grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I'm pretty sure the differences only show in-battle.I'll have to experiment now. EDIT: No, it does show up in the combat screen. EDIT 2: Not getting bonuses from both Marth and Ogma, but rather just one bonus. Going to page Vincent ASM about this. Who, Barst and Cord? They should still be getting bonuses among eachother right? It's not working even in battle. The cavs support Marth and he supports back, how is it one bonus? *confused* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 I suspect that support bonuses don't actually stack, and the support page on Serenes Forest says nothing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I suspect that support bonuses don't actually stack, and the support page on Serenes Forest says nothing about it. That could be the case. If that's the case, then at least terrain will have a use outside of helping out early and generally being insulting later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 According to VincentASM, supports *do* stack, but he hasn't tested them with Marth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 According to VincentASM, supports *do* stack, but he hasn't tested them with Marth. *banging head against a wall* something's wrong here x.x Well what-the-hell-ever. Lessee.... I'm going to guess Shiida's in freaking high tier for the assload of people she supports and her speed with the wing spear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) I'm going to guess Shiida's in freaking high tier for the assload of people she supports and her speed with the wing spear?Not her supports, but the wing spear and speed.She's barely even taking EXP from having utility either. Edited March 11, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Shiida's offense against the toughest enemies is sky high with just Wing Spear, pretty much no matter what level she's at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Right, so using her is advised? Because a lot of these positions are just willy-nilly of periods of greatness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) The evidence is killing me. what evidence is required? This is common knowledge. Ogma is only even close to where he is for his epic earlygame. Then he starts falling from Clint Eastwood/Michael Keaton/God/whatever tier at the top implying epic ooberness to like, upper mid. I think Vyland is this low for similar reasons as Ward is in FE6: availability is nice only if you don't suck. If you do, then you are being a detriment for a long time. then I guess Hardain needs to go to like, low mid or low. He's only ever wtfpwning Vyland at jointime. also, comparing Ward to Vyland is...well, I won't even go there. anyway 6/0 Vyland: 23 HP, 6 str, 8 AS, 8 def base Linde: 18 HP, 2 mag, 7 spd, 3 def ....Right. Vyland is winning durability by a ridiclious amount. Linde wins offense at the time being only for Aura. Once that's gone, which will be fairly soon since she's reliant on it NOT to do epic fail damage and it only has 25 uses... 10/0 Vyland: 25 HP, 8 str, 10 AS, 8 def 6/0 Linde [...and tbh I question this]: 20 HP, 4 mag, 8 AS, 3 def ...This went from major offense vs major durability and major move leads to just a minor offense lead. Vyland with Javelin: ...with weapon rank factored in, probably 16 atk Linde with Blizza: 11 atk, 12 if she has C magic which I doubt vs 7 def 0 (1) res archers: Vyland: 9 dmg Linde: 10 (11) dmg ...you know, they actually roughly tie since Vyland is going to melee an archer. vs 9 (10) def 0 (1) res cav: Vyland: 6 dmg Linde: 10 (11) dmg ...but Vyland has ridersbane vs 8 def 4 res Sniper: Vyland: 8 dmg Linde: 7 dmg ..lawl. Vyland wins damage even with javelin. armors...well, yeah, she wins by a margin there. But Vyland has armorslayer, and Linde doesn't even DOUBLE the armors, and they have 37-41 HP, meaning she roughly FOUR ROUNDS THEM. what, you wanted proof? with Blizza her AS goes down to 6. armors have 4 (5) AS. There's no way that compensates for not eating counters. Some of them even have javelins, nullifying her one advantage. Theives with 3 def: Vyland: 14 dmg Linde: 11 dmg ...Know something? I'd go as far to say that Vyland wins offense now, too. This situation went from debatable to raep as soon as Aura wore out. I'm going to guess Shiida's in freaking high tier for the assload of people she supports and her speed with the wing spear? and epic earlygame Edited March 11, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Vyland BS Yeeeaaaahh, that's great and all, but someone missed two things. 1. Vyland doesn't start with this weapon rank for EITHER of those slayer weapons he'd love to have, especially at his start when he royally sucks balls Hardin's specifically . He's getting stomped right out the door, and will take him a bit to get better. It takes him a while to pick up, but his situation is weird. His whole offense is based on his great speed and slayer weapons. With a D in lances and an E in swords. He needs to work for the ridersbane, but he has to REALLY work for an armorslayer. His durability isn't too great either. He won't eat quad brave attacks later, but he's still taking quite some damage, along with how bad he is until he gets his weapon rank up to use those ridersbanes and ESPECIALLY armorslayers. Linde on the other hand has a right to cop out to healer because she has actual magic. She levels quicker this way anyways to get to where she needs quicker and more importantly not exposing her to danger, since that's her worst aspect anyways. "BUT AURA-" Like Merric with Excalibur? and epic earlygame Can't argue with that though, she's damned helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 1. Vyland doesn't start with this weapon rank for EITHER of those slayer weapons he'd love to haveThen it's a good thing he gets six chapters to get a C rank to compare to Linde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 . Vyland doesn't start with this weapon rank for EITHER of those slayer weapons he'd love to have, he's got 10 chapters that's plenty of time. Armorslayer may be pushing it but you saw how bad Linde was doing against them anyway. His durability isn't too great either. it beats the living piss out of Linde's "BUT AURA-" Like Merric with Excalibur? .....Uhhhh... are you.... You really.... Did you seriously just.... Are you honestly implying Merric is even half as dependent on his personal weapon as Linde is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 he's got 10 chaptersthat's plenty of time. Armorslayer may be pushing it but you saw how bad Linde was doing against them anyway. it beats the living piss out of Linde's .....Uhhhh... are you.... You