd be Alm's bros. But why they? Well, they're a representation of the potential of the Villager class. Since SoV itself implies that Gray favors the sword, Tobin the bow, and Kliff magic. They branch out from the same source into different directions as befitting their starting class. So it's fitting to put them all together, I think.

Alright, I think I have been inspired to make a Trio Emblem roster after this, and while I am tempted to just steal the ones people (or the DLC) have already laid out for me (White Wings, Villager Trio, Three Houses Lords) for the sake of creativity I will choose others, and I will add some commentary on my choices in italics

FE1/F11 (In actuality FE12): The Axey Boy Trio: Barst, Bord, and Cord. My love of the triangle attack shows through here, with the choice of adding in one of the more unique triangle attacks New Mystery added to the franchise

FE2/FE15: Vengeful Pirate Hunters: Valibar, Leon, and Kamui I was tempted to make a mirror of the village boy suggestion using Mae, Boey, and Genny, but I think I like this trio better, as they don't feel like they are lacking with Celica's absence

FE4: Bonds of the Fathers: Seliph, Ares, and Leif I was very tempted to have this be the fathers instead, but there is something touching about the way they tie their bonds back to love, and wishes their fathers shared in their endings. I guess there is also the temptation to use one of Genealogies enemy only triangle attacks for their trio, but those nobodies are too obscure, plus being enemy only dissuaded me from the idea

FE5: Dandelions, the Noble Thieves: Pahn, Trude, and Salem I considered having the Fiana Freeblade with Eyvel, Othin, and Halvan as my trio for this game, but I think this is a more interesting option as a deeper cut

FE6: The Ostian Knights: Bors, Barth, and Gwendolyn Another iconic triangle attack that skirts past the cliche of the pegasisters. I just couldn't help myself

FE7: The Lycian Lords: Eliwood, Lyn, and Hector That two of them were already emblems almost dissuaded me from using this most iconic of trios, but both thoughts I had for the FE4 option would be including an old emblem (either Sigurd or Leif), so having more of them here felt alright.

FE8: The True Light and Glory of the Sacred Realm of Rausten: L'archel, Dozla, and Rennac I admit, I looked up a quote for the trio name, and it is probably too long, but I had to include some ridiculous title for L'archel's trio of light and justice

FE9: A Band of Brothers: Oscar, Boyd, and Rolf With how spoiled for choice I found Radiant Dawn to be, it really took me a while to find a fitting trio for this game, but alas I just had to remember its obscure triangle attack, the bow triangle attack to find my iconic trio for this game.

FE10: Kings of the Laguz Alliance: Caineghis, Tibarn, and Naesala I must admit I was tempted to have this be the Laguz kings with TIbarn, Caineghis, and Deghinsea, but that would be cheating Naesala of his crown, and the masculine word is the only way to deny Nailah as well. Limiting it to the Laguz Alliance is a cleaner trio, although it would have been fun to have one Beast, one Bird, and one Dragon. Although there were a lot of other trios I could have gone with for this game due to the massive and oddly linked roster

FE13: The Exalted Family: Chrom, Lissa, and Emmeryn Honestly, it was tough to find a group that really felt like a trio for this game, but this trio of siblings makes for a solid group, even if one feels more like a green unit.

FE14: Branches of Fate: Xander, Ryoma, and Azura I wanted to capture the split paths with this trio, as the two princes who duel each other over Corrin's Fate, with Azura as the option we flee with to Valla. The multiverse nature of the trio would make for an interesting dynamic between them, as each is from a different version of Fates...

FE16: The Remaining Saints: Rhea, Seteth, and Flayn Avoiding the DLC option was difficult as they are the perfect trio for this game, plus beyond those three, it is rather difficult to find another interesting trio, but I think this one fits. Poor Wind Caller and The Immovable get cut out of the group due to remaining dragons instead of humanish like this tiro.

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7 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said:

FE4: Bonds of the Fathers: Seliph, Ares, and Leif I was very tempted to have this be the fathers instead, but there is something touching about the way they tie their bonds back to love, and wishes their fathers shared in their endings. I guess there is also the temptation to use one of Genealogies enemy only triangle attacks for their trio, but those nobodies are too obscure, plus being enemy only dissuaded me from the idea

FE5: Dandelions, the Noble Thieves: Pahn, Trude, and Salem I considered having the Fiana Freeblade with Eyvel, Othin, and Halvan as my trio for this game, but I think this is a more interesting option as a deeper cut

As far as Cipher is concerned, Banba, Folta and Eriu are more nobodies than Trude is...and to be fair, they probably do exhibit more character than he does...and now you're enticing me to make an Emblem roster of the most interesting minor boss characters.

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On 10/23/2024 at 6:48 AM, Acacia Sgt said:

Though it wasn't for that. It was more like "make any character a Emblem" free for all. I think the closest we had to "make an Emblem roster" was this:

Ooh, a mention! Suavemente! Anyway, let me take a crack at this:

FE1: Caeda. An obvious choice, but even if Kris was on the table I think M!Kris is more popular? -> Flying Sword/ Lance User.
FE2: Alm. Who else could it be?! -> Sword/ Archer
FE4: Seliph. I admit I don't know much about Jugdral, but he could have a niche as the only sword-locked Emblem... if that's worth celebrating?
FE5: Nanna. -> Sword/ Staff
FE6: Lilina. -> Magic
FE7: Eliwood. I really like @Etrurian emperor's idea of a Ninian/ Nils pair, but Eliwood's suffered enough. -> (Cavalry?) Sword/ Lance
FE8: Lyon. I was torn between Myrrh and Lyon: Myrrh is a flying Manakete and a major character, but Lyon is more important to FE8 despite also being the antagonist. He completes the Eirika/ Ephraim trio though, so hopefully that justifies his inclusion among other Lords. -> Magic, possibly a Summoner similar to Lyn.
FE9: Elincia. -> Flying Sword/ Staff
FE10: Sothe. FEH considers him a Lord and he'd be our only "primarily" Dagger Emblem. -> Daggers
FE13: F!Morgan + M!Morgan. I'm taking @Shanty Pete's 1st Mate's idea for this one. F!Morgan would be the "face" of the pair but they'd tag in and out a la the 3H Bracelet. -> Sword/ Magic.
FE14: Azura. -> Lance/ Singer
FE16: Yuri. 3H doesn't have daggers itself, but he could have Dagger proficiency to reference him using them in Heroes. I would have put Rhea here, but cutting her and Myrrh gives us a 6:6 gender split. -> Sword/ Dagger

Of course this still leaves the issue of too many Swords and the Dagger Emblems cost any Axe representation. Maybe F!Morgan could get an Axe to reference her Fallen alt?

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