momogeek2141 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Jamke has awesome bases, great growths, carries a Killer Bow, can net a Brave Bow from Aideen, and can use a Silver Bow without promoting. Ryan has awesome growths, reclass options that take advantage of his bow level, and helps make reverse Lunatic easier. If those aren't indicators that they are the best unpromoted Archers, I don't know what is. :P Those poor bases, and that EXP gain, though.Ryan is pretty blech as a unit outside the prologue on harder difficulties, honestly. His bases are absolutely pitiful. No problems with Jamka though, except for the fact that Briggid blows him out of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llee1000 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Hmm... I like Ryan because he becomes a beast in the later part of FE:12. His high Defense and strength is just to hard to pass up, imo. Haven't played FE:3, so can't judge there. I also haven't played FE:4 yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Jamke has awesome bases, great growths, carries a Killer Bow, can net a Brave Bow from Aideen, and can use a Silver Bow without promoting. Ryan has awesome growths, reclass options that take advantage of his bow level, and helps make reverse Lunatic easier. If those aren't indicators that they are the best unpromoted Archers, I don't know what is. :P As to Jamke, imo, he'd stand out if he wasn't in Mounted Emblem. Don't have any comment on Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 As to Jamke, imo, he'd stand out if he wasn't in Mounted Emblem. Don't have any comment on Ryan. He IS a really good unit though. Playing the game mountless really made me appreciate him as well as a lot of other units I'd normally never use (ARDAN). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jeorge 7 Ryan 3Briggid 13 Faval 6Klein 13Igrene 3 Rebecca 2 Wil 6Innes 17Leonardo 7 Since we're in the top 10 now, should we start planning how we're doing the countries...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jeorge 7 Ryan 1Briggid 13 Faval 6Klein 13Igrene 1 Rebecca 3 Wil 6Innes 17Leonardo 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 He IS a really good unit though. Playing the game mountless really made me appreciate him as well as a lot of other units I'd normally never use (ARDAN). I'm not denying that. I'm saying that he has the misfortune of being in a game where mounts steal the spotlight even more than normal, and thus, outside of the arena, I can't really see what he's capable of unless I slow down routinely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Yeah, I see what you mean. Even Ardan was pretty good when I'm forced to slow down by virtue of not having Sigurd (granted, Ardan still wasn't that great because he had swords as a primary weapon but you see what I'm trying to say.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJThom_2009 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jeorge 8 Ryan 1 Briggid 11 Faval 6 Klein 11 Igrene 1 Rebecca 3 Wil 6 Innes 18 Leonardo 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llee1000 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jeorge 8 Ryan 2 Sorry Ryan, I did everything I could. Briggid 11 Faval 6 Klein 11 Igrene 0 Rebecca 1 Wil 6 Innes 19 Leonardo 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jeorge 8 Ryan 3 Briggid 11 Faval 4 Klein 11 Rebecca 2 Wil 6 Innes 17 Leonardo 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Jeorge 8 Ryan 4 Briggid 11 Faval 5 Klein 11 Rebecca 0 Wil 4 Innes 17 Leonardo 8 Ryan is pretty blech as a unit outside the prologue on harder difficulties, honestly. His bases are absolutely pitiful.Reclass him to a Hunter, and problem's solved. I'll grant you he's no Draug, Rhodes, Luke, Caeda, or even Catria, Palla, Sirius, or Kris. But at the least, he has the highest long-term use out of the base bow users in FE12. Even Jeorge. Their bases, growths, and EXP gains are all fine, they aren't any worse than the vast majority of other characters in their game, they're perfectly viable characters to use should you want to use them :3Except Wil's and Rebecca's highest EXP gains all rely on them stealing kills other units could make better use of. And both of them possess traits no unit wants to have. Basically speaking, using them is pretty much an overall net negative on the player. Not saying "not to use either one", but at the same time, any significant contributions Wil and Rebecca offer to the team are virtually nonexistent. (Unless of course you count Noble Lady of Caelin, which is literally the only chapter where using Wil has any particular advantage.) and who needs Ryan when you have Castor? Lol. Ryan should obsolete Castor by the time the latter even joins. Edited June 26, 2015 by Just call me AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Except Wil's and Rebecca's highest EXP gains all rely on