Logience Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I mean, look at the fanfic community. About 60% of the fics were all FE7, and even now it's still 40%. And then look at FE8, with a measly 5%, while Tellius only has a crapton of Ike/Soren for 80% of its fics. If the next game doesn't have a self-insert, the fanfic community will die out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) the fanfic community will die out.i'm waiting for the downside disclaimer: i may or may not be serious Edited April 22, 2014 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 i'm waiting for the downside disclaimer: i may or may not secretly accept fanfic crazy waifuwars as necessary evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 If the next game doesn't have a self-insert, the fanfic community will die out. HOORAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 i'm waiting for the downside No more shit like this: I'm sure there were a bunch of people that got their kicks mocking me for my weeaboo waifu stupidity at that stage. People need their laughs, Cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caster Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I really hope this is a joke but I have that terrible gut feeling it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 No more shit like this: I'm sure there were a bunch of people that got their kicks mocking me for my weeaboo waifu stupidity at that stage. People need their laughs, Cam. Thats actually a decent splice you got there. disclaimer: i may or may not secretly accept fanfic crazy waifuwars as necessary evil I hear this song and dance. I hear it and may or may not also tap my toe to it. <.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceBrand Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 No more shit like this: I'm sure there were a bunch of people that got their kicks mocking me for my weeaboo waifu stupidity at that stage. People need their laughs, Cam. Out with the old Shadow, in with the "Rey" of light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 And yet, all of the best fanfics for Fire Emblem come from the games with no self-inserts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryogeist Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) People see the avatar character as a self insert? huh. also, does it really matter if there isn't any fanfiction? Edited April 22, 2014 by cryogeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 A lot of people see their avatar as a self-insert, or they make him or her into a mouthpiece for what they believe. An avatar who is not written as a self-insert or the ~only one who can save us all~ is fine, but I've seen very little of those. Fire Emblem doesn't work best with a self-insert, because self-inserts exist to pander to the players at the cost of every other character in the fucking game. When you add fanfiction in that mess, ohhh boy. I've read one too many stories where existing characters' personalities get derailed SO HARD just so the writer could justify hooking up their Gary Stu or Mary Sue with someone. No thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) People see the avatar character as a self insert? huh. allow me to humbly welcome you to serenes forest (same) A lot of people see their avatar as a self-insert, or they make him or her into a mouthpiece for what they believe. An avatar who is not written as a self-insert or the ~only one who can save us all~ is fine, but I've seen very little of those. Fire Emblem doesn't work best with a self-insert, because self-inserts exist to pander to the players at the cost of every other character in the fucking game. When you add fanfiction in that mess, ohhh boy. I've read one too many stories where existing characters' personalities get derailed SO HARD just so the writer could justify hooking up their Gary Stu or Mary Sue with someone. No thank you. Outside of sf, maybe it's just because I happen to hang out with some people who play a lot of pen/paper RPGs, but probably the majority of them thought of the Avatar they made along the same lines as they would for an RP character they were playing, as opposed to "I am going to marry that dragon childe" Edited April 22, 2014 by Rehab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryogeist Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 A lot of people see their avatar as a self-insert, or they make him or her into a mouthpiece for what they believe. An avatar who is not written as a self-insert or the ~only one who can save us all~ is fine, but I've seen very little of those. Fire Emblem doesn't work best with a self-insert, because self-inserts exist to pander to the players at the cost of every other character in the fucking game. When you add fanfiction in that mess, ohhh boy. I've read one too many stories where existing characters' personalities get derailed SO HARD just so the writer could justify hooking up their Gary Stu or Mary Sue with someone. No thank you. But can you really blame a character for shitty fanfiction? that crap is everywhere (Still recovering from when I looked through some Ace Combat fics) But I never understood the self-insert preservative because (as bland as it might be most of the time) Robin has his own personality Or I could just be reading your post wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 But can you really blame a character for shitty fanfiction? that crap is everywhere (Still recovering from when I looked through some Ace Combat fics) But I never understood the self-insert preservative because (as bland as it might be most of the time) Robin has his own personality Or I could just be reading your post wrong Even if FE13's Robin had his own personality, I still see people bending and changing it. Heck, even I changed Robin's personality so he's not Robin anymore. People who like to get creative have a tendency to do that, especially since the avatar is basically the "player character" that you can customize. Besides, it's not even the fanfiction that's the issue. Fire Emblem can't do self-inserts well. Awakening had a poor story riddled with plotholes and contradictions for the sake of trying to make a "friendship conquers all" theme and letting your avatar marry everyone. It's particularly jarring when previous games like FE8, which also stressed upon friendship and bonds, let Lyon DIE PERMANENTLY