Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) http://www.serenesforest.net/general/timeline.html#fe4 Timelines The evidence speaks for itself. =) Except for the part that says Jugdral uses the Gran Calendar, and Akaneia uses the, well, Akaneian Calendar. Two different calendar, so no, they're not the same. Evidence of Jugdral events happening before Akaneia events here. Edited February 19, 2013 by Acacia Sgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Like I said before, I don't think Grima is either Medeus or Loptous, though he is a member of their race. Both may be a part of him though. And I'm certain Medeus and Loptous aren't the same. Seeing as Medeus survived the war between the Earth Dragons and the Divine Dragons. Edited February 19, 2013 by Little Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Except for the part that says Jugdral uses the Gran Calendar, and Akaneia uses the, well, Akaneian Calendar. Two different calendar, so no, they're not the same. Evidence of Jugdral events happening before Akaneia events here. Then I've had it mixed up. Judgral was actually Medeus' second plan. Anri's was his first, but wasn't seen with no footage other than reading in the timeline! He this time took the children under their wing only to fuel for his revival and he seemed to favor humans for the second time. As survivors were actually Medeus(Julius) faithful servents. But Medeus soon after despised them after being treated like an outcast among his breatheren and thereafter both Anri and Seliph defeated him. Seliph isn't Marth's decendant, no, but for all we know Anri could be Seliph's decendant before Prince Marth was born. And Seliph was born 224 years after Anri. So..... Anri's era (Medeus's first plan) (No telling of what happened in this era other than the timeline. Nintendo should really make a game of about Anri so we know alot more about him and his friends.) Judgral era (Medeus's second plan) Archanea (Prince Marth's era) (Medeus's third plan) Grima (Unknown) 498 - Anri, a youth of Altea, a developing town in a remote region, obtains the divine Falchion sword and slays Medeus. - Downfall of the Dolunian Empire. - The Kingdom of Akaneia is restored. 537 - Anri, King of Altea, dies. - Due to succession troubles, the Kingdom of Gra splits from Altea and becomes independent. 759 - Fall of the Kingdom of Isaac - Celice Baldos Chalphy is born in Agusty - Fall of the Kingdom of Agustria - The Empire brand Chalphy traitors - Sigurd escapes to Silesia - Cuan returns to Lenster 760 - Civil war of Silesia - Leaf Faris Claus is born in Lenster 760 - Leaf was born in Lenster 761 - Lachesis visits Lenster and gives birth to Nanna in the following year And this shows that Leif is actually a year younger than Seliph and that Nanna was born a year after Leif making her a year younger than him. Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Again. How can Loptous and Medeus be the same when Medeus actually (and physically) survived the war between the Earth Dragons and the Divine Dragons, and Loptous didn't? Edited February 19, 2013 by Little Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Again. How can Loptous and Medeus be the same when Medeus actually survived the war between the Earth Dragons and the Divine Dragons, and Loptous didn't? Loptous's spirit survived. He only inhabited Julius' body. His host started to form inside Julius'spirit thereafter Medeus' spirit invaded Loptous's to cause of the wrong doings; and that Medeus' host got restored from all of the sacrifices that was given to Loptous upon which Medeus inhabited to awaken his revival to cause havoc in Marth's era. Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Loptous's spirit survived. He only inhabited Julius' body as Loptous was actually Medeus' host. If I recall correctly, the Jugdral games predate the Archanea games. Loptous is pretty much long gone by the time the events in the Archanea games happen. It's impossible for what you mention to happen. Especially when given the time periods. Edited February 19, 2013 by Little Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Then I've had it mixed up. Judgral was actually Medeus' second plan. He this time took the children under their wing only to fuel for his revival and he seemed to favor humans for the second time. As survivors were actually Medeus(Julius) faithful servents. But Medeus despised them after being treated like an outcast among his breatheren thereafter both Anri and Seliph defeated him. Seliph isn't Marth's decendant, no, but for all we know Anri could be Seliph's decendant before Prince Marth was born. And Seliph was born 224 years after Anri. So..... Anri's era (Medeus's first plan) (No telling of what happened in this era other than the timeline. Nintendo should really make a game of about Anri so we know alot more about him and his friends.) Judgral era (Medeus's second plan) Archanea (Prince Marth's era) (Medeus's thrid plan) Grima (Unknown) Again, both calendars are separate. Gran and Akaneia were not founded at the same year. If you read the Designer's Notes you'll see Bishop Galle met Lopto at the time Naga battled the Earth Dragons. In the Gran Calendar, that's Year 440. In the Akaneian Calendar, it's the Year -740. Akaneia was yet to be formed even when Celice was around leading the Liberation Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) If I recall correctly, the Jugdral games predate the Archanea games. Loptous is pretty much long gone by the time the events in the Archanea games happen. It's impossible for what you mention to happen. Especially when given the time periods. Medeus inhabited Loptuous's body after his defeat as his spirit lived on because of it. Loptous was actually very kind to people until Medeus ruined it by inhabiting Loptous's body which entered Julius' thereafter his birth. After Loptuous' death Medeus somehow got his own host back which that is the part that I'm still trying to figure out. EDIT: http://www.serenesforest.net/general/timeline.html#fe4 448 - Galle becomes Emperor of the Loputo Empire 449 - The Great Purge - A hundred thousand people killed Wait a munute.... It actually never says here in the timeline that Loptous was defeated. But he was a kind soul at first long after Galle's purging. Sacrificial to the Dark God is what made life happen again in Judgral long after Galle's evil ambitions. Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) 448 - Galle becomes Emperor of the Loputo Empire 449 - The Great Purge - A hundred thousand people killed Wait a munute.... It actually never says here in the timeline that Loptous was defeated. But he was a kind soul at first long after Galle's purging. I highly doubt that. Considering the fact that Loptous is behind most of Julius's actions in FE4. Edited February 19, 2013 by Little Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Again, both calendars are separate. Gran and Akaneia were not founded at the same year. If you read the Designer's Notes you'll see Bishop Galle met Lopto at the time Naga battled the Earth Dragons. In the Gran Calendar, that's Year 440. In the Akaneian Calendar, it's the Year -740. Akaneia was yet to be formed even when Celice was around leading the Liberation Army. -10 - The Fane of Raman is devastated by someone, and the sword and shield are taken away. First year of the Akaneian calendar - The Holy Kingdom of Akaneia is founded. - Dragons that have lost their powers, Manaketes, are despised by people, and live poorly in a remote region of the earth. It says there that Archanea was actually formed 10 years after Judgral. During that time was when all of Jugdral's first happenings started which was then Loptous keeping the continent at bayfor 400+ years before Galle and Medeus started ruining that! Medeus' first happening had to have come from the continent of Archanea. Which was never named that beforehand, or it had to be from a different continent around the happening within 10 years of Loptous keeping Judgral at bay. I highly doubt that. Considering the fact that Loptous is behind most of Julius's actions in FE4. Yep. Julius wasn't really evil. He was only controlled easily because of him having Loptous's blood. Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) -10 - The Fane of Raman is devastated by someone, and the sword and shield are taken away. First year of the Akaneian calendar - The Holy Kingdom of Akaneia is founded. - Dragons that have lost their powers, Manaketes, are despised by people, and live poorly in a remote region of the earth. It says there that Archanea was actually formed 10 years after Judgral. During that time was when all of Jugdral's first happenings started! No, it doesn't. Where in that does it states that Gran was founded only 10 years before Akaneia, or even it's events happening there? The Fane of Raman incident happened with Akaneia's first king, who sold the shield's orbs to found Akanenia. There is nothing relevant to Jugdral in there. Edited February 19, 2013 by Acacia Sgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hoo boy. Look. It's Medeus that was actually a pretty decent guy among the Earth Dragons. Not Loptous. Medeus, however, grew sick and tired of how Manaketes were treated, and was more of a "the ends justifies the means" type of guy. Loptous on the other hand, well... We have no clue as to what his life was before fighting against the Divine Dragons, or before he possesed Galle. But it's a pretty safe bet that, unlike Medeus, Loptous wasn't very decent considering what goes on with Julius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) No, it doesn't. Where in that does it states that Gran was founded only 10 years before Akaneia, or even it's events happening there? The Fane of Raman incident happened with Akaneia's first king, who sold the shield's orbs to found Akanenia. There is nothing relevant to Jugdral in there. Edit: There is no way that these games can have two separate happenings with two separate timelines. There is no way to turn back time then starting to create a different continent completely making the other one not exist. What I'm saying is possibly the only way that this entire series can possibly connect. As Tellius and Elibe's eras happened later after the 900's. Timelines only have one course, period. ----- Edit: And did you know that Gotoh and Medeus were once allied of the dragon tribe. That's how Gotoh knows so much about him. It's like a Zeus/Hera's infidelity thing like that kind of respect. That's why Gotoh doesn't go with you to battle Medeus in Book II. And that he doesn't come with you to battle Gharnef, because he was once his student alongside Miloah. Medeus took his anger upon the world after him and the manaketes were being treated like outcasts and after his defeats of Anri and Seliph and Gotoh was distant from humans because Gharnef stole the Dark Orb out of jealousy of Miloah getting the Excalibur tome which consumed his soul (That's why Gotoh didn't give you the tome because your heart was weak) until a kind soul like Marth came into play. =) Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked_Hunter1825 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Grima is his own dragon. But its implied hes descended from Earth Dragons. Without his mask he also freaks me the **** out. Why does he have a human face?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Hoo boy. Look. It's Medeus that was actually a pretty decent guy among the Earth Dragons. Not Loptous. Medeus, however, grew sick and tired of how Manaketes were treated, and was more of a "the ends justifies the means" type of guy. Loptous on the other hand, well... We have no clue as to what his life was before fighting against the Divine Dragons, or before he possesed Galle. But it's a pretty safe bet that, unlike Medeus, Loptous wasn't very decent considering what goes on with Julius. He wasn't after Medeus inhabited his soul. Grima is his own dragon. But its implied hes descended from Earth Dragons. Without his mask he also freaks me the **** out. Why does he have a human face?! A desendant, yes. But of Medeus, or??? Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) There is no way that these games can have two separate happenings with two separate timelines. There is no way to turn back time then starting to create a different continent completely making the other one not exist. What I'm saying is possibly the only way that this entire series can possibly connect. As Tellius and Elibe's eras happened later after the 900's. What he's saying is that Jugdral and Archanea use seperate calendars. Archanea's is at least 300 years behind Jugdral's. Which is part of what makes it impossible for Medeus to be behind Loptous's actions. @bolded: There's very little to no evidence suggesting that Tellius and Elibe are in the same world as Archanea and Jugdral. And it's highly possible Tellius took place before the other FEs anyways despite this. Edited February 19, 2013 by Little Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 There is no way that these games can have two separate happenings with two separate timelines. There is no way to turn back time then starting to create a different continent completely making the other one not exist. What I'm saying is possibly the only way that this entire series can possibly connect. As Tellius and Elibe's eras happened later after the 900's. And did you know that Gotoh and Medeus were once allied of the dragon tribe. That's how Gotoh knows so much about him. It's like a Zeus/Hera thing. That's why Gotoh doesn't go with you to battle Medeus in Book II. And that he doesn't come with you to battle Gharnef, because he was once his student alongside Miloah. Yes, it can. Our Gregorian Calendar doesn't match with most of the other calendars the rest of the world has seen, and you know why? Because back then, people were divided. Different cultures, religions, and civilizations. Contact was little, certainly not at the globalized level it is today. All those groups would establish their own customs, their own rules, and that includes their own calendars. Just like how Europe and America were separate for hundreds of years, with civilizations like the Mayans and Aztecs having their own calendars, different from the Gregorian Calendar Europe would adopt, so too Akaneia and Jugdral are in a period were contact between themselves is scarce. Therefore, it's not illogical that both continents would have their own calendars, which started on separate points, and therefore, their years don't match. It's true that Gotoh and Medeus would know each other, because the Dragon Tribe was once united. The Earth Dragons branched off when they sans Medeus refused to turn into Manaketes. Goth was entrusted on many tasks by Naga after the latter died, so that's how Gotoh can know so much of Medeus and on what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked_Hunter1825 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Honestly I can't figure out how Grima is their descendant. Hes stronger than any Earth Dragon and is absolutely colossal in size. He also doesn't look like them. I mean, maybe he has some Dark Dragon features, but even then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 He wasn't after Medeus inhabited his soul. Once again, you're ignoring the facts that Medeus was a completely alright guy before he waged war on Archanea, and that the events involving Loptous predates events involving Medeus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Honestly I can't figure out how Grima is their descendant. Hes stronger than any Earth Dragon and is absolutely colossal in size. He also doesn't look like them. I mean, maybe he has some Dark Dragon features, but even then. I have to agree here. That thing is so monstrous he made the castle seem like a little girl's dollhouse. <<; Medeus took up one tile on the map and Grima IS the map. >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Somebody already put forth this theory, but perhaps Grima is all the Earth Dragons fused into one. After all, the Earth Dragons are totally absent, while the Binding Shield and the Dragon's Table serve new functions. That might also explain why its got multiple wings and eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Somebody already put forth this theory, but perhaps Grima is all the Earth Dragons fused into one. After all, the Earth Dragons are totally absent, while the Binding Shield and the Dragon's Table serve new functions. That might also explain why its got multiple wings and eyes. Good point there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Somebody already put forth this theory, but perhaps Grima is all the Earth Dragons fused into one. After all, the Earth Dragons are totally absent, while the Binding Shield and the Dragon's Table serve new functions. That might also explain why its got multiple wings and eyes. Interesting theory. Though I wonder how that would happen. Perhaps it has to do with them being sealed away for so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone2Ground Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Dear god, this is making the old debates about the LoZ unified timeline look like a simple walk. I`ll stand over here and stick to just not thinking too hard about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked_Hunter1825 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Grima could always be an Earth Dragon anomaly. Maybe he got something that turned him into what he is now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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