Pairings

[Big Klingy]

I normally stay away from forums like these, for reasons I'd rather not go into. But I want to help as much as I can.

Firstly, as you seem to be a first time player, I would not advise making any pairings that are a pain in the ass to do. I.e. Fin/Lechesis and Levin/Tiltyu. Well, not unless you do massive research into the loves system and plan WAY ahead. (which, IMO, kinda ruins a first time playthrough)

Don't listen to anyone who says there's only one way to pair everyone that's far superior to everyone else. That may work for ranked or highly compettitive runs, but if you're playing for the first time, the most important thing is to make pairings that are at least decent, immerse yourself in the story and just have fun playing. For that reason, I'd recommend you choose out of these pairings, prioritising those that are the easiest to make. (marked with a *) (except for Brigget)

Edain/Midale(*) or Jumuka (if you can spare a pursuit ring)

Ayra/Lex(*), Holyn, Noish, Jamuka or Dew (but any non-magic user who isn't Alec will work, just make sure you don't get her subs!!)

Lachesis/Beowulf(*) or Fin (but avoid Fin on your first time playing! You don't want to have to put in that much effort this early in the game)

Sylvia/Claude(*) or Death (really, those are your only two choices, on ANY playthrough)

Fury/Levin(*!) or Claude or Noish if you're pairing Levin with Tiltyu

Tiltyu/Azel(*) or Levin

Brigget/Jumuka, Dew or Holyn (she's jut about the only one where you DON'T want to go for her easy pairings)

Again, don't worry about which are better than the others on your first time playing. After you beat the game once, come back and look at these topics, (the 'reasonable pairings' topic has some good discussion) and try out the pairings you didn't do the first time that look interesting. Try to make different pairings on each playthrough. By doing so, you can find the ones that work for you. For example, there's a lot of controversy over which Levin pairing is better. (I'm a LevinSety fan myself) The only way to really know which you, personally, like more is to try both out. Always try to form your own opinion, rather than be influenced purely by others.

On a final note, make sure you don't have Alec talk to Sylvia in Chapter 2 unless you're planning on killing her!!

[PuffPuff]

Sylvia

Again, how does that do anything productive? Corple doesn't get any nifty staves passed down to him and Leen goes from sucking at combat to sucking at combat.

Don't forget..useless skills that a dancer does not need whatsoever. Prayer. lol

Azel/Tiltyu and Fury/Levin are easier pairings. If you aren't experienced, I recommend those even though Tiltyu/Levin is a better pairing. If you aren't cheating or very well aware of how the pairing system works, odds are you won't even properly pair Fury and Claude or Tiltyu and Levin.

Better watch out for Sylvia. You may want to off her in Chapter 4, since she will get alot of love points in that Chapter, so that slut doesn't steal Levin's heart. As a matter of fact, this is probably the only way that you can make this pairing. If you want Sylvia back, you can revive her later in Chapter 5.

She gets pursuit upon promotion. She'll gain as much exp without pursuit in battle and saves a use of her weapon per round. Many of Bridgette's alternate pairings have even less to claim for any items or rings either way.

All Pattys have Pursuit on promotion, and? Having it before helps just as much, because her ability to fight unpromoted really really sucks unless she has Pursuit.

You give her a pursuit ring if you care that much. Holyn and Lex have the exact same problem.

But it costs 40000G unless Briggid paired up with Dew. Which that money is better to be spent on whichever other units that needs it.

It's one of the most accepted pairings for Bridgette. Vanilla. It's a good pairing.

It's still worse than all three of those that I just listed. It's worse than Midir too, come to think of it.

Because Sol+Better growths is really all Dew offers as a father outside of Bargain

I love how your initial thoughts about DeuxBridgette are deteriorating.

"DeuxBridgette is bad!" "It's not horrendous, but it's not good!" "There are at least three better pairings!" "It's a decent pairing, BUT there's some problems with it!"

Like Sol is phail in this game anyway without the Berserk skill.

I claimed only that DeuxBridgette was a good pairing. Yes there are better pairings given effort but you know what? Deu is a good father, too.

