Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Why would I target Shinori? For better or worse, he's telling the truth. There's a reason I've been targeting entirely passive roles this whole time, you knoow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 @bbm: i have nothing that implied otherwise (and all my targets have been proven as well so) ? not sure what point you're trying to make. I don't think either you or Shinori are ITP because I don't think the ITP is a godfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 ohh I missed the part about them having an active role hmm this is kind of like an info role then, so I'll think about your targets after Gorf and J claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 @bbm: that was in regards to the redirection question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hey, you know what is more productive than actually looking at peoples' content? That's right, discussing night actions. So trying to come up with a method that guarantees victory and here goes nothing. Day 4 -Lynch SB (this is less so because I'm scumreading him -if you possess any reading ability then you'd be able to notice that I haven't even bothered reading anyone at this point because so lazy- and moreso because it's the optimal play to make at this stage; he has no night actions that can help us catch scum and if he is the ITP/mafia then leaving him alive until tommorow would be very bad for us) Night 4 -Manix hooks Refa/Gorf/J (if both of Gorf/J claim active roles, then I wouldn't give a fuck about being hooked otherwise Manix should hook one of them instead) -BBM scans Refa/Gorf/J (should definitely scan me if I'm not being hooked by Manix, otherwise scan me/the person Manix isn't targeting, who even cares at this point) -Refa targets Gorf/J (something that should definitely happen if one of them claim a passive role, otherwise it won't make a difference so meh; just kind of frustrated that my role has been doing like fuck all this entire game) -Shinori safeguards BBM (just in case mafia has a hooker or something to that effect, I dunno what else he'd do with his role) Putting my mouth where my money...wait fuck, it's the other way around isn't it? Anyways yeah, doing that. ##Vote: SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 refa is sb is non-town this setup is potentially d3 kingmaker assuming sk that's not correct in any world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 *if typos hoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 it's also possible that it's 10/5 in which case idfk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 actually if it's 10/5 with a scum mayor, it's d2 mylo lolno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Why would SB being mafia make the setup 10/5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Also 99% sure there isn't an SK at this point, unless they are extraordinarily incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 sb is also almost confirmed to not have a kill since i hooked him last night and there were still the expected two kills refa revise you're plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 refa if you don't think there's an sk, let me show you some numbers: d1 10/5 d1 mislynch 9/5 d2 8/5 (no vig) d2 mislynch 7/5 d3 6/5, parity due to scum mayor (unless it turns off which is dumb bc otherwise it's a pointless scum role and scum are buff as fuck this game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 that makes d2 mylo. day fucking 2. please don't tell me i have to elaborate on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 a misvig makes it d2 lylo in that case as well etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 sb is also almost confirmed to not have a kill since i hooked him last night and there were still the expected two kills refa revise you're plan The optimal play for scum to make was for Elieson to kill because they knew that you would not be hooking him. That is also why BT died instead of you, even though scum would much rather have a vig alive than a Jailkeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 refa if you don't think there's an sk, let me show you some numbers: d1 10/5 d1 mislynch 9/5 d2 8/5 (no vig) d2 mislynch 7/5 d3 6/5, parity due to scum mayor (unless it turns off which is dumb bc otherwise it's a pointless scum role and scum are buff as fuck this game) I'm pretty sure there's an ITP, just not an SK. ;/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 i'm basically saying sb is confirmed not sk and sb being mafia is fucking stupid balance. please read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 SB not being mafia relies on his mayor not turning off (contrary to what you say, mayor turning off at LYLO/MYLO still makes the role a pretty powerful one). Gorf, you should claim since you're on and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 tell me refa: what itp do you expect? also i'm going out on a limb here and actually guessing the larsa was sk tbh. that will be more clear d5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 refa: scum mayor that turns off is like a scum announcer. basically does nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Arsonist, Prophet, Survivor. Also that's not true, because it gives scum vote control during the days before LYLO/MYLO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 a ~visible~ scum mayor is literally one of the more pointless roles since you can't get random hammers it's basically a role that proves itself and scum do not have any of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Anyways, you're basically just arguing balance at this point (as someone who has complained about balance and such in eclipse games for a good while) rather than arguing why the play I'm suggesting is optimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 there is absolutely no reason to lynch sb today. i will fight until the bitter end on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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