really.... Did you seriously just.... Are you honestly implying Merric is even half as dependent on his personal weapon as Linde is? We all know he goes healer, and that's my point. Neither need their tomes, so she doesn't care going offense until she has the speed. She levels faster and easier as a healer, so...Seriously, I'd be dumb to think Maric depends on Excalibur. Linde only really needs it later on when she has greater magic. On the other hand, Vyland is dependent on slayer weapons. Her defense blows with great offense(later) and healing(always a nice thing, can still do so at promotion). His offense blows and depends on slayer weapons, being better than most with them but having no easy way to get them as he gets his ass kicked early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 On the other hand, Vyland is dependent on slayer weapons. then it's a damn good thing they just became buyable, plus we get the silver card in this chapter so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 then it's a damn good thing they just became buyable, plus we get the silver card in this chapter so You mean the Jiol chapter? Well I'm glad we waited that long for it, considering Vyland has been laughable the whole ride so far... On the other hand, Linde can just be using heal staves to keep your party bolstered with Merric in the mean time, steadily building up that magic and speed...She doesn't grow into Merric of course, but that's why she's in Low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) considering Vyland has been laughable the whole ride so far... Elice, Boa, even freaking Ricard is above him. You don't think that's overdoing it just a LITTLE? even Matthis is Edited March 11, 2009 by Vyland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Elice, Boa, even freaking Ricard is above him. You don't think that's overdoing it just a LITTLE?even Matthis is Elice, Boa and Ricard is a bit overdoing it (seriously, how is rickard not close to bottom of the list?), but Linde at least has something benefiting to her. Vyland is dependent on weapons he not only has to wait for before they're widely available, but needs to build the weapon rank to even use one (the armorslayer he STILL might not be able to use by then, not to mention using swords whenever would make his already bad offense even worse). Linde at least comes to heal and actually benefits from the fast leveling with her existing growths in magic and growing decent speed. The weapons also don't allow him good offense on units not on horses too (and later armors, after painfully building up his sword rank from a pitiful E AND with his bad strength). Matthis...someone explained it to me earlier, it had something to do with a better start and being a Dragon knight with his tankiness allows him to avoid being quad hit by the enemy for a while so he's absorbing quite a bit of damage. Vyland's lategame is better than him, but Matthis is doing better the rest. They could explain it better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) Vyland > Linde is a clear win in my eyes. Having to depend on Horseslayers > having to depend on Aura. I'm much more interested in Vyland vs. Machis. EDIT: I forgot about Cleric Linde, but I'll keep Vyland above her for now until we know how well Cleric Linde actually works. Edited March 11, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) what evidence is required? This is common knowledge. Ogma is only even close to where he is for his epic earlygame. Then he starts falling from Clint Eastwood/Michael Keaton/God/whatever tier at the top implying epic ooberness to like, upper mid. Common knowledge or not, you simply made a completely random claim that wasn't backed up in the slightest. Don't claim something without backing up your point with evidence. Edited March 11, 2009 by Tino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) Vyland > Linde is a clear win in my eyes. Having to depend on Horseslayers > having to depend on Aura.I'm much more interested in Vyland vs. Machis. EDIT: I forgot about Cleric Linde, but I'll keep Vyland above her for now until we know how well Cleric Linde actually works. ...Did we suddenly forget about her going healer? His terribad earlygame? The fact she actually has speed as a bishop? The fact she has offense on other things not riding a pony or not clad in heavy armor? Looking at her now actually, I see her speed is 5% better as a bishop and would prefer going sage, but it's only a point more in magic. Still, no one else can use Aura anyways except for...Lena...after getting the rank up that high...but it's the faster leveling Linda would be thinking about. EDIT: Woops, didn't notice the EDIT. Ignore the bitching about forgetting the whole healer thing. Edited March 11, 2009 by Grandjackal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Common knowledge or not, you simply made a completely random claim that wasn't backed up in the slightest. Ogma is pwnage earlygame. Latergame, not so much. Things that are obvious shouldn't need explanation, or proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Yes, they do. You're debating. Your arguments are valid once you've actually backed them up. Or if another person proves your random claim wrong, then your arguments are suddenly invalid. In other words, your claim means nothing until you actually back it up with evidence. Also, Doga is totally the best unit in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ogma is pwnage earlygame. Latergame, not so much. Things that are obvious shouldn't need explanation, or proof. I think he's saying he'd like numbers. Chapter 14 Cav: 35 (36) HP 27 (2 atk 103 (104) hit 10 (11) AS 9 (10) def 0 (1) res Ogma as a fighter with a couple earlygame merc levels at...level 15? HP: 37, Strength: 13, Skill: 7.6, Speed: 11.5, Luck: 7.4, Defense: 5.8, Maybe a...C in axes? Not doubling, the enemy is doing 22 damage to him, and he ain't doing much in return... Armor 37 HP 27 atk silver lance, 26 horseslayer, 25 jav 103 (104) hit all 4 (5) AS 12 def 1 res Doubling, but still eating one hell of a counter, might even get hit with a jav without retaliating weakly with a hand-axe. Thief 7: 28 HP 21 atk 109 hit 17 AS 3 def Wow, talk about heavy damage return with doubling. Boss: Jiol 48 HP 30 atk 103 hit 9 AS 16 def 3 res Lol, can't double Jiol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 Fighter is a temporary investment, not a permanent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Fighter is a temporary investment, not a permanent one. Ok, replace defense problems with weaker offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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