He'd like Claude's reserve staff, do you agree?

Give me a situation on how reserve would be useful at that point in the game.

Deu has high evade and skill. He doesn't even need to leave a real dent in someone to steal their cash. He's basically a walking bank. I'd like to think being the one to bring in funds counts as utility.

No, but since funds generally go out the rear end in FE4, his utility of funds-gathering only comes in useful so often.

Did you completely contradict yourself in one sentence? This is Generation One, there is a limited supply of cash going around. If someone is short on gold to repair/buy a ring/weapon, Deu comes in. But we're not talking about Deu as a unit, we're talking about his fathering.

So far:

• Leen/Patty has no claim to rings
  
• She, however, can afford to buy them if necessary
  
• Corple would like an A rank staff
  
• He can either buy it or it's not as good as you think it is
  

I don't know about you, but these are trivial reasons why you would assume Deu a horrible father.

On a final note, make sure you don't have Alec talk to Sylvia in Chapter 2 unless you're planning on killing her!!

Yes, doing that makes things easier for that slut to not mess up one of your other pairings. However, this doesn't help if you want to pair up Alec with someone else.

[Nice]

Firstly, as you seem to be a first time player, I would not advise making any pairings that are a pain in the ass to do. I.e. Fin/Lechesis and Levin/Tiltyu. Well, not unless you do massive research into the loves system and plan WAY ahead. (which, IMO, kinda ruins a first time playthrough)

Don't listen to anyone who says there's only one way to pair everyone that's far superior to everyone else. That may work for ranked or highly compettitive runs, but if you're playing for the first time, the most important thing is to make pairings that are at least decent, immerse yourself in the story and just have fun playing. For that reason, I'd recommend you choose out of these pairings, prioritising those that are the easiest to make. (marked with a *) (except for Brigget)

Edain/Midale(*) or Jumuka (if you can spare a pursuit ring)

Ayra/Lex(*), Holyn, Noish, Jamuka or Dew (but any non-magic user who isn't Alec will work, just make sure you don't get her subs!!)

Lachesis/Beowulf(*) or Fin (but avoid Fin on your first time playing! You don't want to have to put in that much effort this early in the game)

Sylvia/Claude(*) or Death (really, those are your only two choices, on ANY playthrough)

Fury/Levin(*!) or Claude or Noish if you're pairing Levin with Tiltyu

Tiltyu/Azel(*) or Levin

Brigget/Jumuka, Dew or Holyn (she's jut about the only one where you DON'T want to go for her easy pairings)

Again, don't worry about which are better than the others on your first time playing. After you beat the game once, come back and look at these topics, (the 'reasonable pairings' topic has some good discussion) and try out the pairings you didn't do the first time that look interesting. Try to make different pairings on each playthrough. By doing so, you can find the ones that work for you. For example, there's a lot of controversy over which Levin pairing is better. (I'm a LevinSety fan myself) The only way to really know which you, personally, like more is to try both out. Always try to form your own opinion, rather than be influenced purely by others.

On a final note, make sure you don't have Alec talk to Sylvia in Chapter 2 unless you're planning on killing her!!

Wow I really like the way you think. How many playthrough do you play FE4? I thought it's your first (in Elite ring thread) but this post made me think again :)

In my 2nd play (actually my 1st in this decade - see sig) I went for some hard to pair like

1. Tityl/Lex - not quite satisfied with the kids though, mage with low mag/mdef oh my. Although wrath+ambush has some fun but Levin's critical is better, not to mention that Lex's kids are high defense, so wrath is not activate often enough to satify critical-lover like me :P.

2. Lache/Fin - My Finn must stick to her all the time in ch2 (and can't fight because I want the Knight ring) so he's underlevel and I had a bit hard time to protect Lenster in ch7

3. Aira/Dew - for all aroud growth but then realized Aira's kids are always good in most case. - again not quite satisfied because training Dew is quite boring in the early stage and I don't have enough 50-killed swords for critical animation fun.

