The Matthis Syndrome and Other Similar Ailments

[Randoman]

Share your experiences with us regarding recruitable enemies doing really ridiculous or annoying things before recruiting them.

There's Douglas, well, I don't even need to explain any further if you've played FE6. If you haven't, he's basically an enemy general who chases you like a madman that you have to keep alive in order to get him and the good ending. Why couldn't he be a good enemy unit and sit still like FE11 Etzel and Ymir?

And then there's Fury seizing my base castle when I left it unguarded since no one ever tried to take it before (I kept saving after every turn normally, thinking Fury's squad was randomly flying around without the sinister intention of seizing the base castle and making me automatically lose) and then having to restart Ch 2 all over again.

There's also Klein and Tate making me have to restart Chapter 11B during my first FE6 playthrough. Keep in mind this was before I knew they were recruitable (and before I had a good amount of FE experience). I remember thinking at the time "What's with this Klein guy? He's way too overpowered for a regular enemy unit. There's no way I can beat him with my whole army intact." I remember Marcus was the sacrifice I had to make to defeat him.

Wendell, oh don't even get me started. Killing everyone who tried to approach you like a serial killer. And then when I finally get angry enough to ditch the idea of recruiting you and kill you, you're all "Why here, when I have no love for war?" Well, you started it gramps!

Cath, even without your personality, I wouldn't recruit you since you block my way and got my characters killed because of that. Not to mention that getting all the treasure in the levels you show up in becomes much harder.

There's also FE3 Book 2/FE12 Matthis and Astram. Having to go all around the map to get Julian, then get Matthis was pretty tedious. I remember that I got Julian, but Matthis got himself killed in FE12 so I gave up on him. As for Astram, he and his army of heroes chasing you got really annoying. I got so frustrated at him, that I decided to ditch the idea of recruiting him with Jeorge in Ch 16, and kill him instead.

[Fei Mao]

Klein killing Clarine when he was an enemy unit. It was pretty funny considering her death quotes asks her brother for help before dying, it's pretty funny how they programmed Douglas to not attack Lalum or Elphin but didn't program Klein to not attack Clarine.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Generic Officer

[Anouleth]

Share your experiences with us regarding recruitable enemies doing really ridiculous or annoying things before recruiting them.

There's Douglas, well, I don't even need to explain any further if you've played FE6. If you haven't, he's basically an enemy general who chases you like a madman that you have to keep alive in order to get him and the good ending. Why couldn't he be a good enemy unit and sit still like FE11 Etzel and Ymir?

I find him annoying as well, but apparently it's easy to take him out of commission with a Sleep staff. Or leave a weak but fast sword user in his range, like Thany or Echidna or Sue. Even Zealot would do.

There's also Klein and Tate making me have to restart Chapter 11B during my first FE6 playthrough. Keep in mind this was before I knew they were recruitable (and before I had a good amount of FE experience). I remember thinking at the time "What's with this Klein guy? He's way too overpowered for a regular enemy unit. There's no way I can beat him with my whole army intact." I remember Marcus was the sacrifice I had to make to defeat him.

I think it's pretty obvious that he's recruitable, since he's an named enemy who has his own units and is mentioned to be Clarine's brother. You should at least have tried talking to him with Roy or Clarine.

And he's not even that strong on Normal Mode. 11 speed is nothing special, he won't double most units.

[Shin]

In all fairness, I killed Astoria on my first playthrough of Book 2. I was so proud of myself for beating such a powerful squad then I found out I could have gone around it. At least I got the Mercurius early ^^.

[Jaybee]

Gonzo in 10A. Stop running away from Lilina, dammit.

Zeiss. Why, oh why do you trap yourself in that faraway corner of the map which forces me to pull Miledy and Cecilia from the main party?

Marisa. She's just out of Gerik's range and can't handle herself against the Peg Knight brigade that comes around then. Also, that irritating as hell Sleep Staffer.

Most of all, RUTGER. He has an uncanny habit of critting my units except for Marcus, who gets double critted. Joy.

I'm usually fine with recruiting everyone else.

[Grithalmur]

Not knowing that you could kill the player units of the other group's army and that they wouldn't die for good in Radiant Dawn was very annoying.

3-13 would have been a bit easier my first time if I knew I wouldn't have killed Oscar/Boyd/etc. for good if I fought back.

Another thing is not knowing when bosses actually do move from their starting location. My first time fighting Lloyd (Pretty sure it was Hector Normal,) on Cog of Destiny, I was having Wil chip away at his health with a Longbow for EXP, but then Lloyd decides to move and Double-Magic Wil to death with the Light Brand. It's less of an issue now, but still...

[Silvercrow]

I remember playing FE5 and going into chapter 18? with the intention of trying to recruit Xavier. Something like 3 turns after unlocking the civilian's cells, I promptly said "fuck it" and warpskipped the chapter. That shit is ridiculous.

Douglas is similarly obnoxious. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I was on my first playthrough and didn't sleep him (maybe it missed? or my staffer was out of range), and Lugh was already in his range, who would double him and possibly kill him. So I moved Iron Sword Roy into his range and equipped Lugh with Forblaze, trying to manipulate his AI into uselessly attacking Roy instead of going after Lugh and getting raped. Guess who he attacked anyway? .............

