MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) At the time of writing, we are nearing the end of Ragefest 3 (Albeit rather slowly). As such, I've been contemplating on various things surrounding Ragefest 4. Will there be a Ragefest 4? I have tons of free time, but even on busy days, I can always make time for myself to do all the things I enjoy, but the keyword here is "enjoy". Maybe this is my depression speaking, but my passion for the contest has dwindled over time, and I don't really know why. Perhaps my patience and tolerance for bullshit has gotten worse, or perhaps the hacks have simply stepped up their troll game since the beginning of the series, making it hard to muscle through them, but I've started to become very irritable in my Ragefest videos, and it's not the good kind either; it's the bitchy, petty kind that annoys rather than entertains. People will likely disagree with me on this and be like "OH BUT MARC, YOUR PETTY BITCHING IS GREAT AND I LOVE YOU. NOW MAKE ME A SANDWICH", but I've never really taken other people's opinions of my videos seriously in the first place, because I find it hard to believe my videos are perfect by any means, and tend to become angry when I'm rained with praise (And even then, I sometimes don't take criticism well either). On the other hand, I know a lot of people didn't finish their submissions in time for Ragefest 3, and I really do want them to have their chance to shine, especially since some of the people who didn't make it were people I know to be quite accomplished hackers. I could easily just NOT have a contest and LP their finished submission anyway, but some people entered to win (Like people SHOULD be doing in this contest), which means their primary motivation for making a submission in the first place would be gone. So to answer this question, I don't know. Where is the Ragefest 4 thread going to be? When Norodo and I launch the new Fire Emblem Universe forums, the thread will exclusively be there. Some of you will likely be mad about this, and you're entitled to whine all you want, but this is not something I intend to budge on. That said, you don't need to be a member of that forum to give a submission. You can PM the submission to me on Serenes Forest, The Emblem Brigade, Shrine of Seals, The Fire Emblem Shrine, and the Fire Emblem cafe. You can also e-mail it to me through my e-mail account, which is markyjoe1990@gmail.com, or contact me on YouTube and send it from there. For forums I go to that aren't Fire Emblem Universe, I will leave a reply in the Ragefest 3 thread of that corresponding forum to notify people when Ragefest 4 has started. Will the rules/goals be changed? I don't know. While I like giving people as much freedom to design their submission any way they like, there's nothing I hate more than recording a submission and ending the footage with absolutely no progress. It's the most demotivating feeling ever, and it's the reason why I put off PwnageKirby's submission for so long. I feared that I would end the video accomplishing nothing. It made me realize that with how the rules are now, people can make a non-luck based chapter that is still extremely unpleasant to play, which may effect the speed at which I upload submissions and may be effecting my attitude towards the contest in general. This hurts everybody. So I may change the rules for Ragefest 4 - particularly the save state limit rule (I usually break it anyway) - to dull the level of frustration I receive from submissions. Additionally, Ragefest 3 was very enlightening on the potential of FEXP vs. ROM Hacking, which is to say that FEXP is laggy, has clunky controls, constantly crashes (CONSTANTLY), and has no save state function. It also has enormous unfair advantages such as MP3 compatibility, an easy-to-learn coding language, which can be used to mess with the player in interesting ways, and having more space for stuff in general. Personally, I hate FEXP, and it's annoying and inconvenient for me to record on it, but I understand a lot of people like it's friendlier approach to things than ROM hacking, and it's absence would greatly lower the potential of some really interesting mindfucks. Regardless, I'm debating on whether I want to ban FEXP, make a category of FEXP submissions that will be judged separately from ROM hacks, or simply continue things as they were in Ragefest 3. When the new Fire Emblem Universe comes around, ROM Hacking will be a lot friendlier to approach than previously, so perhaps FEXP won't be needed at all. It all depends on how things rolls out. Anything else, Markyjoe? I feel I should let people know that a lot of Ragefest submissions have enormous pacing issues (Ephraim225's RF3 submission), or major exploits that trivialize them (Klokinator's RF3 Submission). Both of these things make the submission really tedious to play, and makes it hard for me to maintain my interest. It also makes me have to do a lot of editing post-production, which, again, factors into how long it takes for me to upload submissions (Ephraim225's submission especially was an editing mess and was yet another reason why Ragefest 3 had so many uploading delays). I also feel people should put more effort into the stories of their submissions. I know the point of the contest is to make a funny chapter, but you can still make an interesting story without compromising humor. A good story can do a lot of good for your submission. Cedar Nyx's submission wouldn't have been nearly as successful if it didn't have it's flawed, but entertaining story. And with that, I bid y'all farewell. Discussion is encouraged. Edited June 7, 2012 by MarkyJoe1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'm not part of this but reading through just made me curious, why the thread move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'm not part of this but reading through just made me curious, why the thread move? The new Fire Emblem Universe is gonna need all the help it can get for a good launch. Seeing how I'm going to be the guy running FEU, I have a pretty darn big reason to exclusify Ragefest 4's thread to there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladehero22 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hmm... This could even get ME to enter. And I want to. I have a special trap planned for you, that I don't think ANYONE has pulled yet. But first, my motivation for joining this contest: I will enter the contest because I want to piss you off, and win for it. I apologize for not being able to participate in Ragefest 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I will enter the contest because I want to piss you off, and win for it. Just by posting in this topic you've pissed off at least 45 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celice Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Just by posting in this topic you've pissed off at least 45 people. And entertained the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 When the new Fire Emblem Universe comes around, ROM Hacking will be a lot friendlier to approach than previously, so perhaps FEXP won't be needed at all. It all depends on how things rolls out. I doubt this, btw. I seriously doubt this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hmm... This could even get ME to enter. And I want to. I have a special trap planned for you, that I don't think ANYONE has pulled yet. Unless it's some epic ASM hack, I doubt it's all that original. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 I doubt this, btw. I seriously doubt this. If nothing else, ROMs are better optimized and don't have clunky controls and tons of annoying glitches. I'd go as far as to say ROM hacks, while not very friendly to make, are a lot friendlier to play. That said, I really don't like FEXP, and I don't really feel it should have a place in this contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Fair enough, it's up to you what you wanna do with your contest '3' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 *klok makes his own contest called Ragefexp* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Keep FEXP. Pwnagekirby's RNG-setting alone shows what can be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Keep FEXP. Pwnagekirby's RNG-setting alone shows what can be done with it. He doesn't want it because lack of savestates and the controls are slow. Frankly, I don't really blame him for it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Keep FEXP. Pwnagekirby's RNG-setting alone shows what can be done with it. With all of it's amazing versatility, I still think it's not worth putting up with the engine's slowness, clunkiness, and lack of savestates. I can back up my suspends to slightly cover up the savestate problem, but it requires me to make a copy of my suspends and then rename those copies to "suspend" when I want to use them. Then I have to go back to the title screen and load the suspend, which is tedious and way less convenient than simply pressing the "load savestate" button on my emulator. It's also hard to keep track of which suspends do what. It's a chore, and it makes it hard for me to maintain my commentary mindset. Also, take note that these problems tend to lead me into procrastinating on FEXP submissions a lot because of how little fun have I have actually playing them. PwnageKirby's submission, while possessing a really interesting gimmick, took memorization to the most ridiculous extreme. This, along with the engine's already existing problems, made every session very boring for me, effectively ruining my enthusiasm and commentary. Edited June 8, 2012 by MarkyJoe1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Can't you 'savestate' in FEXP by copy-pasting the suspend file? Or did Yeti disable that? Fuck my reading comprehension. Edited June 8, 2012 by L95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Can't you savestate in FEXP by copy-pasting the suspend file? Or did Yeti disable that? Look at the post above yours. I explained that I can do this, but it's very tedious and inconvenient. Edit: Looks like you found it. Edited June 8, 2012 by MarkyJoe1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Y-you realize I personally included a savestate and suspend system in my submission, right? Maybe it's not lightning fast but it's reliable and works exactly the same way a savestate would. Edit: Just checked, and you used my savestate feature multiple times in my submission video lol. Edited June 8, 2012 by Adolf Klokler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Y-you realize I personally included a savestate and suspend system in my submission, right? Maybe it's not lightning fast but it's reliable and works exactly the same way a savestate would. Yeah, I noticed. It's a bit more convenient. But only yours had it. Yours was also significantly less frustrating in general because I didn't die nearly as much. And you're right, but while your savestate feature is far from slow, you still have to go back to the main menu just to access it. I prefer having it at the press of a button. Plus, I sometimes like having multiple savestates in case I end up savestating into an unwinnable scenerio, or something else happens. Edited June 8, 2012 by MarkyJoe1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 This is just my personal opinion, but if I were hosting this competition, I'd want to avoid playing and commentating boring or tedious games as much as possible. Which essentially means that if I don't like it, I don't want to play it. While I can't be that picky on a random basis, I would allow myself to be picky by limiting the submissions themselves based on the engine, which is fair enough: It's a pre-submission regulation, not a post-one, and it's based off of feelings of "I don't like this engine so I'm more likely than not not going to enjoy this hack". ...in short, if I were Markyjoe, I'd say no FEXP submissions as well, and if I were Strawhat Luffy, I'd be fine with the situation. oh wait I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) This is just my personal opinion, but if I were hosting this competition, I'd want to avoid playing and commentating boring or tedious games as much as possible. While I don't want to LP boring submissions, I feel it's unfair to the person who made it. Submissions can take a while to make. It's painful to put time into something only for it to be given the boot. On the other hand, it really gets in the way of my enjoyment if a submission is particularly bad... I'm gonna try and figure this out. Edited June 8, 2012 by MarkyJoe1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 yes of course which is why if you think it's not going to be enjoyable from the start, then prevent them from making it so they don't spend that time as is the case with FEXP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Dude, if it really gets to you then ban it. It's your contest and it's not like you haven't tried it, you don't need to put yourself through such problems, I'm sure people will understand. Alternatively screen FEXP concepts to see if you could put up with them and bar them before they waste their if you don't think you can. Basically what I'm saying is that it's not worth putting yourself through mental hardship (for lack of a better word) for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladehero22 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Dude, if it really gets to you then ban it. It's your contest and it's not like you haven't tried it, you don't need to put yourself through such problems, I'm sure people will understand. Alternatively screen FEXP concepts to see if you could put up with them and bar them before they waste their if you don't think you can. Basically what I'm saying is that it's not worth putting yourself through mental hardship (for lack of a better word) for this. He's got a point. FEXP is just annoying in general and I personally hate the controls. They're fucked up, and if anything, While FEXP is easier to work with, it's slow and you have NO save states. If you feel it should have no place in the contest, then ban it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felover3 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'll be patiently waiting until this contest launches to start, but I have to say I'm exicted to lose even more fantastically in RF4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyJoe1990 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) I'll be patiently waiting until this contest launches to start, but I have to say I'm exicted to lose even more fantastically in RF4. Actually FELover3... you might win Ragefest 3. Like, you actually have something of a chance. DX My best friend Luizprower even intends to vote for you unless I somehow amaze him with my submission. You made him laugh really hard. Edited June 8, 2012 by MarkyJoe1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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