SSB4: SSB for Wii U and 3DS, maybe the NX and also your toaster!

[Knife]

Not worth buying

[blyegg]

Can't wait to use this stage! Now if only we could import our SMM stages...

[Ema Skye]

I think it's hilarious that the stage based on a stage builder is better than the stage builder included in the game.

[Nova]

So, does this confirm Mario in Smash?
No seriously, I can't wait to play the Omega version of that stage! :D

[Jedi]

Rage is silly, Horace and Euk linked me this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Wc3EZLBvk&feature=youtu.be

Jedi: thats the most accurate to Aether in smash I've ever seen

Also most likely we'll have a new patch with this stage, anyone want to speculate?

Edited September 16, 2015 by Jedi

[Anacybele]

Wha?! How did that Ike player KO that Fox with just one Aether when Fox had NO damage? o_O

[Elieson]

rage glitch!

[euklyd]

rage + extra knockback when hit out of charging a smash + super high base knockback initial hit of aether

[Anacybele]

But Fox was KO'd by the smash attack... How was the fsmash affecting anything afterward?

[Jave]

Ike OP. Either ban or nerf.

[Ragnell]

But Fox was KO'd by the smash attack... How was the fsmash affecting anything afterward?

Ike's smash doesn't matter. It was Fox who was charging an upsmash when Ike hit him with Aether (it's hard to see since it only lasts for a fraction of a second, due to Ike interrupting him). When you are hit while charging a smash attack, your knockback increases. A combination of Ike's rage and the increase in knockback due to Fox's smash charge caused Fox to get hit so far by Aether's first hit (which has high knockback) that he flew out of the range of the later hits of Aether and died.

[Jotari]

You'd imagine Set Knockback would be, by design, set and unmodified by any factors. Logically since it's used for connecting hits changing the damage or handicap ratio in the menu settings shouldn't even affect it, yet here we are.

[euklyd]

one would think so, yeah, but if you look at the formula you can see that the multiplier is applied last

[spoiler=the formula]

[Jotari]

one would think so, yeah, but if you look at the formula you can see that the multiplier is applied last

[spoiler=the formula]

Hmm, I can see how that would make Base Knockback attacks tricky to get right since you'll want the r values to scale. Just doing away with the formula and having hard values for set knockback might be the best option though how that would actually work with other things might make it difficult. Also wasn't aware there was a penalty for crouching.

[Anacybele]

Oh! I think I see now. Though that formula stuff is just mumbo jumbo to me. I was never good with crazy formulas like that. It's a miracle I even managed to understand (and actually memorize) the quadratic formula, and even that I still messed up with every now and then in school...

Edited September 17, 2015 by Anacybele

[euklyd]

Hmm, I can see how that would make Base Knockback attacks tricky to get right since you'll want the r values to scale. Just doing away with the formula and having hard values for set knockback might be the best option though how that would actually work with other things might make it difficult. Also wasn't aware there was a penalty for crouching.

fixed knockback wouldn't account for weight tho...which I guess might actually be desirable, come to think of it

also crouching isn't a penalty, exactly; it lessens knockback (to about 6/7ths of the knockback you'd suffer otherwise)

I mean it is a penalty, but it's a penalty to the knockback, not to the crouching player

[Jedi]

Crazy math, I'm so glad sometimes that I'm not a programmer lol.

[Zera]

That formula was perfected over years of - wait, why is set knockback affected by modifiers? The only time Ike should KO someone at 0% with Aether is when he is literally throwing the planet Aether at them.

[euklyd]

wrong

Ike should be able to OHKO basically anyone with an Aether proc

Aether was hella OP in Tellius games

[Tamarsamar]

Rage is silly, Horace and Euk linked me this

This is Fox, returning to base.

So ridiculous. I love it. :D

[Anacybele]

I still don't understand why Robin is allowed to have a self-healing move while Ike isn't... Aether healed Ike in the Tellius games too. >.>

Edited September 18, 2015 by Anacybele

[Jedi]

Aether is much easier to land then Nosferatu for one. Nosferatu is hard to land, and its reward is decent, Aether has a lot more general uses, and is rewarded in more ways. It's competitive balance

For 2 if every move worked like it did in their home game, we'd have quite the broken set of characters, (That goes for everyone in the game practically).

[Anacybele]

Well, I didn't say Aether had to heal upon contact automatically or anything. It can heal only if Ike makes a direct hit, which actually isn't easy. And only heal a very small amount of damage.

[Jave]

You can also only use Nosferatu... 3 times on every stock, I think?

[euklyd]

Nos apparently has 4 uses and takes 40 seconds to respawn