Dragoncat Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Used to be my preference too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 No proper bio for this one yet. But her name is Eloin, and Leo ends up with her. Her pegasus is a stallion and his name is Chestnut ^_^ Had to do some scratch shading on the base sprite's wings for easier recoloring, I hope it looks okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuru Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 No proper bio for this one yet. But her name is Eloin, and Leo ends up with her. Her pegasus is a stallion and his name is Chestnut ^_^ Had to do some scratch shading on the base sprite's wings for easier recoloring, I hope it looks okay. Nice, Dragonkitty. I like it, and I also like the sprite a lot, it looks pretty awesome. Just wondering...when did you sprite her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Oh, this morning/last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The wings looks like they've lost a lot of detail from the vanilla sprites. I think the head might look a bit better with a little ear like the peg knight pegasus has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErrantDShepherd Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Agree with Toa. The simplifying has lost a lot of the feather details in the wings. Also missing the ear as Toa said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Is it a bad thing that it's been simplified? Just curious. Sometimes simpler is better, like in this case, where I didn't want a white pegasus. There were two kinds of white that were so close to each other in shade that they looked like just one. The wings were a nightmare to recolor until I simplified them. And, the feather detail on the vanilla sprites actually looks a bit like fish scales to me, at least on the non promoted pegasus. I didn't know the base sprite had an ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Well, what I do in recoloring is use the eraser method in Paint. You know how there are two color options on the menu? One for the foreground and one for the color you see when you use the eraser tool? Well, the eraser method is when you make the foreground color the color that you currently have and then make the eraser color the color you want to change it to. Then take the eraser tool, right click, and watch all the pixels change to your new color. Only the pixels that are of the foreground color will change. It's MUCH faster than just using the paint bucket. Thing is though, versions of Paint that came before Windows 8 are bugged and don't let the eraser method work except in new, unsaved images. Windows 8 Paint fixes this (about time), but yeah. Still, I really like that mug and sprite. :) Edited January 24, 2015 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yeah I was aware of the eraser method. I use it. Really? I have Windows 7 and it works fine. But then again I haven't tried it with anything previously saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErrantDShepherd Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Sometimes simplifying can be good... Sometimes neither good or bad, in the case of these wings though it kinda changes the way the wing reads... Like the original with the feathers makes me think of angel wings and stuff... Whereas the simplified version just doesn't look as nice. Like it looks like a kinda mangy bird wing?(not quite the right term, but can't think of a better example at the moment) ...also kinda pillow shaded areas instead of the light sourced coming from a distinct direction. Non-pillow shading wouldn't have the lightest shade only in the middle of the wing, take a look at where the lightest shade starts in the original wing. ...anyways, keep working at it! Part of the hardest thing with art is knowing what to simplify, what to detail sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghast Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 yeah, it doesn't look better simplified. also bring the ears back, it looks really strange to see a horse without ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 The light source isnt in the middle of the wing, it's kinda toward the top. I had it going down further but that looked even more like pillow shading. And, if they look like bird wings, that's good. Mangy though...idk. But pegasi arent angels despite both having feathered wings. Fa's wings are kinda shaded that way, I was aiming more like that. The ears could just be hidden by the mane. But if it bugs you people that much I'll add them in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghast Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 i have never seen a horse in my life that's ears are hidden under a mane, And yeah, echoeing Errant, the wing is pillow shaded :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The wings look heavily pillowshaded and look more like painted cardboard than anything to be honest. Battle sprites are fairly small, and simplifying what detail they have makes it look nearly unrecognizable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I tried... -_- Really, I did. Painted cardboard? Ouch. And why are the ears such a big deal? They were so small on the original sprite. Like, 1 pixel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErrantDShepherd Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Little details like that make or break a sprite, especially at this size. Ear is on the original Pegasus Knight sprite, should be easy to just splice it in. Here's a tutorial I found on pillow shading for a refresher for you... Sometimes hard to tell what is meant by the term if not overly confident/practiced in shading. http://www.natomic.com/hosted/marks/mpat/shading.html ...ultimately though, our criticism and critiques here aren't meant to be any kind of attack DragonCat, we like art and care about spriting and want to help others get better at it. Something to keep in mind no matter if the feedback could have been worded more positively. Also we have many levels of maturity and ages here, so sometimes comments don't translate across groups as well as they could. You'll get what you put in, so don't let yourself be satisfied with less than you are capable of. The easy route never leads to much growth, in Fire Emblem, and in life. ;) Anyways, keep working at it, you've got some potential Cat. Edited January 24, 2015 by TheErrantShepherd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghast Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 kon wasn't trying to insult you. it was a good thing to compare it with. take it with a grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I think I've seen that thing before. It's somewhat helpful, but...it still doesn't help with feathered wings. Oh, and you guys aren't throwing f bombs at me every sentence. Yes, that happened before. Yes, here. So I'm not taking what you're saying as attacking. I took the f bombs every sentence as attacking. I asked the mods to lock that topic. I guess I'm just not happy because I tried something and failed. And I actually like how that wing looks. I still don't see it as pillow shading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghast Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 pillow shading is really hard to pick up, people just have a knack for knowing where it is and others don't. I can't really pick up pillow shading much either. Its stuff like that where you just need to take our word for it because the fact is that it is there, whether you can't see it or not. Its fine that you like how the wing is now but don't let that hinder you from taking more cracks at it until its shaded properly, otherwise you're just hurting yourself in the long run, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yeah, I used to have trouble seeing pillow-shading too, Dragoncat. I just needed to learn more about exactly what it is and then I could definitely see where I was doing it. It helped me improve my shading skills by miles. And I know that feeling, having tried really hard on something and spent a lot of time on it just to learn that it doesn't actually look that great. It IS pretty frustrating, I've had it happen to me too. I don't think your sprites look bad though, they're still pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 If it makes you feel better, the sprite in my avatar is something I've worked on for literally 3-4 years. Every time I thought I had a good sprite that looked great it turned out to be pretty cruddy. Even now there are things that still need work on it. So just keep trying to improve yourself. For now it would help to just replace the wings with the originals and recolor appropriately. You can always go back and try to reshade it once you get a better handle on shading and wing anatomy in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Okay guys, I tried again, this time I reffed the wing on an articuno sprite. Also added the ear. Any better? I could probably work on it more, but I want to know if I'm on the right track first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErrantDShepherd Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 ...well, its a step in the right direction. Wing shading is a bit better at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 ...well, its a step in the right direction. Wing shading is a bit better at least. *happy dance* YAY! Do you think I should add more though, or will it just make it look like pillow shading again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Did some work on the bird laguz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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