#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 You just killed your argument. You have to explain how. Heh, ironic. You didn't give up your grudge with that little "joke" that I ridiculed. So you wouldn't want to be more polite to "the likes of me" and just continue slandering. Ok. Your choice. Honestly, it's kind of a response to this whole thread, Sir Biasaplenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'll drop his SKL to 38 and his DEF will go up to 24, since he has the statpoints to do so. Fair? If that happens what is the total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 You just killed your argument.You have to explain how. Heh, ironic. You didn't give up your grudge with that little "joke" that I ridiculed. So you wouldn't want to be more polite to "the likes of me" and just continue slandering. Ok. Your choice. Honestly, it's kind of a response to this whole thread, Sir Biasaplenty. You wouldn't listen to how I called it unfair calling it retarded. Then ALS sees the logic and the hypocrisy it would entail so you agree to change it even though you wouldn't accept my call for change. Yes, because only nerfing a few members because of a perfectly good reason is biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 If that happens what is the total? You wouldn't listen to how I called it unfair calling it retarded. Then ALS sees the logic and the hypocrisy it would entail so you agree to change it even though you wouldn't accept my call for change. You realize I just increased his base stat count by seven, whereas you dropped it, right? Yes, because only nerfing a few members because of a perfectly good reason is biased. They were not good reasons. None of my units were in any way broken. ALS, is the max 275 or 285? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ALS, is the max 275 or 285? It's 280, but he usually won't mind one or two points over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) It's 280, but he usually won't mind one or two points over. I'm fairly sure it's 285. Wouldn't matter either way considering Lux would be 278. Edited March 13, 2010 by Fujiwara no Mokou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) 280 actually. Lux fits in with 278 which is fine. Edited March 13, 2010 by AstraSolLuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 You wouldn't listen to how I called it unfair calling it retarded. Then ALS sees the logic and the hypocrisy it would entail so you agree to change it even though you wouldn't accept my call for change.You realize I just increased his base stat count by seven, whereas you dropped it, right? Yes, because only nerfing a few members because of a perfectly good reason is biased. They were not good reasons. None of my units were in any way broken. ALS said cheap combos such as wrath/resolve/ambush were unfair, so should stats. Should I be allowed 40 str, spd, skl? Wist is the only stat nerf on there. Earthstones don't give tremendous bonuses and no class(exception:emperors, empresses) should get access to all weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) By the way, according to AsLuSo 1. Wist HP is going from 90 to 70. LCK is going from 36 to 35. RES is going from 34 to 30. 2. Hikarusa Earthstones don't provide those stats. 3. Camtech Weapons, no way is he getting everything. Edited March 13, 2010 by Fujiwara no Mokou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) I'm sure if we asked the other members, most would concede these as fair. Hikarusa's "low" stats are just a ploy for you to smuggle in extravegant bonuses leading to broken stats and a 20 MT weapon. What has Camtech exactly done to deserve access to all these weapons? Nothing. Edited March 13, 2010 by BK-201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 With the nerf that you claim ALS says the total comes to 293. 13 over the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'm sure if we asked the other members, most would concede these as fair. Hikarusa's "low" stats are just a ploy for you to smuggle in extravegant bonuses leading to broken stats and a 20 MT weapon. What has Camtech exactly done to deserve access to all these weapons? Nothing. Hika's an Earth Dragon. They balk to Falchions, which I haven't claimed. In another word, I'd LOVE to point out that the actual Earth Dragon has max everything. So, you can choose between that and one with 40 in everything with no bonuses. And six skills. Your choice. What has AsLuSo done to deserve all of those weapons? PeerlessSage is just a dismounted Master Knight. Your points are entirely moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 With the nerf that you claim ALS says the total comes to 293. 