Xtremekiwi Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 So, I've just finished replaying through Path of Radiance and it feels good to have a capable main character. Why do I say that? Well, it's because, on my first playthrough, I was "blessed" with an "amazing" Ike. Here are a few screenshots showing him off: Here is Ike at 19/5 (I didn't realize he promoted at the end of the 4-part chapter (17 AFAIK), so I didn't get him the last level. As you can see, among his various other actual blessings how AMAZING his strength is. Here's Ike during the battle with the Black Knight. Overall, in all honesty, he's not THAT bad. Good skill, speed, defense AND surprisingly high resistance. Of course, when it comes to his most IMPORTANT stat... ...yeah. To those who say that "If you lose to the BK, you suck", well here's proff that you can get an unbeatable Black Knight purely because of the RNG. (Technically it's possible to beat the Black Knight even here: I would have just needed for Aether to activate 6 times in a row AND for the Black Knight to not proc Luna once. Obviously, that's not going to happen.) Oh, and if you think it gets better for me... Ike at 19/20, ladies and gentlemen. Capped skill, speed and resistance with a very high defense score. All canceled out by 17 goddamn strength. He can't even wield Ragnell without a speed penalty! What all that led up to. And that one point of damage is due to a B-support with Soren. Seriously, if I was playing on hard mode (And therefore no Giffca) I probably would have had to restart the entire game because the final boss was just nigh-unbeatable. THIS, by the way, is why I think the whole "Can only be harmed by Ike and a few specific characters" blessed armor thing is stupid. (To a lesser extent it's still there in Radiant Dawn) This does make me wonder: Did anyone else ever get an Ike with even less strength than me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Wow, this was super unlucky. In my latest playthorugh Ike's strength sucked too (did only 2 damage to BK), but I have never ever seen that he gets AS penalty by using the Ragnell.Even with resolve his strength is still lower than / equal as his strength cap of 26. (idk if rounded down or up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hey now, it could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Roy is not allowed to gain Str, silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtremekiwi Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Hey now, it could be worse. Well, given that that's Roy, it's not completely unexpected (Even if 10 strength after promotion is a bit overkill on the "Screw You" from the RNG). But Ike has a 50% strength growth. I calculated: At 19/20, for him to have 17 strength on average, he would have needed to have a 25% strength growth. Edited April 21, 2015 by Xtremekiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Not strength, but I did once get a 20/20 Ike with just 21 Spd. On Hard Mode. Hilarity ensued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 yeah ashnard should be allowed to be hurt by anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I always wondered if someone had to restart because of an unlucky Ike. Glad you still made it. I'm not sure what they were thinking with having Ashnard suddenly reveal right before the finale that he has blessed armor. The armor is a plot device to allow Ike to fight the BK one on one. There exists no such reason for the Ashnard battle. Heck, the two don't even know each other. It only causes problems both in gameplay and the story for various reasons. What's also weird, is that they were smart enough to make beating the BK optional but provided no such alternate solution for Ashnard, even though if you can't take on the former then you will probably also fail against the latter. And obvisiously Ena and Nasir are not up for the task unless very specific preperations are taken. Although they probably at least gave Bryce the Speedwing for the specific purpose of helping out a sluggish Ike. Edited April 21, 2015 by BrightBow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Well, given that that's Roy, it's not completely unexpected (Even if 10 strength after promotion is a bit overkill on the "Screw You" from the RNG). But Ike has a 50% strength growth. I calculated: At 19/20, for him to have 17 strength on average, he would have needed to have a 25% strength growth.It actually has a sub-1% chance of occurring. In fact, Ike has a 63% chance of maxing Strength at 19/20. I think mekkah's had like 7 str at Level 15, but I'll wait on him to chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) This happened to me once, but I just ended up BEXP/Reset-abusing until Ike proc'd strength for every level up. It was costly though. PoR always gives me the worst RNG luck, and I have no idea why. Edited April 21, 2015 by Radiant head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I laughed when I saw the 0 damage BK battle. Holy shit this is sad. I have absurd luck in this game (including a STR capped Marcia at lv 6, average she caps at 20/20.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Dragons Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Wow... that Ike...You have to admit it's actually pretty amazing in how determined he didn't want good Strength. 1/4 of those Strength increases were from his promotion gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtremekiwi Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wow... that Ike... You have to admit it's actually pretty amazing in how determined he didn't want good Strength. 