And of course, the infamous first time through FE6 Rutger rapes someone with almost no warning thing.

[Shin]

I had a go at recruiting Xavier, although I eventually gave up and decided that Xavier and his men were all traitors, the XP was good enough.

[Axie]

Fury. Every time I start a new game, I forget I can only recruit her with Levin and I stupidly Return Sigurd back to the castle. Every time. Then I need to Warp Levin, or make Sigurd endure countless turns of attacks until Levin gets there by foot, or I restart the chapter. I don't even know why that happens to me. >_<

[Rei Rei]

Xavier's recruitment might be the most cynical thing IS ever done since Jeigan back in 1990.

[Darros]

FE3 B2 Arran <<<<<< Jeigan.

No growths < Extremely low ones.

Well Warren has it, and it's nasty since Catria doesn't recover from bows.

Ayra as well. She killed Sigurd. 5 times -_-

[Momo]

Lena, where are you? I just want to see you before I die...

*stabs her in the face*

OR

As much as I'd like to run directly toward the enemy castle, I'll have to walk ALL THE WAY AROUND THE MAP to get Julian, who recruits Matthis for some reason. He better be damn well worth it.

*lol not even close*

[Thor Odinson]

Ayra can be easily distracted via mounted units to go in the direction of the other castle while Sigurd goes around and seizes. I dunno about anyone else, but worked for me every time.

Yeah. Rutger. At least he's damn worth it. Dunno how the hell I would get past Gel without him, seeing that just about everybody gets doubled and raped besides Rutger, Shin, and Clarine. But his recruitment. ArghasdfnowarningonHMasdfcritDieckasdf.

And it's just MY BAD LUCK that he critted, too. Dieck and Marcus are the only two people who could've taken a hit. Marcus gets doubled. Everyone else gets 2HKO'd and doubled so that's one round. Dieck is the only guy not doubled and that's because I got good level ups...and crit happens. Fun times. The downsides of HM bonuses. But so damn worth it. At least Fir is a lot easier to recruit.

[NinjaMonkey]

Raven deciding to suicidally attack a bunch of soldiers, the third of which will kill him...

(I was going to mention Heather of RD and her suicidal tendancies, but she's technically an 'Other' unit, so...)

[El Rey León]

Not knowing that you could kill the player units of the other group's army and that they wouldn't die for good in Radiant Dawn was very annoying.

I'm pretty sure the game tells you this at the beginning of a chapter.

I hated Douglas. He's pretty much what I use my Sleep Staff for, but he was still a pain. Another one was Hannibal, another stupid General.

I used to have trouble with Raven at first before I became used to it.

[Anouleth]

FE3 B2 Arran <<<<<< Jeigan.

No growths < Extremely low ones.

Uh, have you seen how much better Arran's base stats are than Jeigan's? Even if Jagen has better growths, he never catches up in speed or defense and takes a long time to catch up in strength (as if we'd train Jeigan past level 10 in the first place). And he doesn't have better growths. Arran does because he has 10% in WLV and DEF while Jeigan has 0.

[Loki Laufeyson]

Guy is the only one i had real trouble with in the past. He would end up either critting one of my guys or getting killed by attacking one of my guys. I dont have any issue with getting him now though. Same with Joshua.

[Parrhesia]

Wait, there are Matthis fans out there?

The myrms, except for Ayra.

Jamka has an uncanny tendency to display annoyingly intelligent behaviour. ...and for some reason can double the nihilled and equally 11ASed Ayra. Unless Killer Bows are 2 Weight, which, in hindsight, they might be. Still, he USUALLY won't kill Cuan/Sigurd...usually.

FUCK. CORPUL.

I tried to recruit Hannibal, could find no way to, said 'Fuck it, I'm sure that kid won't mind if I beat the shit out of his father figure', killed the prick, and he stood me up.

Need I mention he was carrying Holsety and my Elite Ring...?

[eclipse]

Navarre's odd sense of chivalry does not extend to Lena. That is all.

[Thor Odinson]

There was a bit in the Anime about it though. He joined the bandits after he saw her, and while he beat the crap out of Julian (perhaps still out of employee's loyalty or something), he did live to see Marth's army.

And then there was this epic standoff between him and Ogma before Caeda intervened.

[eclipse]

In-game, Navarre will attack Lena. So much for not wanting to hurt women.

[Thor Odinson]

Ah.

I never got Lena into his range to test it.

I wonder why programmers don't do what they did with Lloyd and Nino with these characters. I mean, it's clearly possible, since Lloyd won't attack Nino no matter what unless you hack or something.

[Galenforcer]

In-game, Navarre will attack Lena. So much for not wanting to hurt women.

In SD? Where personality is non-existant and we can only assume what they're like?

[eclipse]

In SD? Where personality is non-existant and we can only assume what they're like?

Recruitment conversation with Caeda.

[Galenforcer]

Recruitment conversation with Caeda.

That's only one conversation.