Anouleth Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Hmm... FE7 Canas FE8 Lute FE8 Gilliam FE8 Trainees FE10 Soren FE10 Edward FE11 Cord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Did Edward's hype ever really make sense, though? I seem to recall just as many people trashing Edward as holding him out as Jesus, and eventually people just kinda settled toward the more sensible outlook on him, which was not quite at either extreme but also not entirely at "good." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Did Edward's hype ever really make sense, though? I seem to recall just as many people trashing Edward as holding him out as Jesus, and eventually people just kinda settled toward the more sensible outlook on him, which was not quite at either extreme but also not entirely at "good." It's a combination of being a "Swordmaster", also being unpromoted and starting lower leveled compared to his alternatives which is usually the common factor when it comes to the old "good" units. Edited April 30, 2013 by arvilino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Edward is actually high tier material. I don't know why he's considered bad even though he makes FE10 hard mode possible. I don't even know if 1-P can be defeated without him. Edited April 30, 2013 by Olwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sage Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Edward is actually high tier material. I don't know why he's considered bad even though he makes FE10 hard mode possible. I don't even know if 1-P can be defeated without him. I remember Paperblade tested that out and the only necessary part of Edward was his vulnerary, but units have never been credited for starting inventory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus The Dark Knight Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 Indeed I remember the Lilina hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I remember Paperblade tested that out and the only necessary part of Edward was his vulnerary, but units have never been credited for starting inventory. How many turns did he clear it in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) FE9 Kieran to some extent. you should probably stop listing good units that may or may not be slightly overrated arguably worse than trainees is FE9 Rolf, you train him to get....a dude locked to 2-range at least trainees are good after wasting 61294 turns on them Edited April 30, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Note my saying "to a small extent" or "to some extent." Second, there are plenty of controversial other statements here as well. Edward is definitely not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 edward is pretty bad after the first 3-4 maps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Wait what, was Wendy really considered good? What kind of crazy merits did we come up with back then? Behold: Wendy 9/10 Wendy rocks. She's like a reincarnation of Sheema! Her speed is quite good,as well as her other stats! So therefore, Wendy is probably the best armoredknight you'll ever get! Oh yes, she can perform the triangle attack too! Did I mention she's cute? =D thousands of mind blowned in 3. 2. 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Behold: Wendy 9/10 Wendy rocks. She's like a reincarnation of Sheema! Her speed is quite good,as well as her other stats! So therefore, Wendy is probably the best armoredknight you'll ever get! Oh yes, she can perform the triangle attack too! Did I mention she's cute? =D thousands of mind blowned in 3. 2. 1. *jaw drops* Where did you find that...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 People were hyping Rebecca a while back (to like Mid tier at least) for some reason, I guess because she avoided counters and Lyn didn't or something. Then sanity was restored and she went back into the lower tiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 *jaw drops* Where did you find that...? gamefaqs probably, that's where you find everything like that (pretty hilarious, since I'm 99% sure Sheema is garbage) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Yup Sheema's only niche is to use Gradivus in the final chapters Which is lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 edward is pretty bad after the first 3-4 maps Edward is pretty bad when he stops doubling: which can occur anywhere in between his second map and "never". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Jam Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Canas is one, sort of for a similar reason to the really low levelled characters like Nino but based on the Luna tome. Luna's use in the Final Chapter painted the perception that it was a brilliant weapon and made Canas "broken" with it despite the fact that for the most part due to low enemy resistance and speed Flux is going to deal more damage and allows Canas to double more often. Nobody really thinks Canas is bad, do they? Sure, for most of the game Luna isn't nearly as useful as Flux, but that doesn't reflect badly on Canas himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I'm surprised no one has mentioned FE9 Rolf yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitheOfEvrark Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 To be fair, some perceptions of good and bad characters are based partially off what difficulty the game is being played on. Edward's a good example since in normal mode, he's quite good. I think FE6 Lugh might fall into that same category of being a great mage on normal, but pretty mediocre on hard. Other units (basically any "Est") are bad no matter what mode due to availability, bases etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Nobody really thinks Canas is bad, do they? Sure, for most of the game Luna isn't nearly as useful as Flux, but that doesn't reflect badly on Canas himself. Yeah he's not actually a bad unit. But I thought he was worth mentioning since the overestimation of Luna's usefulness made him out to be a way better unit than he actually is when ironically he's more often than not worse off using Luna than Flux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Interestingly enough, of all the Est archetypes Ena has been considered bad even back when Path of Radiance has just come out, and even for the same reasons every other Est is considered bad today. I guess just two chapters of availability as opposed to the usual five or so can sway your opinion that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 you should probably stop listing good units that may or may not be slightly overrated arguably worse than trainees is FE9 Rolf, you train him to get....a dude locked to 2-range at least trainees are good after wasting 61294 turns on them nope I mentioned Rolf already (also why are my quotes getting messed up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Interestingly enough, of all the Est archetypes Ena has been considered bad even back when Path of Radiance has just come out, and even for the same reasons every other Est is considered bad today. I guess just two chapters of availability as opposed to the usual five or so can sway your opinion that way. not really an est like if you actually go crazy and try to train Ena, you get a unit that's kind of tanky but is completely crippled by awful movement and gauge and abysmal offensive options There are units in FE9 with more est-like qualities, like Astrid, Makalov, Tormod, and Elincia: I think some people hyped Elincia a bit because of Amiti, whereas Astrid/Makalov are genuinely good and Tormod isn't bad (even if he isn't really good either). FE10 Elincia is probably more hyped, but again, she's actually a pretty decent unit even if she has issues. But FE9 tiering never really changed that much: it was kind of always understood that Paladins and other high-move units rocked. The only big development was the realisation that you could just solo half the game with Marcia, but she was never considered bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I have a hard time remembering ever being there to hear any character being built up, I feel like I only notice the reactions to them when opinion seems to be on the downswing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Wasn't there a backlash against Oswin at some point? People used to be like zomg OsWIN but he's just competent really. I think the Oswin cooldown had to do with his lack of move and people valuing move over a lot of things. People preferring to use the Knight Crests on guys who have horses. I'm surprised no one has mentioned FE9 Rolf yet FE9 Rolf has always been bad. I remember people thinking Marcus and all the other Jeigans as crap or exp traps. "STEALIN YER EXP!!" Prepromotes being a bad option. Anyone else remember Erk vs Pent debates? Also lol trainees. "Amelia is better than Seth!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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