Paper Jam Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) I'm sure there is very low demand for guides to the final boss, but I'm bored, and I thought I'd share my musings and calculations regarding the Dragon. First, about the Dragon itself: I will be using its HHM stats. -Strength 19, plus a 20 point bonus from the Flametongue: The Dragon does 39 damage, so make sure that your dragon-slayers all have at least 40 HP so as not to be OHKOed. -Attack Speed 16: Make sure that your dragon-slayers have an AS of at least 13 so as not to be double-attacked. With an AS of 20, you can double-attack the Dragon. -Defense 20, plus a 20 point bonus from the Flametongue: This is what makes most weapons useless against him. -Resistance 30, plus a 10 point bonus from the Flametongue: This is what makes most magic useless against him. EDIT: VincentASM has advised me that the HHM stats of enemies are not static, and there is a possibility that the Dragon's strength may be 20 (requiring at least 41 HP not to be OHKOed and ensuring that Athos would be OHKOed.) By similar tokens, the Dragon's Speed, Defense, and Resistance may also vary. Lyn -As a Blade Lord (Con 6) wielding the Sol Katti (Wt 14), Lyn suffers an 8 point penalty to her AS. -Lyn needs at least 21 Speed not to be double-attacked by the Dragon and 28 Speed to double-attack. -Lyn needs at least 17 Strength to inflict any damage on the Dragon at all, and unfortunately, her low Strength growth means she isn't very likely to have it. Moreover, her Strength caps at 24, so each of her attacks can only inflict a maximum of 8 damage, even if the RNG was kind to her Strength. Eliwood -As a Knight Lord (Con 9) wielding Durandal (Wt 16), Eliwood suffers a 7 point penalty to his AS. -With a Speed cap of 24, Eliwood can never get his AS high enough to double-attack the Dragon, unless he uses 2 Body Rings and caps his Speed. -His speed must be at least 20 not to be double-attacked, again unless he uses Body Rings. -Durandal's high Might and effective bonus against the Dragon mean that Eliwood will inflict his Strength minus 6 in damage with each attack. Unfortunately, although Eliwood has a pretty high Strength cap, he is unlikely to reach it. Hector -As a Great Lord (Con 15) wielding Armads (Wt 18), Hector suffers a 3 point penalty to his AS. -Hector needs his Speed to be at least 16 in order not to be double-attacked. -With capped or nearly capped Speed, Hector can double-attack the Dragon. -Hector'e strength growth is fairly high, and in terms of penetrating the Dragon's defenses, Armads is second only to Luna; Hector will inflict damage equal to his Strength score minus 4. Or twice that, if he was lucky enough to cap his Speed. In short, Hector is very good for whittling the Dragon's HP down. Canas -As a Druid (Con 8) wielding Luna (Wt 12), Canas suffers a 4 point penalty to his AS. -Minimum Speed not to be double-attacked: 17. -Minimum Speed to double-attack: 24. Speed Cap: 26. -Canas' Magic and Speed growths are fairly low, so he isn't likely to give Athos a run for his money. Unlike Athos, however, Canas has the potential to double-attack the Dragon, so he could potentially do more overall damage than Athos. Lucius As a Bishop (Con 7) wielding Aureola (Wt 14), Lucius suffers a 7 point penalty to his AS. -Like Eliwood, Lucius cannot double-attack the Dragon without increases to his Constitution and needs 20 Speed not to be double-attacked himself. -Lucius is quite likely to max out his Magic stat, but even so, he won't inflict more than 15 damage to the Dragon. (His Magic stat minus 10) Athos -As an Archsage (Con 9) wielding Luna (Wt 12), Athos suffers a 3 point penalty to his AS. Wielding Forblaze (Wt 11), he suffers a 2 point penalty to his AS. -He does 12 more damage and is more likely to crit with Luna than with Forblaze. -Your backup guy, if you need him. ***** As far as I know, that covers all of the weapons that are effective against the Dragon, and who can wield them. I omitted some of the more... obscure... possibilities, like Serra wielding Aureola (since she compares unfavorably to Lucius due to her low Con, and getting her to S-rank Light magic is a pain and a half) and Heath wielding the Wyrmslayer (since I'm not even sure that the Wyrmslayer is effective against the Dragon, and even if so, Heath with capped Strength would only inflict one point of damage). I also disregarded the S-rank weapons that didn't have an effective bonus against the Dragon, but on reflection, a Strength-capped warrior or berserker wielding Basilikos could actually do decent damage to the Dragon. Unfortunately, I can't be bothered to analyze the warriors and berserkers at the moment. Feedback is welcome, of course. Edited December 8, 2012 by Paper Jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 You could mention the dragon can deal 40 damage if you're unlucky and they get 20 Strength. Which means Athos may have to be your final attacker or sacrifice in that sitation ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Jam Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) You could mention the dragon can deal 40 damage if you're unlucky and they get 20 Strength. Which means Athos may have to be your final attacker or sacrifice in that sitation ^^ Thanks. Duly noted. I assume that the rest of the Dragon's stats are equally variable. Edited December 8, 2012 by Paper Jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 In terms of Basilikos users, assuming average stats floored, it's Dart > Geitz > Bartre > Hawkeye = Dorcas Dart is the best, he will be able to double for 7x2 damage at 20/8. Thanks to his Strength growth, he's doing the maximum non-effective non-Luna damage of 12x2 at 20/16 Geitz is the only other one who can expect to double, inflicting 6x2 damage at lv 18, up to 7x2 at lv 20. Bartre avoids being doubled to 20/8, doing 4 damage. He will do 10 damage at 20/20. Hawkeye avoids being doubled at lv 