Vicious Sal Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) Can't wii draft without a wii... SO YAY LYN MODE! 8D Rules: - No Eliwood Mode Or Hector Mode - Free characters: Lyndis - 4 Players (3 + Me) will each draft three characters through an auction to complete Lyn Mode with. Yes, everyone will have only 4 characters. - Undrafted units may not: rescue drafted units, meatshield, break walls and snags, shop, support, visit villages, open doors. Exceptions are below. - However, Matthew may open the doors in his starting chapter. - One Undrafed unit may be used to meatshield in chapter 4. - Undrafted units may: trade with anyone, rescue other undrafted units, recruit other characters. - Penalty incurred is 3 turns. Unit List: Kent Sain Florina Wil Dorcas Serra Erk Rath Matthew Nils Lucius Wallace Tier list?: Why are there only two of these: Florina Kent Sain High: Dorcas Middle Rath Erk Mathew Low Wil Lucius Serra Nils You are late, and don't move Wallace Participants: Vicious Sal Clipseykitty Ring Wraith General Horace Auction round starters: 1st Unit: Clipseykitty - Vicious Sal Drafts Sain for 13 Turns 2nd Unit: General Horace - Vicious Sal Drafts Wil for 5 Turns 3rd Unit: Vicious Sal - Ring Wraith Drafts Dorcas for 5 Turns 4th: General Horace - Clipseykitty Drafts Nils for 4 Turns 5th: General Horace - Clipseykitty Drafts Serra for 3 Turns 6th: Ring Wraith - Ring Wraith Drafts Erk for 5 Turns 7th: Clipseykitty - General Horace Drafts Matthew for 3 Turns 8th: Vicious Sal - General Horace Drafts Kent for 8 Turns 9th: Ring Wraith - Ring Wraith drafts Wallace for 1 Turn 10th: Ring Wraith - Vicious Sal Drafts Florina for 20 Turns 11th: General Horace - Clipseykitty drafts Rath for 4 Turns 12th: Clipseykitty - General Horace Drafts Lucius for 1 turn How it works: The starter of the bidding will state an opening bid, and which character the bid is on. So... Clipseykitty would start with the first bid, let's say... I bid 1 Turn on Florina. (The starting bid will probably always be 1 turns 8D), after that everyone may keep bidding. At some point I will find the turns to high for a good reward, let's say, 44 turn for florina. So I say: "I'm Out" or something like that. Once everyone says I'm out, the last bid wins, and that character, and the turns are for that person. There is a maximum of 3 units (and Lyn, she's free) for everyone. If the starter of a bid Let's say Ring Wraith has Kent, Wallace & Nils, and he should start a bid (10th character) he may only state which character should be auctioned, he may not raise a bid, since he has three characters already. I hope i'm not really vague here. =/ Sal (38) Sain 13 Will 5 Florina 20 Wraith (11) Dorcas 5 Erk 5 Wallace 1 eclipse (11) Nils 4 Serra 3 Rath 4 Horace (12) Matthew 3 Kent 8 Lucius 1 Edited August 1, 2011 by Vicious Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 *enters, and might actually finish this one* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 You should ban Florina and make it 5 players leaving Wallace (or whoever) undrafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 You should ban Florina and make it 5 players leaving Wallace (or whoever) undrafted. No. Florina has chapter 7 where she shines, as it is a defeat boss chapter, the rest is rout, defend & seize. Chapter 8 has the ballista.'And when going for seize, she probably can't rescue Lyn & survive. I am not going to leave one unit out. It's a short draft to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Well, then whoever drafts Florina wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Well, then whoever drafts Florina wins. I've so far found one draft where there will be declared a winner. A RD draft. It's a short, fun, and easy draft. With so little units, starting to ban doesn't help. =/ People with Kent, Sain, Florina will probably end up with Wallace, Serra and Lucius? Units that do not contribute a lot. It's just for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 The picks should go like this: 1: Florina, Serra 2: Kent, Matt 3: Sain, Nils 4: Dorcas, Wil 5: Erk, Wallace 6: Rath, Lucius Why would anyone want to play with those teams? Not to mention that both Kent and Sain will promote, but everyone else won't. That almost makes the worth being the first two. Actually, it probably does. You also have the issue that at least one of these teams probably can't kill Lundgren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 You can just check out my draft where LM characters were drafted first. Team Florina and Lucius, finished in 63 turns. Team Matthew and Erk finished in 106 turns. Team Dorcas and Serra finished in 99 turns. Team Kent and Rath finished in 90 turns. Team Sain and Wil apparently took 124 turns. Now only Soul was an experienced player I'd say, and he had Florina, but even still that's a huge difference from 1st to 2nd. All that said, if you don't want to learn from my mistakes, then feel free to do it however you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Florina, Sain and Kent will rape this draft to hell. Aka this is a fucking stupid idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I don't think that it's a terrible idea, it's a fast and fun draft and everyone is likely to finish. There are just some glaring holes in the issue of balance, but if that's not a big concern to those involved, then that's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Florina, Sain and Kent will rape this draft to hell. Aka this is a fucking stupid idea. Oh wow, are you suffering from a syndrom that makes you this blunt and aggresive? The above post shows that the person who drafted Sain ended up last btw. Anyway. I'll try to think of something else to do with it which should even it out. But I am not going to ban units, there are just so few. Maybe knight's crest should be sold. Since promoted unis do rape more indeed. I am not going to Ban units though, period. It's just for fun. Although certain people have a job at spoiling fun, right JBWCkitty? Seriously, grow a nice personality. >___> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Wraith Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) Fun. I'll do it. To make it more interesting, you could do a point system, so if you get Kent/Sain/Florina, you don't get another unit. Tier list was a bit strange (personally, I'm not sure I'd have Wallace and Nils in Low. 10 point maximum for a team. 10 Points: Florina Kent Sain 8 Points: Dorcas Lucius 6 Points: Rath Erk 2 Points Wil Matthew Serra Nils Wallace Edited August 1, 2011 by Ring Wraith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 You might want to consider an auction draft. With so few units, it should actually work - as if you say, take Florina/Kent/Sain, they might well be your only unit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Might very well work, though i'd think bidding with turn would work here quite well. Since there isn't much of a choice, and you want high tiers. With a maximum of drafting two units. I think that'll work. Thanks guys :) And yeaqh, the tier list has a question mark besides it, because I do not know much of the tier lists here, i'm mainly in RD. