Candlejack Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Organized religion itself is a blight on humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Organized religion itself is a blight on humanity. Although I would question your use of such extreme language, for the most part, I am going to agree with the content of your post, sharpened tongue or no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I wouldn't say sharpened. It's more of a personal view than anything but take what you will for it. But without religion, the world as of now would be a lot more peaceful; no Middle East Crisis for instance, since this is mostly about Iran's claims that Israel had kicked them out of their land, which is complete bullshit since its coming from that retard of a leader Ahmadinejad. I digress; the only wars we'd have are class wars, which are also idiotic since its a hypocrisy derived from religion anyway, and war over territory/power. I can honestly say nothing TRULY beneficial has come out of religion. Except the belief in an absentee father figure who decided to kill his creations not once but twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I wouldn't say sharpened. It's more of a personal view than anything but take what you will for it. But without religion, the world as of now would be a lot more peaceful; no Middle East Crisis for instance, since this is mostly about Iran's claims that Israel had kicked them out of their land, which is complete bullshit since its coming from that retard of a leader Ahmadinejad. I digress; the only wars we'd have are class wars, which are also idiotic since its a hypocrisy derived from religion anyway, and war over territory/power. I can honestly say nothing TRULY beneficial has come out of religion. Except the belief in an absentee father figure who decided to kill his creations not once but twice. I do agree with you. However, Ahmadinejad is a puppet president. Until 4-5 months ago, the clerics had power. Now it's a military dictatorship run through the leaders of the Revolutionary Guard. They wield the power in Iran now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 So do the Wahabi. Or the oil moguls that purposely mistranslated the Quran to the masses in order to stimulate hatred towards their "enemies". And the Unwanted Nobodies, more commonly known as the UN, won't do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mousefire Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I wouldn't say sharpened. It's more of a personal view than anything but take what you will for it. But without religion, the world as of now would be a lot more peaceful; no Middle East Crisis for instance, since this is mostly about Iran's claims that Israel had kicked them out of their land, which is complete bullshit since its coming from that retard of a leader Ahmadinejad. I digress; the only wars we'd have are class wars, which are also idiotic since its a hypocrisy derived from religion anyway, and war over territory/power. I can honestly say nothing TRULY beneficial has come out of religion. Except the belief in an absentee father figure who decided to kill his creations not once but twice. The great awakening. other than that, religion is and was pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Nothing beneficial from religion? That's ridiculous. Religion brings morality as the teachings of religion are pretty much the basis of common-day law. Without religion, I'd argue the world today would be a much more chaotic place, and we would not have developed so far, as they'd be nothing to have told us we shouldn't have done such things. Religion brings out courage to speak out, and whilst many do abuse that (such as some in the middle east), I am sure that there are many who find the courage to fight against something with their religion (e.g. christian views on abortion and divorce). Religion also brings hope to those who are terrified of death, and can act as comfort to them. IMO, religion has been an important part of today's soceity. Perhaps moreso than even science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 What the fuck Science is what has brought this world this far, what, do you wish you could be back in the stone age or some shit? Additionally, morals do not come from religion. If morals came from religion then why the hell aren't lions eating each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Because that's natural instinct. Religion is what made us pursue so far into science is what I was saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 If it's natural instinct then what morals did religion give us Uhh no it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mousefire Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Because that's natural instinct. Religion is what made us pursue so far into science is what I was saying. humans have that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Because that's natural instinct. Religion is what made us pursue so far into science is what I was saying. No, religion is what kept us from pursuing science for about 1250 years prior to about 1500. Religion is the cause of the fall of Rome (arguably), and it's the cause of why gays are so persecuted and denied their rights under US law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) If it's natural instinct then what morals did religion give us Not to kill Help others Do not steal. Seriously, if people took religion a tad more seriously they'd be far less murder/rape/burglaries in the world, I can assure you. Not to mention, humans are smarter than lions, we can go against our natural instinct as we know how and why we'd want to do it. Lions aren't smart enougth to do that. Uhh no it isn't It did it indirectly, for example, our progress into medicine was founded by morals (Ambrose Pare, for example, noted that the treatments used at the time were incredibly painful so attempted to seek a cure), which are founded by religion. No, religion is what kept us from pursuing science for about 1250 years prior to about 1500. Religion is the cause of the fall of Rome (arguably), and it's the cause of why gays are so persecuted and denied their rights under US law. Speaking for medicine only, there was a lot of progress from the years before the 1500s. Natural observation for example was founded in the Greek times. Anatomical knowledge from teh Egyptians was gathered solely from mummification - a religious practice. Acleplions also provided a place where people coudl rest, exercise and bathe - which helped them. You know what caused the ascleplion? Religion. Herbal remedies were sought after in the prehistoric times for ridding evil spirits (which they believed caused illnesses). The only time where religion slowed down progress in medicine and not helped it was probably in the middle ages, when the christian church prevented anyone with new ideas challenging the ideas of Galen and Hippocrates. Edited January 16, 2010 by The Syobon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mousefire Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Not to kill We are a group. We naturally don't want to kill others. Help others Again, instincts from before big technology. Do not steal. We steal anyway. Religion doesn't stop many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Religion is useless in the eyes of the common man but the most powerful weapon in the world to the dictators. Go ahead and reflect on that; and I'm pretty sure religion has brought MUCH MUCH MUCH more bad than good. EDIT: Like The Crusades. Or the Diaspora. Oh, not to mention the Holocaust! Edited January 16, 2010 by Merlinus the Jew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 If it's natural instinct then what morals did religion give us Not to kill Help others Do not steal. Seriously, if people took religion a tad more seriously they'd be far less murder/rape/burglaries in the world, I can assure you. Not to mention, humans are smarter than lions, we can go against our natural instinct as we know how and why we'd want to do it. Lions aren't smart enougth to do that. Japan has about 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people per year. The US has about 5.5 homicides per 100,000 people per year. The vast majority of the US is Christian The vast majority of Japan is Atheist ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 If it's natural instinct then what morals did religion give us Not to kill Help others Do not steal. Seriously, if people took religion a tad more seriously they'd be far less murder/rape/burglaries in the world, I can assure you. Not to mention, humans are smarter than lions, we can go against our natural instinct as we know how and why we'd want to do it. Lions aren't smart enougth to do that. Japan has about 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people per year. The US has about 5.5 homicides per 100,000 people per year. The vast majority of the US is Christian The vast majority of Japan is Atheist ok AND HOW ABOUT THEM MIDDLE EASTERN FOLK EH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mousefire Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Many Christians kill in the name of god. probably why the homicide list is so high in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 GOD HATES FAGS, LET'S KILL THIS FAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mousefire Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) yep, intolerance is the other reason Edited January 16, 2010 by mousefire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 GOD HATES FAGS, LET'S KILL THIS FAG GOD HATES EVERYONE WHO ISN'T CHRISTIAN wait when the fuck does it say that? 300 YEARS AGO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Not to mention that the Bible was one of the most commonly used justifications for slavery in the 1600's-1800's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Also It did it indirectly, for example, our progress into medicine was founded by morals (Ambrose Pare, for example, noted that the treatments used at the time were incredibly painful so attempted to seek a cure), which are founded by religion. It doesn't take someone mentally retarded to figure out that pain is bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mousefire Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 not to mention the plague-filled dark ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlejack Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Man religion sucks. I'd go make a thread about it in the SRS BZNZ section but I think I'd get b& Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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