Dragoncat Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Or video game logic. Sums it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Or video game logic. Sums it up... Welp I guess that settles all the questions in this thread then lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I kind of question Lavenga's skills seeing how his daughter turns out lol. That inheritance must have been gimped somehow :P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 That inheritance must have been gimped somehow :P. Wait she has great potencial but sucks at everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Wait she has great potencial but sucks at everything else Those caps though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 I guess it doesn't really matter in the end but it does raise the question how good he really was. Its safe to assume out of the four riders from his time he was the best (doesn't exactly have stiff competition) but still when Ike faced the BK at the end of RD Zelgius said that he saw the shadow of Griel fighting so I guess its safe to assume by that point in time RD Ike is as strong if not slightly stronger than his father was before severing his tendons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topazd Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Forget combat proficiency, Greil's truly celestial skills lie in his hearing capabilities. I mean, recognizing Zelgius' voice through that filter kind of speaks for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Forget combat proficiency, Greil's truly celestial skills lie in his hearing capabilities. I mean, recognizing Zelgius' voice through that filter kind of speaks for itself. Maybe he knew about Zelgius' alter ego too? Idk... In that PoR cutscene I recall BK sounding kinda raspy like a heavy smoker, Zelgius in the RD cutscenes doesnt. Might be because they used different voice actors, did they though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Since Greil taught Zelgius, it would have made more sense if he identified him by his stance/style than his voice. I kind of interpret recognizing his voice as recognizing his accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) I'd put my money on Greil recognizing his stance and style in a heartbeat especially if he taught him. Edited March 7, 2015 by LordTaco42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 If he was so "godly", then why did he die? Are you going to tell me he "wasn't going serious", when his life was at risk with his son standing right there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 If he was so "godly", then why did he die? Are you going to tell me he "wasn't going serious", when his life was at risk with his son standing right there? That's the question of the century... He seemed at peace when he went though. Like he knew he was going to see his wife again and she'd forgiven him. But I can't really think of a reason other than he had to be killed off for an incentive for Ike to get stronger/plot stuffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) If he was so "godly", then why did he die? Are you going to tell me he "wasn't going serious", when his life was at risk with his son standing right there? He sliced the tendons in his arm then so he couldn't wield a sword after he accidently killed his wife after he touched Lehran's medallion. That's why he tossed Ragnell back at the BK when offered it to him. Up to that point he was practically invincible he also hired Volke to assainate him if the same thing happened again (that's his "secret" by the way). Plus he is significantly older at that point too. Edited March 8, 2015 by LordTaco42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 If he was so "godly", then why did he die? Are you going to tell me he "wasn't going serious", when his life was at risk with his son standing right there?He was going as serious as he possibly could. Unfortunately, Greil was fighting with Weapon Triangle Disadvantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrimsonflash Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 He was going as serious as he possibly could. Unfortunately, Greil was fighting with Weapon Triangle Disadvantage. if only he had used a hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Unfortunately, it wouldn't have mattered against the Black Knight's hacked armour of imperviousness. Gawain's only chance of winning was to take up Ragnell. Although... now that I'm thinking about it, since it was a real technique to turn a large sword around and use it an impromptu warhammer, I've got this image in my head of Gawain doing that with Ragnell. I mean, the whole sword was blessed, hilt and all, so it'd totally work, right? >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Honestly, Gawain probably got awesome the same way Bruce Lee got awesome. Most likely, he was just THAT good, like Bruce Lee, who only lost one fight ever despite growing up in the crime filled slums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Gawain is basically Transfers Ike. Burger King even acknowledges him as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Kinda irrelevant, but don't forget to take a look at Greil's stats, caps and growths in the extra data: http://serenesforest.net/path-of-radiance/characters/npc-data/ My guess is that he was gonna actually show up on the battlefield with non-training stats at one point in the game's development. Same caps as Ike but as a hero he also has access to axes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I noticed that Axe!Vanguard's map model is the same as Greil in PoR. Axe!Vanguard also has Urvan as the display weapon too. They really were pushing the whole Ike becoming Greil thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yeah I think that's essentially what RD shows. Ike becoming and being the hero/leader he needed to be. Even the BK at the end comments how at that point he and Greil were so similar and identical in skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.Leu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Gawain created the best form of swordsmanship style ever, he teached it to the Black Knight and Ike, the strongest guys in Tellius. Apparently, he could also use Aether. I'm almost sure that, if he did used Ragnell, he would've won, hand screwed up or not. Normally to be that god-like, you got to be a branded, not some puny Beorc. Just saying, but that would cast a whole new light on him. And since we don't know much about the branded, or even about Greil and his wife anyways... EDIT: inb4Ikeisabranded. Though maybe it is the case, that would, again, cast a new light on the whole affair. Edited April 8, 2015 by B.Leu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Not that it matters but if he were branded then it would of been revealed in the story relatively early I mean we find out about Micaiah at the end of part 1 in RD and Soren in his supports in PoR. I figure maybe that's just what makes him that good is that he has the best swordsmanship through his own grit and training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.Leu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Well like I said, we know next to nothing about the branded, they're the ultra-super-secret of the tellius series. To the point where almost nothing is done with them. GG IS. No matter how many shonen will tell you otherwise, you just can't be god-like like Stefan or BK with only training, especially in Tellius, where magic-users have somekind of limitation in the lore, where at one point, they just can't be stronger. (Tormod/Calill support.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I suppose its just that the Tellius games makes being branded a huge deal with the characters that are branded. With Ike and Greil to some extent being main characters it just seems that if they were branded they would have revealed that in the plot at some point. I mean it is possible to be just that good and improve with training. A real world example like someone mentioned above would be a guy like Bruce Lee. The guy was human like anyone else but was both naturally good at what he did and trained his ass off to achieve superhuman feats and even he had a teacher. I'm not discounting the possibility that they could have been branded as nearly everyone in the story who is branded is naturally a savont at their craft but I'm just saying that if they were given how the Tellius games make such a huge deal about being branded it would be nonsensical for them not to reveal that in the plot. Edited April 10, 2015 by LordTaco42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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