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I don't think a character maximum is necessary. If someone is stupid enough to draft enough characters that someone else gets none, well, that person can just take ~40 turns of penalty (4 turns per chapter per undrafted character is normal, right?) and use Florina as though they'd drafted her. Of course, the person drafting everyone has probably spent enough turns on drafting they'll simply lose. If you do have a maximum, it shouldn't be two. 4 is probably fine, as if someone thinks it's worth spending extra turns to have a large team, well, let them. The advantages of drafting in turns is, firstly, it's something we know the value of, and secondly, there's no upper limit. I think I prefer that to points. Anyway I don't do drafts but I'd strongly advocate trying a turns auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Wraith Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) Another option (if more people don't sign up...) is to do a double playthrough, with the three of us drafting two teams each, and combining the turncounts between the two. Each person would get a Florina/Kent/Sain (if they're smart drafters), and yet the other team of theirs would struggle a bit more. Edited July 31, 2011 by Ring Wraith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 One of the reasons why it took me 106 turns was because I forgot to buy Erk more Fire tomes so Lyn soloed C8 and most of C9, thus taking longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 You don't fucking tell people to grow a nice personality, and you have no right to judge me for that. Having a draft of a game with 10 characters and having one particular character trivialise it reeks of stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) I'll join just because I want to see how many turns Florina actually saves. Random Draft order, yes? Edited August 1, 2011 by General_Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 You don't fucking tell people to grow a nice personality, and you have no right to judge me for that. Having a draft of a game with 10 characters and having one particular character trivialise it reeks of stupid. Well, you could start being charismatic to avoid people from judging you like that. Just sayin'. It's true that Kent, Sain and Florina are amazing draftees. But that doesn't mean they're auto-win. They just afford you that certain potential, but in the end, it's all up to the skill of the player...and even some small share of luck. Florina is gr9mazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 I'll join just because I want to see how many turns Florina actually saves. Random Draft order, yes? I'll add you to the list. And with an auction, I only randomize the order of bidding, who starts that is. After that, everyone can bid as much as they want. *Guess I'll start just because I have to finish this before saturday. And people enough.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I wouldn't actually consider Dorcas to be better than Lucius. Lucius 1RKO's off the bat at 2-rane with flawless Hit. Dorcas can survive 3-4 rounds of combat, but isn't actually all that helpful. His only source of 2-range, Hand axes, have Hit issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Are we using Ring Wraith's 10 point maximum then? Also, just read in the OP, the gaiden isn't mandatory, but all you need to do is complete the previous chapter in 15 turns, which is simple. Personally, I think it should be mandatory. Edited August 1, 2011 by General_Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) As I said, that tier list sucks, cause I dunno this fire emblem tier list all that well. Anyway: EDIT: And good point on the gaiden. I'll scrap that rule. Participants: Vicious Sal Clipseykitty Ring Wraith General Horace Auction round starters: 1st Unit: Clipseykitty 2nd Unit: General Horace 3rd Unit: Vicious Sal 4th: General Horace 5th: General Horace 6th: Ring Wraith 7th: Clipseykitty 8th: Vicious Sal 9th: Ring Wraith 10th: Ring Wraith 11th: General Horace 12th: Clipseykitty How it works: The starter of the bidding will state an opening bid, and which character the bid is on. So... Clipseykitty would start with the first bid, let's say... I bid 1 Turn on Florina. (The starting bid will probably always be 1 turns 8D), after that everyone may keep bidding. At some point I will find the turns to high for a good reward, let's say, 44 turn for florina. So I say: "I'm Out" or something like that. Once everyone says I'm out, the last bid wins, and that character, and the turns are for that person. There is a maximum of 3 units (and Lyn, she's free) for everyone. If the starter of a bid Let's say Ring Wraith has Kent, Wallace & Nils, and he should start a bid (10th character) he may only state which character should be auctioned, he may not raise a bid, since he has three characters already. I hope i'm not really vague here. =/ Clipseykitty! What is your opening, Character and starting Bid please! =D Edited August 1, 2011 by Vicious Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Wraith Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 So we're only doing it with four? Interesting. I guess it works with the auction-turn style though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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