Flying Shogi Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 So I've been told by my teacher that we get an infinite # of solutions when we deal with non square systems. However, in the hw, I've encountered a problem in which the # of variables is equal to the # of equations and the correct answer has infinite # of solutions. So how do I know when I have an infinite # of solutions? If it helps, this is the question: x+2y-7z=-4 2x+y+z=13 3x+9y-36z=-33 Ans this is the answer: -3a+10,5a-7,a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikethfc Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Check your working, if you're getting infinite solutions you've gone wrong somewhere. [spoiler=What I did] Reduce it to x+2y-z -3y+11z=21 3y-15z=-21 Add the last two rows and you'll get -4z=0 and by extension z=0 input it in you get y=-7, z=10 Also what I've done isn't in Echelon form I was just too lazy to finish reducing it. As for the infinite solutions it will be when some of the lines are collinear eg. x-2y=5 2x-4y=10 so the second row is just two times the first equation, so they're effectively the same which means 2 unknowns and 1 equation, solution would be {5+2y,y} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Shogi Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 This is straight from the textbook. Those answers are in the back of the book. I got the same answers but I just don't understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikethfc Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 x+2y-7z=-4 2x+y+3z=13 3x+9y-36z=-33 Ans this is the answer: -3a+10,5a-7,a Well if you put that into the second row you get -6a+20+5a-7+3a=13 and the LHS simplifies to 13+2a, which is only possible if a=0 Also I double-checked on Wolfram Alpha and that seems to be agreeing with me. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x%2B2y-7z%3D-4%2C+2x%2By%2B3z%3D13%2C+3x%2B9y-36z%3D-33 So it would seem that the answers are needlessly complicating things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Shogi Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 Sorry, it seems like I've miscopied the problem. However, the answer stays the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikethfc Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Okay you cancel out the xs in rows 2 and 3 which leaves you with x+2y-7z=-4 -3y+15z=21 3y-15z=-21 and you can see that they're co-linear because row 3 is equal to row 2 times minus 1 so you get infinite solutions so let z=a re-arranging to make y the subject gives 5a-7=y inputtint these values into row 1 and re-arranging to make x the subject gives x=-4-2y+7z=10-3a So the solution is {10-3a,5a-7,a} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Shogi Posted May 8, 2012 Author Share Posted May 8, 2012 Okay you cancel out the xs in rows 2 and 3 which leaves you with x+2y-7z=-4 -3y+15z=21 3y-15z=-21 and you can see that they're co-linear because row 3 is equal to row 2 times minus 1 so you get infinite solutions Thank you. Especially for this. My chances of failing tomorrow's test have decreased a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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