12, doing 3 damage. He will do 6 damage at lv 20. Dorcas avoids being doubled at 20/19, doing 11 damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Have you factored in supports? For example, Eliwood with A Lowen/B Lyn will be doing an additional 5 damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escroc Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 would lyn or dart's crit rate and nils' rings be worth noting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 would lyn or dart's crit rate and nils' rings be worth noting? Doubtful on the crit rate; the dragon has 24 Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) Doubtful on the crit rate; the dragon has 24 Luck. It can be notable if you further boost it with supports, actually, at least in Dart's case. Edited December 9, 2012 by Scarlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) It can be notable if you further boost it with supports, actually, at least in Dart's case. But Dart doesn't exactly have good skill, and his fastest supports are with archers; his other full crit supports aren't guaranteed to be recruited. Edited December 9, 2012 by Levant Fortner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Wil is the best suited for taking down the dragon: But yeah, supports can make a big difference when it comes to criticals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escroc Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 wow wil orko the dragon.. I've now seen it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Jam Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) I guess it was remiss of me not to include information about Supports, since they do indeed increase the damage that can be inflicted on the Dragon. (And with them, Wil can indeed inflict 20 damage on the Dragon, as shown above). I believe that the relevant stats are Attack and Critical: Fire, Wind, Light, and Anima provide bonuses to Attack, while Fire, Thunder, Wind, Dark, and Light provide bonuses to Critical. Those whose personal affinities give them an Attack bonus can increase their Attack by up to 5 with the right Supports, while others can only increase it by 1 or 2; those whose affinities give them a Crit bonus can increase their Crit rating by up to 25 with the right Supports, while others can increase it by up to 12. Lyn's supports Her own Wind affinity automatically gives her an Attack bonus, as do her potential supports with Eliwood, Florina, Kent, or Wil. Florina and Wil will also increase her crit rating, as will her own affinity. Hector, Rath, or Wallace will increase her Crit rating but won't increase her Attack. Eliwood's supports His own Anima affinity gives him an Attack bonus, as do his potential supports with Lyn, Lowen, Harken, or Fiora. While all of these characters give him increases to his Crit rating, his own affinity does not. Hector's supports His own Thunder affinity does not give him an Attack bonus, but fortunately, he doesn't need it. More fortunately, it does give him a Crit bonus, as do his potential supports with Lyn, Matthew, Florina, and Serra. If he really needs the extra two damage, anybody except Serra can give it to him. Canas' supports His own Anima affinity gives him an Attack bonus, as do his potential supports with Nino, Vaida, or Renault. However, as his efficacy against the Dragon depends on Luna's high Crit rating, it may be more beneficial to support Nino, Vaida, or Bartre to increase his personal Crit rating. Lucius' supports His own Light affinity gives him an Attack bonus, as do his potential supports with Priscilla, Renault, or Karel. If Critical hits are an issue, Lucius' own affinity and supports with Priscilla, Serra, or Karel will increase his Crit rating. Dart's supports His own Fire affinity gives him an Attack bonus, as do his potential supports with anybody except Geitz. For Crit, his own affinity is also good, and so are his supports with anybody except Farina. Bartre's supports His own Thunder affinity gives him a Crit bonus but no Attack bonus, but the only possible supports that increase his Crit bonus further are with Dorcas and Karla. For an extra two damage, Bartre can support Dorcas, Canas, and/or Renault. Wil's supports Support him with Lyn, Rebecca, and/or Dart for maximum increases to both Attack and Critical rating. By the way, that video of Wil taking down the Dragon had him with capped Strength, maxed out Supports with Lyn, Rebecca, and/or Dart, and the Filla's Might bonus. ***** I am also considering Oswin: his Con is high enough that Rex Hasta doesn't slow him down, and he has good Strength growth if not good Speed growth. But his Speed growth is only 5 points lower than Canas', and I included him... Supports with Matthew, Priscilla, or Dorcas will also increase his Attack by up to 5. Edited December 9, 2012 by Paper Jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Sal Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Has the Luna tome been mentioned yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) With Canas or Athos, yes... Can we mention Eclipse here ? It's pretty good when it work (yeah... or more likely if) Edited December 9, 2012 by TendaSlime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) Can we mention Eclipse here ? It's pretty good when it work (yeah... or more likely if) I'd say Eclipse isn't worth mentioning because hitting with it is a pretty big if... even Athos has a sub-50% hit rate on the dragon with it. Edited December 9, 2012 by Levant Fortner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 If I've done my numbers right, Canas can get a decent hit rate with Eclipse. . .but that requires the tactician being Anima, him being fully supported with people that aren't Renault/Bartre, maxed Skill/Luck (HAH), and S-Ranked Dark. In other words, not unless you abuse for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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