Gomez_Addams Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 It sucks because I actually like Johalva better as a character but his anim is dumb as fuck http://cuniculosus.tumblr.com/post/121652782911/redesign-of-feifs-charlotte-regarding Basically I wasn't even trying to make Charlotte's design unsexy or sth Just getting rid of some dumb shit that came with fighter and working with other parts of it to be more visually appealing I figured that even though the fighter design is dumb I should work with it in the spirit of fe13/14 style designs I just take a lot more liberties with it It's a very good drawing, don't get me wrong, but something about the whole "German barmaid" aesthetic just makes me giggle. Will the male Fighters wear suspenders and lederhosen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 It's a very good drawing, don't get me wrong, but something about the whole "German barmaid" aesthetic just makes me giggle. Will the male Fighters wear suspenders and lederhosen? But who will hold the beer stein joke weapon? It's too small to be an axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) It's a very good drawing, don't get me wrong, but something about the whole "German barmaid" aesthetic just makes me giggle. Will the male Fighters wear suspenders and lederhosen? Ah, it's cool, can't please everyone It'd be an upgrade from whatever the fuck the have now certainly Edited August 17, 2015 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That redesign looks much more appropriate for a fighter. But who will hold the beer stein joke weapon? It's too small to be an axe. Make it a giant one, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachmac Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Vote Thor Odinson for FE15's new art director. What's peculiar about Awakening and Fates' sexy designs though, is that theirs are particularly fetishistic. Yeah. It gets so bad about appealing to fetishes that it's obnoxious. If Camilla had simply just shown cleavage, I probably would of gotten over it pretty quickly. The problem is that they've put so much emphasis onto it that it just looks really weird to me. I don't find Camilla's design to be that "sexy", just really weird and distracting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixsmith Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Wait, is this a thread where people aren't trying to justify the shitty armor? Wowzers! Skimpy armor and battle panties are major pet peeves of mine because there's literally no excuse for it. I think the fact that it's a game about war trumps any debates about art style. It's actually maddening that male characters get to wear suits of pauldron-adorned fantasy armor while women get lingerie. And like I said, there is no freaking excuse! It's so transparently pandering to the male gaze (ah, no offense), because why on earth would a woman who rides a freaking dragon into battle wear no pants-- yeah. This subject angers me to the point of near illiteracy in my posts. The word is EVENTUALLY, numbnuts, and thanks for ignoring the rest of my posts. They didn't wear pants for hundreds of years, they didn't start to wear pants until the end of the Roman era. The better question is, why are you trying to justify warriors not wearing pants in a setting in which pants are clearly a thing? Edited August 18, 2015 by eclipse Merged double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixsmith Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) · Hidden by eclipse, August 18, 2015 - facepalm.gif Hidden by eclipse, August 18, 2015 - facepalm.gif The word is EVENTUALLY, numbnuts, and thanks for ignoring the rest of my posts. They didn't wear pants for hundreds of years, they didn't start to wear pants until the end of the Roman era. The better question is, why are you trying to justify warriors not wearing pants in a setting in which pants are clearly a thing? Edited August 18, 2015 by Sixsmith Link to comment
gayserbeam Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) If we're going to assume that women don't wear pants because this is medieval times, we should also consider that women didn't shave their legs then. Or their underarms. Or their lady bits. They also didn't have lingerie, or bikinis, or bridal gowns, or French maid outfits, or thigh-high leather boots, or any other items on the Japanese executive's fetish checklist Edited August 18, 2015 by gayserbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 If we're going to assume that women don't wear pants because this is medieval times, we should also consider that women didn't shave their legs then. Or their underarms. Or their lady bits. They also didn't have lingerie, or bikinis, or bridal gowns, or French maid outfits, or thigh-high leather boots, or any other items on the Japanese executive's fetish checklist Hairy armpits for everyone next FE pls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Geargia Gateway Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 If we're going to assume that women don't wear pants because this is medieval times, we should also consider that women didn't shave their legs then. Or their underarms. Or their lady bits. They also didn't have lingerie, or bikinis, or bridal gowns, or French maid outfits, or thigh-high leather boots, or any other items on the