them stealing kills other units could make better use of. And both of them possess traits no unit wants to have. Basically speaking, using them is pretty much an overall net negative on the player. Not saying "not to use either one", but at the same time, any significant contributions Wil and Rebecca offer to the team are virtually nonexistent. (Unless of course you count Noble Lady of Caelin, which is literally the only chapter where using Wil has any particular advantage. With that logic, ANY unit killing ANY enemy is "stealing a kill." Unless you decide not to use any archers, nomads, or long-range units at all...it isn't "stealing a kill." Sorry, poor reasoning on that one. As for traits...what, exactly? Being dodge-happy and doubling almost everything with enough strength to still kill (Rebecca)? Having good strength and defense (Wil)? I didn't realize that those were poor traits. I guess I'm playing Fire Emblem all wrong. Doesn't seem like a "net negative" at all to me, their contributions seem pretty great for long-range kills. Lol. Ryan should obsolete Castor by the time the latter even joins. Castor > Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) With that logic, ANY unit killing ANY enemy is "stealing a kill." Unless you decide not to use any archers, nomads, or long-range units at all...it isn't "stealing a kill." Sorry, poor reasoning on that one. As for traits...what, exactly?Poor base durability, no enemy phase, heavily growth reliant. These two posts could explain it better than I can. Castor > Ryan Castor has worse availability than Ryan. :P Edited June 26, 2015 by Just call me AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Poor base durability, no enemy phase. These two posts could explain it better than I can. Yeah...no. Those posts take it all waaay out of proportion lol. Pretty much every unit has starting stats like that, that's why you have to train them and level them up. As far as archers go, Wil and Rebecca are very solid. Castor has worst availability than Ryan. :P Availability isn't everything :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Pretty much every unit has starting stats like that.Sounds to me that you've never tried for anything like Ranks. Availability isn't everything :P There's plenty of units out there that were ruined by their lack of availability. Like Nino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Honestly, Briggid's the Pent of archers, so she deserves to win if we're doing best archers, but we're not. Hunter Ryan doesn't solve the problem of his low bases, all it does is improve his move a little. I find more use for Gordin than he because Lubatic is unforgiving, and at least Gordin can chip better. Also, you speak of Wil and Rebecca as growth reliant, when Ryan is probably the most growth reliant out of all of them. Briggid +1 Faval +1 Ryan -2 Jeorge -2 Edited June 26, 2015 by momogeek2141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 There's plenty of units out there that were ruined by their lack of availability. Like Nino. And then there are those like Wendy, who may have the availability but stink way too much to make mush use of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Sounds to me that you've never tried for anything like Ranks. The only thing I haven't done in FE7 is complete the entirety of the support logs :P There's plenty of units out there that were ruined by their lack of availability. Like Nino. This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Updated list with momogeek2141's votes: Jeorge 6 Ryan 2Briggid 12 Faval 6Klein 11 Wil 4 Innes 17Leonardo 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Hunter Ryan doesn't solve the problem of his low bases, all it does is improve his move a little. I find more use for Gordin than he because Lunatic is unforgiving, and at least Gordin can chip better.Doesn't Gordin have less long-term use than his bro, though? I mean, judging from their averages, Ryan doesn't seem like he'll have any problems catching up. And before long, he'll end up passing Gordin. I imagine that's at least part of why Gordin is ranked (far) lower than his bro on both of the tier lists this site has for FE12. Edited June 26, 2015 by Just call me AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 He does have more long term and is definitely better than his bro, but I tend to not use him because of those bases, so might as well field the better chipper at base, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jeorge 4 Ryan 2Briggid 12 Faval 4Klein 11 Wil 4 Innes 18Leonardo 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jeorge 4 Ryan 0 Briggid 12 Faval 2 Klein 11 Wil 5 Innes 19 Leonardo 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jeorge 2 Briggid 12 Faval 0 Klein 11 Wil 5 Innes 20 Leonardo 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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