Zhadox Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I personally like the Black Knight more because of his story and design. Though Ike is my favorite lord at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 That WTF awesome battle theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Great Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Ike is cool, but ZELGIUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Making me choose between my favorite FE hero and my favorite FE villain? Ugh. :( Guess I'll have to pick Ike though, since he's honestly one of my favorite video game characters ever. As cool and badass as Zelgius is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediocreLee Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I have to give my vote to Ike because of what he was able to do throughout the course of his games. Zelgius, though, is awesome in his own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Zelgius was kind of lame. I don't think the attempt to make him some tragic antihero worked at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Honestly, Zelgius bored me. The moment I saw him I knew who he really was and the BK is... well... It's far too overdone in fantasy to be of interest. It doesn't help that my friend just HAS to put his music on every custom smash stage to the point where I had to go in and tell him to change at least some of them or I would outright refuse to play his custom stages. Fire Emblem might have good music but I don't need to hear it EVERY time I play Smash Bros! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) I wlll agree that Black Knight could've had a cooler name. I mean "Black Knight" is kind of eh and used a lot. In fact, that name is as old as my parents since it was used in the very first Scooby Doo episode. The bad guy was the Black Knight ghost. lol Now that I think about it, wasn't it "Dark Knight" in Japanese PoR/RD? That's a bit eh too, but better than Black Knight, imo. Edited May 17, 2015 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) I think the Black Knight kinda blows, to be honest. I liked a lot of the emotions that came from him killing Greil and when he shows up he has one hell of a presence but I'm not sure what purpose he serves for the story at large. I mean, the Black Knights kills Greil and wounds the Greil Mercenaries, setting Ike on a path of revenge. And killing the Black Knight at Castle Nados is what finally gives Ike peace. Yet, the game is actually about a circle of revenge between the Beorc and the Laguz, something that both races have to overcome... So the presence of a "revenge gives you peace" subplot really irritates me. And his actions in Radiant Dawn make no sense in the first place. Edited May 18, 2015 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seo Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Ike of course. Since the Black Knight... RADIANT DAWN SPOILERS ... became Sephiran's slave in Radiant Dawn.... -_-' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Not sure of this is a spoiler, but He was taking orders from Sephiran in PoR too. Edited May 20, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I went with Ike. Yeah I know people complain that he's flat in RD but if you play both PoR and RD back to back you can really actually see his full development as a character. Plus he's a strong ass unit and owns the Black Knight in RD without even trying even on hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I think the Black Knight kinda blows, to be honest. I liked a lot of the emotions that came from him killing Greil and when he shows up he has one hell of a presence but I'm not sure what purpose he serves for the story at large. I mean, the Black Knights kills Greil and wounds the Greil Mercenaries, setting Ike on a path of revenge. And killing the Black Knight at Castle Nados is what finally gives Ike peace. Yet, the game is actually about a circle of revenge between the Beorc and the Laguz, something that both races have to overcome... So the presence of a "revenge gives you peace" subplot really irritates me. And his actions in Radiant Dawn make no sense in the first place. I think his purpose was to give a 'face' to the enemy and to provide the player with a direct reason to want to fight back. When you get down to it Ashnard really isn't that great a villain in that he's not on-screen all that much and he doesn't really do too much when it comes to the party except for, arguably, Elincia/Lucia/Geoffry/Bastion. Had Greil not died the player would have no motive to take down Ashnard beyond Elincia's desire to reclaim the throne and the players desire to slay the big-bad. Not saying it's a GOOD role, but that was probably what he was meant to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Ike of course. Since the Black Knight... RADIANT DAWN SPOILERS ... became Sephiran's slave in Radiant Dawn.... -_-' At the end of Chapter 11 of Path of Radiance, Ranulf and BK I think were about to fight and Sephiran intervenes and tells the BK to leave him alone and BK leaves. So, he was his slave already in POR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Slave? What...!? They were working together and had a mutual understanding and respect for each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Aside from killing Greil, there's nothing to indicate he had his own agency at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Boring protagonist versus boring villain... it's like choosing between a kick in the groin and a poke in the eyes. I'll give the vote to Ike only because he's pretty cool in FE9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Boring protagonist versus boring villain... it's like choosing between a kick in the groin and a poke in the eyes. Pretty much this. I'll go with the Black Knight for his ability to come out of some house and make you go "oh shit" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy: Marquess of Pherae Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The Black Knight is one of the most interesting characters in Fire Emblem as a whole. The game teases you by revealing little to no information about him until endgame of the second game! All of his motives, his pain, and the fact that he makes you shiver every time he appears is only part of what makes him so interesting. HIs desire to test Ike. His honor and ability to acknowledge that Ike is stronger than him. He is a much more developed character than Ike ever will be. Ike is strong and he cares about his mercenary family. He wants to do what his father would do. Aside from that, there is nothing about Ike that really makes him all that interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Ike is different from just about every other FE lord, that's what makes him so interesting to me. He's still the only one that's not of royal or noble birth and instead of being part of nobility, he hates it and hates nobles in general. He's like the opposite of all the other lords in this sense, even Hector whom he was based upon. And even then, Ike doesn't really share much in common with Hector. Unlike the other lords, all Ike wants is a simple life as a mercenary. He got thrown into everything he was involved in by chance and then earned many people's respect by just being himself. He never asked for anything that he got. He gave way more. He even tried to give the innocent Daein people food and money despite that they spat on him. All he ever asks is payment for being a mercenary and even then, that's not much because he's no Volke. And I like that Ike holds no prejudice against anyone for race or anything. Beorc or laguz, he treats them the same. He still calls Soren his friend despite Soren being a Branded and he makes friends with all kinds of laguz. Ike doesn't think that race or anything matters. The real world really needs more people like him. Also, I'll repost this video that was posted on the PoR board awhile back. It pretty much says why I love Ike so much (although unlike the maker of the vid, I was a fan of Ike from the moment I first played PoR) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joPOFHTItF0 Edited May 25, 2015 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 All of his motives, his pain, and the fact that he makes you shiver every time he appears is only part of what makes him so interesting. HIs desire to test Ike. His honor and ability to acknowledge that Ike is stronger than him. Nah, BK just gives the illusion of depth, but his character is dumb and meaningless when it comes down to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Nah, BK just gives the illusion of depth, but his character is dumb and meaningless when it comes down to it. I think my biggest problem with him, is how nothing he really does adds up with how antagonistic he was in PoR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Nah, BK just gives the illusion of depth, but his character is dumb and meaningless when it comes down to it. Tbh though, Ike isn't that much better in RD. In PoR IS wrote both characters fantastically, Ike especially. They completely botched everything up in RD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Maybe not, but Ike annoys me less because it's not like the writers tried to pretend he was this super deep and complex character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The thing with the BK that constantly gets me is that they try to make him look like a semi-good guy in the end as the one who pushed Ike to get stronger. But when you get down to it the BK was so hellbent on becoming stronger that he killed his master who was also a father at the time and that was of his own will. Furthermore hes willing to kill Ike at the end of RD just to prove that he's the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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