Fayt Zelpher Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 She isn't that much weaker to be truthful (only by a point or so in each stat). 2 when she trasforms, which, admittedly, still isn't much. But still, it's weird to see a unit get weaker like that... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 My guess would be that they weakened her after playtesting or whatever and didn't update the NPC version stats (but then again, even with SS strike and max stats, she's still only mediocre, so I can't see why they would weaken her...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Thani doesn't do bonus damage on Valkyrie!Mist, even though she's riding a horse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Rey León Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) Ilyana/Brom can recruit Zihark, and Mist can recruit Jill in 3-7 without a transferred A support. As long as you're playing on clear data where you DID use a transferred A support. You can also view the special Soren conversation without an IkexSoran A transfer provided your playing on clear data where you did that already as well. Edited July 19, 2010 by El Rey León Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Ike is the only beorc that can survive Dheginsea's Ire. Try it: Capped defense (32) + Ragnell (5) + Night Tide (5) + Cover Tile (10) + A rankde defense support (2) = 54 defense. Dheginsea has an attack of 75, and Ire is triple damage, so Ike takes 3 x (75-54) = 63 damage from Ire, leaving him with 2 HP assuming he's capped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krad Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Capped defense (32) + Ragnell (5) + Night Tide (5) + Cover Tile (10) + A rankde defense support (2) = 54 defense. Dheginsea has an attack of 75, and Ire is triple damage, so Ike takes 3 x (75-54) = 63 damage from Ire, leaving him with 2 HP assuming he's capped. Also Meg with Alondite: Defense (35) + Alondite (5) + Night Tide (5) + Cover Tile (10) + A rank defense support (2) = 57 def. 75 - 57 = 18. 60-(18x3)=6 HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I'd guess EM would add some people to that list since they'd get +5 DEF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) I'd guess EM would add some people to that list since they'd get +5 DEF. Yeah. All the Marshalls would easily. Reavers could too. 52 defense means they'll take 66 damage, but they have 68 HP caps. Also Meg with Alondite: Defense (35) + Alondite (5) + Night Tide (5) + Cover Tile (10) + A rank defense support (2) = 57 def. 75 - 57 = 18. 60-(18x3)=6 HP. Ah. Yep, that would work. I forgot that you had Alondite in this chapter... Edited July 20, 2010 by Fayt Zelpher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 So the only two are Ike... and Meg ? Well, she IS the staff favourite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinDuh Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 4 NPC units(5 if you count Spehiran, but he IS playable as Lehran....) have bond supports. They are Pain and Agony(together), Zelgius with Sephiran, and Deghinsea with Kurthnaga. Sephiran also has a bond support with Sanaki. DO NOT PUT SANAKI NEXT TO HIM IN 4-4!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 My guess would be that they weakened her after playtesting or whatever and didn't update the NPC version stats (but then again, even with SS strike and max stats, she's still only mediocre, so I can't see why they would weaken her...) Or it could be because she's still pregnant , so they lowered her stats a bit as it went on. 4 NPC units(5 if you count Spehiran, but he IS playable as Lehran....) have bond supports. They are Pain and Agony(together), Zelgius with Sephiran, and Deghinsea with Kurthnaga. Sephiran also has a bond support with Sanaki. DO NOT PUT SANAKI NEXT TO HIM IN 4-4!!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty easy, seeing how both of them don't show up in 4-4 at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinDuh Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 There is no reason for her to even be near him seeing how she won't attack him Well, you never know what you could be getting yourself into sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Jim Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Pretty easy, seeing how both of them don't show up in 4-4 at all. Sephiran is the boss of 4-F-4. 4-4 is where you recruit Oliver the beautiful. Edited July 20, 2010 by DA125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinDuh Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Sephiran is the boss of 4-F-4. 4-4 is where you recruit Oliver the beautiful. I mean 4-F-4. Sorry 'bout that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I mean 4-F-4. Sorry 'bout that. You can edit your post, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Rafiel can't climb up ledges when transformed. Valkyrie!Mist however, IIRC, can Edited July 20, 2010 by Zwiebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hmm... She's the only class that gains a horse on promotion, right? Maybe the fact that horse effective weapons don't effect her and her ability to climb up ledges are related to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hmm... She's the only class that gains a horse on promotion, right? Maybe the fact that horse effective weapons don't effect her and her ability to climb up ledges are related to that? Yeah, some silyl programming error which doesn't get her treated as a mounted unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Rafiel can't climb up ledges when transformed. Valkyrie!Mist however, IIRC, can she cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Well, int agrees with me :/. Edited July 20, 2010 by Zwiebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinDuh Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 You can edit your post, though. Well since it's been pointed out like 4 times now, I'll go ahead and pass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well, int agrees with me :/. What, by saying you can climb a ledge and then use a Master Crown to have an effective Mist in 4-4? How does unpromoted Mist climbing ledges affect if promoted Mist can climb ledges? Seems like a non sequitur to me. Also: http://www.serenesforest.net/fe10/terrain.html Note the lack of notes about Valkries on ledges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Oh that's what he meant? Oh right. I though he meant the pony poofs under her as she climbs the ledge. My bad. Yeah it's probably not true then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Despite no other bosses in parts 2, 3, or 4 doing so, both Sephiran and Ashera are weighed down by their weapons (Sephiran by 4, Ashera by 8). Also, by changing his name, Sephiran/Lehran gains 4 speed, going from 36 as a boss to 40 as a playable character the next chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Hetzel is not recruitable eventhough it sounds like he should be in the Japanese text (IIRC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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