The next playthrough I go to just-for-critical-anime-fun paring Aira/Noish :D

These pairings I decided without asking in this forum (read the gamefaqs/walkthrough though)

my 3rd pairing I asked for suggestion here and got some points I don't know before, like Sword skill for foot unit only.

Like you said, planning WAY ahead for the 1st(2nd in my case) time quite ruin my playthrough.

my 3rd playthrough has a lot more fun.(although still plan way ahead, but easier to plan after finishing the game and look back,like you said.)

and I absolutely agree with your pairing suggestion.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Nice - SE7ENize.com

[Big Klingy]

Wow I really like the way you think. How many playthrough do you play FE4? I thought it's your first (in Elite ring thread) but this post made me think again :)

This playthrough I'm currently doing for Youtube is my third. But it's a bit different to what I'd normally do (alternate pairings) as I'm trying to stick as close to the canon platline as possible. (even though the only definate canon pairing is Levin/Fury. Although I like to think the canon pairing for Lachesis is Beowulf and then Fin [FE5, despite all the Fin stuff, heavily implies Delmud is Beowulf's son]) I know Lex/Ira seems slightly more canon than Holyn/Ira, but I don't like the wierd cousin issues it arrises in 2nd Gen. (I like Lakche/Johalva for some reason. NOT Johan, he's a sick freak)

I still have a long list of pairings I need to try out. Noish/Ira, Levin/Tiltyu, Lex/Tiltyu and Fin/Lachesis being amoung them. I've tried Jumuka/Edain before, and I can say it worked pretty well with the Pursuit Ring. Although I agree whith what's been said above, don't do this if you're pairing Levin and Tiltyu, as Arthur will really want that ring.

Also, regarding the comment above me, (forgot to quote it) I was under the impression that a female dying would erase the male's love points. Using an example from my current playthrough: at the start of chapter 2, the fortune teller said to Jumuka "Edain is on your mind" or something to that effect. [he starts with 250 love points for her] By chapter 3, she and Midale became lovers. The fortune teller in chapter 3 said to Jumuka: "You currently don't have any feelings for anybody". Leading me to believe his love points had been erased now that she had a lover. I'd like to know if the same thing happens if the female dies.

[Nice]

I know Lex/Ira seems slightly more canon than Holyn/Ira, but I don't like the wierd cousin issues it arrises

in 2nd Gen. (I like Lakche/Johalva for some reason. NOT Johan, he's a sick freak)

lol I'm the opposite. really LOVE the cousin issue in this game. :P

Aira with either Holyn or Lex can rise this issue. - Holyn in the 1st gen. Lex and his daughter in 2nd gen with Nier blood brother :P

Despite that I love semi-incest issue I don't pair Aira with both because imo her kids don't need Lex's elite/tough growth and Holyn's Moonlight can't activate with Meteo sword (unlike Noish's critical)

oh and I thought Holyn and Noish has similar face, so... (must be the hair color though :D )

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In my 1st playthrough in 1997 I pair Ira/Holyn just because of the same class and movement. Never think about they could be far relatives, same minor blood. Didn't know about the blood (Just know that the glowing ball one can use legendary weapons). Didn't know that there's 2nd gen! (imagine my face when the screen is end and prompt to save after all 1st gen die, then I saw Sigurd's son :P )

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in my 2nd play I don't care much about pairing in 2nd gen so it's all pre-destined. (I forgot who's Tinny lover, maybe no one or Sety)

Celice/Rana Shanan/Patty Lakche/Johan Fee/Arthur Aless/Leen, the only one I love is Leaf/Nanna but they fall in love too fast so that I miss stat boost in ch10 (happens with Shanan/Patty - Lester too).

and these pairngs totally irritate me

so in my 3rd play I plan to pair for all semi-incest, noble with noble, commoner with commoner(although they all have noble blood) lol

Shanan/Lakche (I never like Johan, personality-wise, never try Johalva because I prefer mounted)

Lester/Patty (The 1st gen twins' kid falling for each other, interesting huh. not to mention that this is pre-destined too :P, aside from Shanan fangirl)

Aless/Nanna. hah, Nanna's mother incest wierd love to her bro can't be fullill. so the daughter continue with his son.

