Chiki Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure if anyone beat Apotheosis SR with 4 units but I'll still post this. My plan is to think of a strategy in order to beat Apotheosis SR with just four units, which I believe is the minimum possible number of units you can use to beat this chapter. For this, I'm going to be using a strategy I've advocated for a while: using defensive skills like Sol, Pavise, Aegis, Dual Guard+ and Miracle.So, what's required? Chrom has to be one of them, and I think I need a Rally Bot as well, because some of the enemies are just too strong to fight without a Rally Bot. And for the best possible duo, you definitely want a third gen Morgan, who gets the highest stats possible, and Lucina, who has Dual Strike+ for that 100% Dual Strike chance. I wanted Lucina to be a Sage so she can deal more damage to enemies while helping Morgan. She doesn't really need to be a Dark Flier, since I don't need the speed pair up bonus anyway. I determined that Lon'qu!Laurent was the best parent for Speed+ Avatar in order to reach the crucial benchmark of 58 speed (well, Morgan has 59 speed in this case), which makes it possible to double every enemy in the chapter with Rallies.Skills:Lon'qu!Laurent!Sorcerer Morgan: Sol, Aegis, Pavise, Miracle, Limit BreakerMaribelle!Sage Lucina: Tomefaire, Dual Strike+, Dual Guard+, Limit Breaker, All+2Boots Falcon Knight Rally Bot: Rally Magic, Speed, Spectrum, Heart, SkillGreat Knight Chrom: Doesn't matter. I always use a max might forged Celica's Gale for the following calculations.Stats and probabilities:Lon'qu!Laurent!Morgan: 58 mag, 54 skl, 59 spd, 58 luk, 47 def, 53 resWithout Rallies: 80 might, 63 skill, 66 spd, 65 luk, 54 def, 62 resWith Rallies: 90 might, 73 skill, 76 speed, 75 luk, 64 def, 72 resMaribelle!Lucina: 59 mag, 56 skl, 54 spd, 60 luk, 38 def, 52 resWithout Rallies: 79 might, 60 skill, 58 speed, 64 luk, 42 def, 56 resWith Rallies: 89 might, 70 skill, 68 speed, 74 luk, 52 def, 66 res100% Dual Strike chance (with or without rallies)49% Dual Guard chance (with Rallies)44% Dual Guard chance (without Rallies)63% chance to activate Sol, Aegis and Pavise (without Rallies)73% chance to activate Sol, Aegis and Pavise (with Rallies)65% chance to activate Miracle (without Rallies)75% chance to activate Miracle (with Rallies) Vs. Enemies:Vs. Aegis+ Berserkers with Rallies (99 hp, 55 res):Morgan: 8 x 4 = 32 damageLucina: 16 x 8 = 128 damageVs. Anna with Rallies (99 hp, 55 res):Morgan: 16 x 4 = 64 damageLucina: 16 x 8 = 128 damageVs. Sorcerer with Rallies (80 hp, 64 res):Morgan: 12 x 4 = 48 damageLucina: 11 x 8 = 88 damageSo the pair one rounds every single enemy the map can offer with 100% reliability with Rallies. The only issue to doing this would be moving the Rally bot around, then, and ensuring she doesn't die. Feel free to suggest anything and fix my calculations if I made any mistakes. Edited December 26, 2013 by Chiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Don't forget Throne boosts. Your Rallies are assuming that you have every Rally, but you don't. Let me recheck your stats. I'm assuming you're going +Spd/-Str. Atk is 44(Sorc base) +4(mods) +10(LB) +10(Rallies) +9(Pairup) +9(Forged Celica's) +2(WRB) +2 (Tonic) = 90. Skl is 38(Sorc Base) +6(Mods) +10(LB) +10(Rallies) +7(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 73. Spd is 40(Sorc base) +9(Mods) +10(LB) +10(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 75. Lck is 45(Base) +3(Mods) +10(LB) +6(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 69. Def is 41(Base) -4(Mods) +10(LB) +6(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 58. Res is 44(Base) -1(Mods) +10(LB) +6(Rallies) +7(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 68. So you can ORKO everything on the map... But it looks like you'll do a lot of EP fighting. Even with all that, can you take that pack of Sages on wave 4? They have, if I remember right, 70 atk, and Luna+/Hawkeye+ combos. Not counting the one with Forseti, there are four of them, so 8 guaranteed EP attacks. You can kill on on player phase, so six attacks. Those attacks will be doing 70-34=36 damage each. You will be 3HKOed without Aegis/Miracle/DG procs. Forseti guy has 81 atk, 81-34 = 47 damage. With an HP tonic, that's not enough to put you below 36HP, but it will still hurt. Are you prepared to survive 7 attacks in an environment where you will be 3HKOed? Edited December 25, 2013 by Czar_Yoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Who's the rally bot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) Oh right, I screwed up with the def and res rallies. They don't matter much though. I forgot to include weapon rank bonuses as well. Are you prepared to survive 7 attacks in an environment where you will be 3HKOed? Well, that's why I have Sol, Aegis, Miracle and Dual Guard+. That's kind of the reason why I'm doing this combo. I have an almost 50% chance to block every hit, and then a 73% chance to activate Aegis and negate Luna+, and then Sol to heal up that damage, and Miracle to survive every hit with a 73% chance. That sounds pretty damn reliable to me. I'll be using Elixirs on the player phase when I need them as well. I still have Chrom to use as a convoy you know. Spd is 40(Sorc base) +9(Mods) +10(LB) +10(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 75.Lck is 45(Base) +3(Mods) +10(LB) +6(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 69. Def is 41(Base) -4(Mods) +10(LB) +6(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 58. I'm not sure if your calculations are right here. You get the support bonus from pair ups as well, so that's +5 to each. Who the Rally bot is doesn't matter. Edited December 26, 2013 by Chiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 No, the support bonus only applies to stats that the class naturally raises. Look it up if you don't believe me. http://serenesforest.net/fe13/double.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 Spd is 40(Sorc base) +9(Mods) +10(LB) +10(Rallies) +3(Pairup) +2(Tonic) = 75. That's 74, which means I'll have to think of a new pairing. =_= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) Or get a Barracks Boost. Or use Sage, Sages are fast. Or switch Lucina to Dark Flier for more Spd. Or swap Pavise for All+2 (the only Luna+ users who hit Pavise are the Berserkers in the last two waves). If you want a 3rd Gen Morgan with 10 Spd, his dad will need 6 Spd. Unfortunately, only Yarne is both male and capable of achieving that without Avatar's help. Yarne has an innate -1 Mag, and he needs a +2 Spd dad to get to 6. Virion/Lon'qu are the best you can do, and either of them will result in Morgan having a fabulous 0 Mag. I think you may need one of the above methods. If you could get Yarne's Spd to 8, you could go +Mag instead and still hit your Spd threshold while having a nice +4 Mag. But that isn't happening without Avatar... Edited December 26, 2013 by Czar_Yoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) I don't wanna rely on a Barracks boost. That's kinda cheap and others will think so too. I guess I'll just go with Lon'qu!Yarne. I think it's important to keep Lucina as a Sage because she does a lot more damage. Sage's defenses are too low, so I'd rather go with Sorcerer. Edited December 26, 2013 by Chiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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