darkmage36 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 In chapter eight or so, (It's the chapter Two Assassins), Lucina makes a statement that Falchion is gleaming. When Chrom asks her about it, she doesn't explain. This reference is never clarified, or at least not in the first playthrough. I may have missed it, but it could just be something Nintendo wanted us all to guess about. Does anyone have any ideas what this Falchion reference means? It's been bothering me since the moment I got to this part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) It's been bothering me too. The only thing I can think of is that, since Chrom's falchion also gleams in the same way after it's blessed by naga, it's reacting to something? Perhaps Validar's presence? There's a massive plot hole there, methinks. Edited March 1, 2013 by MagicLeafy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 There's a massive plot hole there, methinks. Unexplained phenomena with no effect on the story is not a plot hole, and certainly not a "massive" one. Seriously, people throw that term around too casually these days. There are other things in the game that seem unexplained, like why Lucina fought Chrom as Basilio's champion or why Panne and the Taguel even exist. These and more give me the feeling Nintendo is planning a sequel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmage36 Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 Unexplained phenomena with no effect on the story is not a plot hole, and certainly not a "massive" one. Seriously, people throw that term around too casually these days. There are other things in the game that seem unexplained, like why Lucina fought Chrom as Basilio's champion or why Panne and the Taguel even exist. These and more give me the feeling Nintendo is planning a sequel. I would be perfectly okay with a sequel! I just really wish it had been explained. Her sword could have been reacting to Validar's presence, but didn't Lucina know he was coming anyway? Why then, did she sound startled that her sword was gleaming? those two details don't seem to work together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algae Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) I would be perfectly okay with a sequel! I just really wish it had been explained. Her sword could have been reacting to Validar's presence, but didn't Lucina know he was coming anyway? Why then, did she sound startled that her sword was gleaming? those two details don't seem to work together... [spoiler=Mid/late-game spoiler]Maybe it's glowing because of Avatar/Grima? Either the one on your side or the one that rescues Validar at the end, or even both? Edited March 2, 2013 by Alg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Not many people know this, but the Falchion is actually the glowing Sting blade (Middle Earth was the previous name of Akaneia), and Validar is a descendent of the orcs. It makes total sense for Falchion to glow during that chapter. That's my theory, at least. Edited March 2, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 [spoiler=Mid/late-game spoiler]Maybe it's glowing because of Avatar/Grima? Either the one on your side or the one that rescues Validar at the end, or even both? But if it were the avatar, wouldn't it have gleamed beforehand? It would be more likely because of the Grima-possessed avatar... Then again, thinking back, didn't the Falchion--Chrom's, to be exact--shine in Chapter 1's cutscene, when he killed the Risen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyron Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Not many people know this, but the Falchion is actually the glowing Sting blade (Middle Earth was the previous name of Akaneia), and Validar is a descendent of the orcs. It makes total sense for Falchion to glow during that chapter. That's my theory, at least. ah yes but sting was a short sword it must actually be glamdring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crixler Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Not many people know this, but the Falchion is actually the glowing Sting blade (Middle Earth was the previous name of Akaneia), and Validar is a descendent of the orcs. It makes total sense for Falchion to glow during that chapter. That's my theory, at least. The shape of Ylisse does remind me a bit of the shape of Middle-Earth. Which is of course supposed to be the same thing as Eurasia/Africa in the distant past. FIRE EMBLEM TAKES PLACE ON EARTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayr Farros Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Unexplained phenomena with no effect on the story is not a plot hole, and certainly not a "massive" one. Seriously, people throw that term around too casually these days. There are other things in the game that seem unexplained, like why Lucina fought Chrom as Basilio's champion or why Panne and the Taguel even exist. These and more give me the feeling Nintendo is planning a sequel. Considering that Ike migrated to Archanea after FE10, it's safe to assume that the Laguz could as well. Taguel are probably another lost Laguz race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Considering that Ike migrated to Archanea after FE10, it's safe to assume that the Laguz could as well. Taguel are probably another lost Laguz race. Come to think of it, isn't it said somewhere that Taguel once could transform into cats and birds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Unexplained phenomena with no effect on the story is not a plot hole, and certainly not a "massive" one. Seriously, people throw that term around too casually these days. There are other things in the game that seem unexplained, like why Lucina fought Chrom as Basilio's champion or why Panne and the Taguel even exist. These and more give me the feeling Nintendo is planning a sequel. If a sequel is to be planned, better have a good excuse as to why RFOF said already along with why Grima was evil in the first place. He had no backstory to that as everyone other antagonist did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Come to think of it, isn't it said somewhere that Taguel once could transform into cats and birds? Yep, in Avatar and Panne's B support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone2Ground Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Unexplained phenomena with no effect on the story is not a plot hole, and