13 over the limit. The total of what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Hika's an Earth Dragon. They balk to Falchions, which I haven't claimed. In another word, I'd LOVE to point out that the actual Earth Dragon has max everything. So, you can choose between that and one with 40 in everything with no bonuses. And six skills. Your choice. What has AsLuSo done to deserve all of those weapons? PeerlessSage is just a dismounted Master Knight. Your points are entirely moot. Ever wonder why nobody has the class "King Daein"? No dark magic though, UNLIKE Camtech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 The total of what? 293-280=13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) Ever wonder why nobody has the class "King Daein"? No dark magic though, UNLIKE Camtech. Camtech also doesn't have a horse, so his MOV stat is substantially lower and he can't rescue worth crap. Still not seeing your point, nor who has 13 statpoints over the max. Edited March 13, 2010 by Fujiwara no Mokou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Camtech also doesn't have a horse, so his MOV stat is substantially lower and he can't rescue worth crap. Still not seeing your point, nor who has 13 statpoints over the max. You didn't attack my first point so I'm guessing you concede. So? Horses are weak to horseslayers and stuff like that. Having access to all weapons isn't logical I don't care if you have gimped stats. ALS said no to an axe dark bishop with the same weakness of movement and crappy rescue so what makes this any fairer? Wist with the only edit you would accept has 13 points above maximum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) You didn't attack my first point so I'm guessing you concede. So? Horses are weak to horseslayers and stuff like that. Having access to all weapons isn't logical I don't care if you have gimped stats. ALS said no to an axe dark bishop with the same weakness of movement and crappy rescue so what makes this any fairer? Wist with the only edit you would accept has 13 points above maximum. No, he doesn't. He has 4 over the maximum and makes up for it by having less skills, IIRC. And no, I don't concede. ALS allowed him in earlier. Edited March 13, 2010 by Fujiwara no Mokou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) First off, his total would be 289, not 293. Second off, his MAG was a typo and is supposed to be 13. 45 40 13 38 37 36 40 30 279 Edited March 13, 2010 by Fujiwara no Mokou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Flametongue: Negates enemy's defences. Str +10, Skl +10, Def +20, Res +10. Stats: Range 1~3, Might 10, Accuracy 100 Total Statboosts: +50 Hika's Earthstone: No def negation. Str +20, Skill +15, Spd +10, Def +10, Res +10 Range: 1~1 Might 20 Accuracy ? Total Statboosts: +65 10 might difference, and no def negation. ~_~ Wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Flametongue: Negates enemy's defences. Str +10, Skl +10, Def +20, Res +10. Stats: Range 1~3, Might 10, Accuracy 100 Total Statboosts: +50 Hika's Earthstone: No def negation. Str +20, Skill +15, Spd +10, Def +10, Res +10 Range: 1~1 Might 20 Accuracy ? Total Statboosts: +65 10 might difference, and no def negation. ~_~ Wtf Flametongue gives a LCK bonus too, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) No, he doesn't. He has 4 over the maximum and makes up for it by having less skills, IIRC. And no, I don't concede. ALS allowed him in earlier. Uh, yes he does, do I have to show the math? 90/2(HP) + 40(STR) + 23(MAG) + 38(SKL) + 37(SPD) + 36(LUK) + 40(DEF) + 30(RES) 45+40+23+38+37+36+40+30 I'll break this up 45+40=85 23 38+37=75 36 40+30=70 So, 85+23+75+36+70 85+75+70=160+70=230 So, 230+23+36 23+36=59 230+59=289 Nevermind, 9, I made a calculator error but regardless that is above the limit by a good margin. Then I call bias, if a unit with no special reason can have everything why couldn't RP have dark and axes? There should be a minimal mag/str for physical/magical classes respectively, to prevent physical units emerging with 0 mag and crapload other stats. Edited March 13, 2010 by BK-201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) Nevermind, 9, I made a calculator error but regardless that is above the limit by a good margin. Then I call bias, if a unit with no special reason can have everything why couldn't RP have dark and axes? He's below the limit, see typo above. RP had dark and swords originally, you moron. The only thing that was rejected was Loptousu. Edited March 13, 2010 by Fujiwara no Mokou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Get with the times. RP, do you concede the fact that you requested to be an axe/dark user but was denied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!/dev/haru Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Get with the times. RP, do you concede the fact that you requested to be an axe/dark user but was denied? You realize that AsLuSo is allowing it, right? He's just a dismounted Master Knight that took affinity in Dark after promoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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