Fee/Oifye for lolicon skill boost

Celice/Tinny because of portrait-wise, both are my top favourites in 2nd gen and love-talk. well, in my 2nd play I tried Julia glitch but then too lazy to continue.

I'd love to pair Rana with Faval (same issue as Lester/Patty) but Faval come really late so I must stick her with Skasaha to prevent her to become Celice's lover.

if you're pairing Levin and Tiltyu, as Arthur will really want that ring.

well I decide to give it to Tinny to train her. Why do you suggest to give it to Arthur before Tinny?

Leading me to believe his love points had been erased now that she had a lover. I'd like to know if the same thing happens if the female dies.

I can confirm this. Just loaded my savestate and tried to kill Sylvia before she become Jamka's lover.

the love points was erased immediately in the same turn.

(If she's killed after becoming lover, they'll still "bound to each other")

for the sake of perfectionism in me and story-wise, I feel a bit sad to kill her at the VERY near the end of ch5. if only I use a few less turns, or don't place her near any male :(

[Eltoshen]

@Ayanami: You don't have to kill Sylvia to keep her from falling in love with Levin. Just never have him end his turn near her, it's really simple.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Eltoshen

[Big Klingy]

I know Lex/Ira seems slightly more canon than Holyn/Ira, but I don't like the wierd cousin issues it arrises

in 2nd Gen. (I like Lakche/Johalva for some reason. NOT Johan, he's a sick freak)

Aira with either Holyn or Lex can rise this issue. - Holyn in the 1st gen. Lex and his daughter in 2nd gen with Nier blood brother :P

Ira and Holyn are both decended from someone who was alive 600 years ago.

Lex's daughter and Johalva are first cousins.

There's a difference.

[irtikliwT]

Ira and Holyn are both decended from someone who was alive 600 years ago.

100 years ago, actually.

The original Holy War ended in 648 and FE4 starts in 757, to be specific.

Edited October 17, 2009 by T.W.I.L.K.I.T.R.I.

[PuffPuff]

In my 2nd play (actually my 1st in this decade - see sig) I went for some hard to pair like

1. Tityl/Lex - not quite satisfied with the kids though, mage with low mag/mdef oh my. Although wrath+ambush has some fun but Levin's critical is better, not to mention that Lex's kids are high defense, so wrath is not activate often enough to satify critical-lover like me :P.

2. Lache/Fin - My Finn must stick to her all the time in ch2 (and can't fight because I want the Knight ring) so he's underlevel and I had a bit hard time to protect Lenster in ch7

3. Aira/Dew - for all aroud growth but then realized Aira's kids are always good in most case. - again not quite satisfied because training Dew is quite boring in the early stage and I don't have enough 50-killed swords for critical animation fun.

The next playthrough I go to just-for-critical-anime-fun paring Aira/Noish :D

These pairings I decided without asking in this forum (read the gamefaqs/walkthrough though)

my 3rd pairing I asked for suggestion here and got some points I don't know before, like Sword skill for foot unit only.

Like you said, planning WAY ahead for the 1st(2nd in my case) time quite ruin my playthrough.

my 3rd playthrough has a lot more fun.(although still plan way ahead, but easier to plan after finishing the game and look back,like you said.)

and I absolutely agree with your pairing suggestion.

About 1. I prefer this pairing because of their high defense that they actually need. And having Elite (a skill that they actually need) and Ambush (I find it useful for their good defenses). But if your to make this pairing, you will want to get them each a Magic Ring. (You can possibly get two, one in a city in Chapter 10, and the other one don't remember where to get it in the second gen, but you can pass it over though.

Number 2. Thanks for the tip for the Fin/Lachesis pairing. I didn't know that you had to keep Fin from fighting in Chap 2. Thanks. I never could make this pairing.

As for Number 3. I find this pairing only useful with a 50 kill weapon, as Sol is useless without criticals.