and the lords were unable to save him. It's disturbing that Emmeryn is hailed as a good ruler for all her stupidity, when royals like Eirika and Elincia were slammed HARD for their unrealistic idealism. Chrom's a hypocrite who can't let someone important to him sacrifice himself or herself for the good of the world when he repeats those exact same words to Aversa. There are previous lords and rulers in FE who have had to make sacrifices. The problem with FE's self inserts is that they steal the spotlight from non-avatar characters, or the plot revolves around them. FE has so many other interesting characters that I'd rather know more about than have the avatar be the shining ray of radiant light that is the only thing that can save us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryogeist Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Besides, it's not even the fanfiction that's the issue. Fire Emblem can't do self-inserts well. The problem with FE's self inserts is that they steal the spotlight from non-avatar characters, or the plot revolves around them. FE has so many other interesting characters that I'd rather know more about than have the avatar be the shining ray of radiant light that is the only thing that can save us all. Alright I get what you're saying, and I agree actually Sorry if I came off as bit of an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Even if FE13's Robin had his own personality, I still see people bending and changing it. Heck, even I changed Robin's personality so he's not Robin anymore. People who like to get creative have a tendency to do that, especially since the avatar is basically the "player character" that you can customize. Besides, it's not even the fanfiction that's the issue. Fire Emblem can't do self-inserts well. Awakening had a poor story riddled with plotholes and contradictions for the sake of trying to make a "friendship conquers all" theme and letting your avatar marry everyone. It's particularly jarring when previous games like FE8, which also stressed upon friendship and bonds, let Lyon DIE PERMANENTLY and the lords were unable to save him. It's disturbing that Emmeryn is hailed as a good ruler for all her stupidity, when royals like Eirika and Elincia were slammed HARD for their unrealistic idealism. Chrom's a hypocrite who can't let someone important to him sacrifice himself or herself for the good of the world when he repeats those exact same words to Aversa. There are previous lords and rulers in FE who have had to make sacrifices. The problem with FE's self inserts is that they steal the spotlight from non-avatar characters, or the plot revolves around them. FE has so many other interesting characters that I'd rather know more about than have the avatar be the shining ray of radiant light that is the only thing that can save us all. I love this post so much. Practically all the games in the series scream 'love and friendship' yet hammer home the point that it doesn't work. Marth couldn't save Hardin. Eirika and Ephraim couldn't save Lyon, Ena's love and the Herons' song couldn't save Rajaion. Awakening doesn't even have the balls to give you an instant game over if you submit to Grima even though you could just reload and not lose any progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Self inserts work better when they don't have a preexisting personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Or, just do what the option they had in the Japanese version that they removed did. Make MU a... (⌐■_■) MUte. ...and have everyone talk for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logience Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 And yet, all of the best fanfics for Fire Emblem come from the games with no self-inserts. Tell me exactly what good fanfics have come out of non-Elibe, non-Awakening settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryogeist Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Or, just do what the option they had in the Japanese version that they removed did. Make MU a... (⌐■_■) MUte. ...and have everyone talk for them. As much as I hate people talking to a mute character like that (FE7 is a good example) I wonder why they removed the option in the localization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Tell me exactly what good fanfics have come out of non-Elibe, non-Awakening settings. Tell me exactly what good fanfics have come out of said settings. edit: actually my point isn't really coming across from me being sassy there. I mean to say like, not all fanfiction is bad, but if you're dismissing everything outside of FE7/13 to immediately be "bad", chances are the quality of the FE7/13 fanfiction isn't any better en masse. Edited April 22, 2014 by The One True Supreme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) wait this isn't in the far from the forest section? there is no way this can be a serious question. honestly stop trolling, you make me feel like i'm back on 4chan. and good ridden to fan fiction, for every one good one, there's a million terrible ones. Edited April 22, 2014 by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logience Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Tell me exactly what good fanfics have come out of said settings. edit: actually my point isn't really coming across from me being sassy there. I mean to say like, not all fanfiction is bad, but if you're dismissing everything outside of FE7/13 to immediately be "bad", chances are the quality of the FE7/13 fanfiction isn't any better en masse. My point was actually that no one on FF.net makes fanfics about the Japanese games except for Sara_Jaye and Mark_Asphodel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeCrush980 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 At the very least, I recall FE12's My Unit being advertised as the Hero of Shadow, which represents the player who in (most of) the previous games led their army to victory but never gets any acknowledgement. Saying that Awakening's Avatar is also meant to be a self-insert isn't too much of a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 My point was actually that no one on FF.net makes fanfics about the Japanese games except for Sara_Jaye and Mark_Asphodel. Cool? FE1-6 aren't "all FE's not FE7/13". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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