certainly not a "massive" one. Seriously, people throw that term around too casually these days. There are other things in the game that seem unexplained, like why Lucina fought Chrom as Basilio's champion or why Panne and the Taguel even exist. These and more give me the feeling Nintendo is planning a sequel. Sequel would be awesome. Going off of her personality, I'm assuming she wanted to test her father's abilities against her own. You know, like in her supports. As far as the Taguel, aren't they pretty much stated to be evolved Laguz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 In the Ricken and Panne support, I believe (not sure which one), Panne says something to the effect of (I can't remember anything near the exact words) "there are those capable of shape-shifting into wolves and lions", put that together with cats and birds and you've got most of the laguz right there. O_o Also, regarding Falchion, I believe the user actually has the ability to control whether or not it shines to some extent, though it's likely also a reaction to something in general. As for my "evidence", I recall in a certain support conversation (sorry, I don't really pay attention to the very specifics) that someone jokes that Lucina should light up Falchion to search for something or light up some dark place or something, but Lucina reacts by saying that it's not a torch, or something to that effect. Again, someone seriously needs to clear up my super-vague remarks, but unless I was just dreaming about this, I'm pretty sure such supports exist somewhere. Also, the last statement only suggests that Lucina can control whether or not it emits light--IIRC she never actually admits to being able to do so, so there might be some connection somewhere that we're missing... (Maybe it only glows in the presence of those with Grima's power, e.g. Validar and Risen? And maybe only the blessed/awakened Falchion does?) Eh, it's definitely something worth looking into, if possible, though the game seems to fail to address several of these issues very well... XP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miscellany Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I thought maybe it gleamed when she was actually changing the past, hence she was kinda like "Holy shit, it's working this time :D" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Stalker X Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I thought maybe it gleamed when she was actually changing the past, hence she was kinda like "Holy shit, it's working this time :D" I had the same impression. Her goal at that moment had been to change a major event in her timeline, and the Falchion gleaming was an indicator that the her actions altered the timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Going off of her personality, I'm assuming she wanted to test her father's abilities against her own. You know, like in her supports. As far as the Taguel, aren't they pretty much stated to be evolved Laguz? Even if they are evolved Laguz (and that seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion), there is currently no reason for their inclusion in the game, unlike Laguz playing a major part in the Tellius plots. Also, regarding Falchion, I believe the user actually has the ability to control whether or not it shines to some extent, though it's likely also a reaction to something in general. As for my "evidence", I recall in a certain support conversation (sorry, I don't really pay attention to the very specifics) that someone jokes that Lucina should light up Falchion to search for something or light up some dark place or something, but Lucina reacts by saying that it's not a torch, or something to that effect. Oh yeah, this was in Lucina's sibling support (or at least with Morgan). C or B, don't remember which. Probably B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturnal YL Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I thought maybe it gleamed when she was actually changing the past, hence she was kinda like "Holy shit, it's working this time :D" Maybe so. Future of Despair Lucina's Falchion shined when help arrived too, IIRC. Maybe it's some sort of "success!" signal from the sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Oh yeah, this was in Lucina's sibling support (or at least with Morgan). C or B, don't remember which. Probably B. C support. The one where they were both freaking over a bug, lol. Also, Lucina corrected him by saying that the Falchion was not some torch you can light up at will. Edited March 2, 2013 by MagicLeafy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Even if they are evolved Laguz (and that seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion), there is currently no reason for their inclusion in the game, unlike Laguz playing a major part in the Tellius plots. I think the Taguel's purpose, at the moment, is as a throwback for older fans. The Taguel kind of bridge the gap between the Tellius games (loads of Laguz) and the other games (no Laguz, but some Manaketes). IIRC, one of the supports mentions the Taguel existing around the first Exalt's time and that he helped free them from slavery... So, er, more prequel material? Edited March 2, 2013 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmage36 Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) It's been bothering me too. The only thing I can think of is that, since Chrom's falchion also gleams in the same way after it's blessed by naga, it's reacting to something? Perhaps Validar's presence? There's a massive plot hole there, methinks. Chrom's exalted Falchion gleaming and Lucina's Parallel Falchion gleaming can't logically be inter-related. Lucina comes from the future where Chrom is killed by the Avatar. But Chrom's sword is exalted in a chapter after the Avatar doesn't kill him. Because in Lucina's future, Chrom was killed before naga was awakened, there's no way Lucina could have inherited a blessed sword. Edited March 2, 2013 by Red Fox of Fire Fixed that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HakureiIllusion Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Conclusion: Falchion is an Intelligent Device without a voice box. For the record, in Lucina and Cynthia's supports, Lucina seems to learn to make Falchion glow at will, despite initially saying that she can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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