1/4 of those Strength increases were from his promotion gains. Heh, that's true. In fact, when he got his promotion, he got, from his promotion, one less then he did from the previous 18 levels. I laughed when I saw the 0 damage BK battle. Holy shit this is sad. I have absurd luck in this game (including a STR capped Marcia at lv 6, average she caps at 20/20.) As consolation, I guess, the second time I played through PoR (During whick Ike, up until the battle with the Black Knight, was painfully mediocre, but still with better strength), I had a Boyd with 19 speed at 20/0. He capped it at 20/10. Needless to say he was my MVP of the entire run (insert non-existent Boyd smiley here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure what they were thinking with having Ashnard suddenly reveal right before the finale that he has blessed armor. The armor is a plot device to allow Ike to fight the BK one on one. There exists no such reason for the Ashnard battle. Heck, the two don't even know each other. It only causes problems both in gameplay and the story for various reasons. Yeah I find this incredibly frustrating. Especially in HM when he goes after you. Like I have no problem with Ashnard attacking my characters. I just wish they could counter them instead of just being helpless. It's like all the effort I put into training them goes to waste. At least Elincia should be able to hurt him. I dunno if Amiti counts as a blessed sword. Edited April 23, 2015 by Radiant head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 The worst part is that Ashnard has a programmed weakness to bows... but no bows are blessed, so it does nothing. But yeah that's pretty sad. Last time I played FE9 he got Def screwed hard. Didn't stand a chance against the BK, but yours had even less chance. Hey now, it could be worse. My sympathies The funny thing is he's probably still easily kill Idoun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irysa Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I always wondered if someone had to restart because of an unlucky Ike. Glad you still made it. I'm not sure what they were thinking with having Ashnard suddenly reveal right before the finale that he has blessed armor. The armor is a plot device to allow Ike to fight the BK one on one. There exists no such reason for the Ashnard battle. Heck, the two don't even know each other. It only causes problems both in gameplay and the story for various reasons. What's also weird, is that they were smart enough to make beating the BK optional but provided no such alternate solution for Ashnard, even though if you can't take on the former then you will probably also fail against the latter. And obvisiously Ena and Nasir are not up for the task unless very specific preperations are taken. Although they probably at least gave Bryce the Speedwing for the specific purpose of helping out a sluggish Ike. I'd take that over final bosses who kind of just roll over and die (FE6, 7) or bosses who ORKO the Lord no matter what (FE11). It's nice to have some purpose or reasoning to actually train the Lord and make them important to finishing the game, since it's a natural inclination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 FE10's Ashera was probably the best final boss. Remove the "kill with Ike" requisite and she's perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) I had an Ike with 13 str in PoR after promotion once. Yeah...I abandoned that file later. xP A str-screwed Ike doesn't even make sense at all lol. He's supposed to be very strong physically. :P Capping RES of all stats though, that's not something you usually see in an Ike. Edited April 23, 2015 by Anacybele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I had an Ike with 13 str in PoR after promotion once. Yeah...I abandoned that file later. xP A str-screwed Ike doesn't even make sense at all lol. He's supposed to be very strong physically. :P Capping RES of all stats though, that's not something you usually see in an Ike. I've gotten very lucky with PoR Ike. I've had him cap res twice, I think, though I probably used at least one talisman on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 My personal record is 11 strength. He also had skill so poor that he could miss with Aether. The only good thing was that he had super high res and defense, so he couldn't die, but he couldn't KILL anything either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamy Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I had an Ike with 13 str in PoR after promotion once. Yeah...I abandoned that file later. xP A str-screwed Ike doesn't even make sense at all lol. He's supposed to be very strong physically. :P Capping RES of all stats though, that's not something you usually see in an Ike. Anna decides who's buff and who isn't. Despite the similarity of your name to the RNG Goddess, you are not Anna, Ana. You're just Ana... cybele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Yeah, I've had some pretty bad Ikes Str-wise in PoR. I think he started to be acceptable after promotion though but I seriously think he only proc'd Str once before L15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 and thus this thread proves my idea of "50% growths are horrible because they are a coin flip" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irysa Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I thought you were the one who got mega defensive about that last time it was brought up and that you were only reiterating someone else's idea after it got BTFO by mathematical demonstrations? http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=47893&page=1 said thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Hey now, it could be worse. Roy at base + promotion gains can take out 1/3 Idoun's hp, I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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