Japanese executive's fetish checklist That got me too. Chrom, where did you get those spandex looking underwear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 If we're going to assume that women don't wear pants because this is medieval times, we should also consider that women didn't shave their legs then. Or their underarms. Or their lady bits. They also didn't have lingerie, or bikinis, or bridal gowns, or French maid outfits, or thigh-high leather boots, or any other items on the Japanese executive's fetish checklist I love you, man. To add to that, we can assume people don't bathe regularly or brush their teeth, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha2090 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Brilliant deduction, Holmes! I don't think anyone's under the impression Fire Emblem is realistic, but you were suggesting that anyone who dislikes the designs does so solely on that basis. Your manner was quite condescending, as though you have provided an objective answer to the topic and you wanted everyone to stop suggesting other reasons. Hence why I reminded you that you can't shut down discussion simply because you don't like it. Not inherently true. There are plenty of boring, practical designs in the series. The creators are not some ineffable force of the universe, whose motives are so eldritch that humanity should not seek to understand them, lest they go mad. They are part of a video game company that is trying to sell as many video games as possible. Especially not me? Why is my subjective opinion worth less than your subjective opinion? You won't address my position using logic because you know you don't have a leg to stand on, but you're perfectly content to sling mud at me regardless. Why don't you practice what you preach? Don't put words in my mouth, I beg. I suggested nothing beyond exactly what I said. Any misinterpretations on your part are no fault of my own. Never once in the entirety of my posts did I come anywhere near to saying that my opinion was the objective one and as such, no one else should bother posting. If that's what I wanted to say, I assure you, I would have just done so rather than mince words. It's almost as if you deliberately twisted my words so as to suit your own purposes. As I stated previously, the goal of my post was to remind some folks that fire emblem is a fantasy medieval game and as such, need not necessarily adhere to modern day practicalities regarding designs and aesthetics. Since the amount of armor a character dons has no effect on said character's stats, heck, even if it did, characters wear they wear first and foremost due to their designer simply wishing them to wear it. No further reasoning beyond that. Once more, as I've previously stated, you speak as if you are the defining authority on what is and isn't good character design. Such things are subjective, my own opinions included, and should not be stated as if they are objective truth. Its one thing to say that you didn't personally care for a design. Its quite another to definitively claim it bad. I...I am not even sure what to make of your eldritch comment, so I'll just tune that bit out. You're taking my words out of context. Refer back to what you stated beforehand. You stated as if it were a hard truth, rather than your own personal opinion, that certain aesthetic choices were bad design. I was drawing attention to the fact that this a flawed foundation to stand upon as no one person has the authority to decide which aesthetic options are bad without exception. That is it. How one managed to draw from that, that suddenly my opinion was more valuable than yours, once again which is something I never came close to saying, is beyond my comprehension. Sling mud? Good sir, at what point did I ever throw an insult your way? At no point did I ever make mention of your character or capabilities or anything of the sort. I drew attention to way you phrased a statement. Simply put. Nothing more and nothing less. If you hadn't noticed, I've been practicing such the entire while. Once more, at no point did I suggest that my opinion held more weight than your own. The entire point of my original post was to draw attention to fact that there needn't always be a reason behind a character's appearance. Sometimes a character looks a certain way for no other reason than the fact that their creators desired such a thing. Whether or not such a thing would hinder thier combat abilities is largely a moot point as such things are not factored into the gameplay experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 This is not the place to be condescending, and others are VERY MUCH allowed to have a different opinion than you. Don't talk down to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha2090 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 This is not the place to be condescending, and others are VERY MUCH allowed to have a different opinion than you. Don't talk down to them. Who is this directed at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Who is this directed at? You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Geargia Gateway Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thor Odinson's work gives me hope, seriously. I hear Shouzou Kaga is looking for an artsy person. What's peculiar about Awakening and Fates' sexy designs though, is that theirs are particularly fetishistic. The battle skirts we had never felt so porny. Now the designs are filled with little, meticulous sexy details, all to be gazed upon with the camera. Those small details like love hearts going through your cleavage, Felicia! And a strap in between Camilla's too. But why these small details?So yeah, it's there to "please", but Japan love to make sex sell or bait the characters so people rape these objectified characters and put it on the internet. I seriously didn't have a lot of hatred or even mind a lot of sexualization when I watch my anime (to a degree, freggin HDxD), cause I know it's a bit of fanservice that has been going on for a long while now, cause it's nice to look at the very few of sexy guys and gals, "Okay, they're hot, time to move on and go for what I came for". But This is something Fire Emblem just never do. Not, putting no pants on characters, but that and the characters and the game flaunting them all the time. Now they're loading it with so or too much pander, and so that grows on me to hate it to bits, as it goes back and forth in my head. Then I find find it hard to enjoy general anime. Today, I judged the hell out of God Eater because of the fanservice. The first female I saw had massive tits or the Main Girl wore no pants. But I shouldn't judge for, originally, a japanese loved game. The fanservice is there, but it's overshadowed by great characters, action, story, etc like it's supposed to be. Something that I believe IS have seems to forgotten. TL;DR: Fire Emblem destroyed my respect of sexualization that I couldn't care about by not having enough pants. Down with Fire Emblem and it's NO pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningCandy Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I think the main problem is that they put fanservice where it's not needed. For example, DLC Witch, and the Dark Mage line, and even Maid don't try to pretend they AREN'T fanservice. They clearly are fanservice, clearly are meant to be 'sexy'. Their *whole* design is 'sexy.' But Wyvern Rider, Falcoknight, and lots of other classes have random fanservice all over them. Like Camilla's boob strap and panty hole in a design that didn't need it, or Charlotte's weird perpetual upskirt thing when she would have been fine wearing a normal skirt or shorts or whatever. Edited August 18, 2015 by BurningCandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limstella Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm not bothered and don't care about fanservice usually, but man, Charlotte's design bugs me. It's more of the Fighter class's design than her though. Who thought just wearing shoulder/collar armor and exposing your vitals was a good idea? No wonder Fighters have poor defense. I'd prefer it if fighters didn't wear any armor at all than random shoulder armor. It just looks weird to me. I've looked at some supports, and I kinda like Charlotte's character, but her design bugs me too. Also, every single female dark mage's design. (need I even bother explaining?) I'm okay with one or two Fan service characters (like Tharja or Aversa) but when it's 5+ it starts getting on my nerves >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abysswalker25 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Some kind of Emperor's New Clothes type deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marche Raotzer Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Charlotte. (Then again, fighters have poor defense) how odd charlotte on my version is a fucking tank and her def and luck stats are through the roof the RNG Goddess is smiling down on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 That means nothing when her actual defense growth is 25%->20% going Fighter->Berserker which is very low for physical units Her HP is the highest in game though Getting ridiculous blessed on one file due to the nature of random numbers means nothing in context of actual data Fighter as a class only has 5% base def growth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantairu Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Any Pegasus knight in any FE game. Also, wouldn't flying in the air be the worst time to wear a skirt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Any Pegasus knight in any FE game. Also, wouldn't flying in the air be the worst time to wear a skirt? Common criticism for a long time. Still, we pretty much had only that. Now...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomez_Addams Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Common criticism for a long time. Still, we pretty much had only that. Now...? This is wrong. This is very, very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) This is wrong. This is very, very wrong. Please then, give examples of recurring fanservice that isn't the thigh-highs + skirt of the PK outfit or something similiar to it. There's some fanservice here and there, but nothing else as consistently or frequently as that (and generally on the milder side). (I didn't deny that there was more than that, as "pretty much only" was trying to convey; it's that they're subtler and infrequent.) Edited August 20, 2015 by The DanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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