Alastor15243 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I've heard that Tania's pretty mediocre, though looking at her stat averages on the serenes forest thracia resource section, I get the impression she's more of an incredibly devastating glass cannon since she nearly caps strength and completely caps skl, spd and lck. So I've been considering using her, especially since she and Orsin, who nobody can deny is awesome, share a support bonus. Why is Tania bad in so many peoples' opinions? Surely giving a critical boost to an awesome unit with a high pcc is enough on its own to make her useful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Because she's an Archer. As far as Archers go though, she's def better than Ronan, the only other Archer you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 cant you just use halvan for the support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 cant you just use halvan for the support? For some strange reason they don't support each other. Tania's the only one who supports Orsin apart from Eyvel, and Halvan doesn't get supported by anyone but Eyvel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 One big problem with bow users in this game is Weapon Ranks. They take forever to build and due to Archers barely being able to counter, it takes a very long time for them to wield the good weapons. I usually just stick to Selfina as my bow user in FE5. She may not reach stats as good as Tania, but she has Brave Bow access as soon as she gets it in Ch.13, plus a horse outdoors. Charge is also a great skill on a bow user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) i have deployed tanya just for the dagdar support before. but usually it's not worth wasting a deployment slot just to support one unit. EDIT: adding on to mekkah's comments below: orsin has 3 PCC and pugi has the magic 30 crit, so he doesn't need a support to achieve near-guaranteed crits on pursuit attacks. he will also have 99 hit without support against most enemy types after just a few level ups gaining skl and luk, and for most of the game there exist nanna and king sword as charisma options to further boost his hit when necessary. tanya's main contribution as an orsin supporter is early in the game where he can be simply using an iron axe to conserve pugi uses. iron axe has -15 hit compared to pugi and no innate crit, so tanya's support is helpful there. Edited October 13, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Averages do not tell the whole story. Tanya starts off really weak with her 3 base str. She's not reaching double digit strength until promotion. She can be helped a bit by the str scrolls, but the early ones only give 5-10% extra each and it's tedious to have them on her every level up. If you play really, really slowly she can eventually sort of become good, but at that rate, anyone can be. Supporting Othin is nice for him, but since he has Wrath, he doesn't need a whole lot of help. The boost to his accuracy is nice, but not worth all the trouble repeatedly deploying Tanya is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) She isn't a glass cannon. Just about everyone else gets faster to the point were they can kill grunts in one round. And since her PCC is low, she is never going to be much of a boss killer. She also takes a long time to dig herself out of her E-Rank in bows, which is unfortunate since there isn't that much competition for the Brave Bow. (I mean, you got Selphina and... Xavier?) I often end up deploying her to support Dagdar and Othin, but that's about it. Edited October 13, 2015 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Selphina is better, not for her growths or stats, but her weapon rank. She gets the Brave Bow from an event conversation too. Archers aren't that useful in this iteration of Fire Emblem. Stick with magic users; they don't disappoint, unless your name is Seram. -_- Edited October 13, 2015 by Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Now I feel stupid for using that first life ring on her. I noticed that I find archers more useful the more difficult a fire emblem game gets, so I figured I might as well have one in this game, only to hear all this... Edited October 13, 2015 by Alastor15243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmola Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) It doesn't help that wind magic does a perfectly good job with the whole "anti flyer" thing. (especially because asvel exists). Neither does it help that the difficulty comes mostly from surprises and map gimmicks, which archers can't really help with. Edited October 13, 2015 by sirmola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Because she's an Archer. As far as Archers go though, she's def better than Ronan, the only other Archer you get. Pretty much this. I don't like the two bow knights so she's kind of the only option for bows considering how slow weapon ranks go up for people who get bows on promotion. She's got great availability and can be fed a skill manual or something so she's definitely usable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmola Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Pretty much this. I don't like the two bow knights so she's kind of the only option for bows considering how slow weapon ranks go up for people who get bows on promotion. She's got great availability and can be fed a skill manual or something so she's definitely usable. Xavier starts with A bows, so you could use him as your bow user (assuming you are masochistic enough to fulfill his insane recruitment conditions). I heard that Robert (your one unpromoted bow knight) is good, although he starts with an E Rank. Out of curiosity, has anyone tried leveling dagda's bow rank (as he is the jaigen, he comes prepromoted, complete with E bows)? does that work out well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Eh I mean why use bows on Dagda/Marty when they have hand axes and 1-2 range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Dagdar/Selphina should easily be able to cover all your bowusing needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Because she's an Archer. As far as Archers go though, she's def better than Ronan, the only other Archer you get. tanya's combat (lol) is better than ronan's, but ronan's mobility is much more useful as a warm body to transport around low bld units. Archers aren't that useful in this iteration of Fire Emblem. Stick with magic users; they don't disappoint, unless your name is Seram. -_- uh salem is really good. pretty much every magic user is serviceable with wind, and salem's mag is quite good, which compensates for wind's drawback of being somewhat weak. Out of curiosity, has anyone tried leveling dagda's bow rank (as he is the jaigen, he comes prepromoted, complete with E bows)? does that work out well? Eh I mean why use bows on Dagda/Marty when they have hand axes and 1-2 range? hand axes are overall just a terrible option in FE5 and i strongly believe that they should never be used. they have terrible accuracy and less MT than iron bows. i also can't think of a place in which i'd use a hand axe for combat. that said, it's not worth going out of the way to build dagdar's bow rank, although there will be many situationd in which iron bow will be dagdar's best option and you may end up raising his bow rank coincidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) tanya's combat (lol) is better than ronan's, but ronan's mobility is much more useful as a warm body to transport around low bld units. uh salem is really good. pretty much every magic user is serviceable with wind, and salem's mag is quite good, which compensates for wind's drawback of being somewhat weak. hand axes are overall just a terrible option in FE5 and i strongly believe that they should never be used. they have terrible accuracy and less MT than iron bows. i also can't think of a place in which i'd use a hand axe for combat. that said, it's not worth going out of the way to build dagdar's bow rank, although there will be many situationd in which iron bow will be dagdar's best option and you may end up raising his bow rank coincidentally. Well, I guess if you train him. You have 10x better mages to use though. Asvel, Linonan, Olwen/Eyrios, Homer and Sara outclass him in combat. Seram is better than Olwen/Eyrios in the sense that he can use staffs. His growths aren't that great, so he would need a ton of crusader scrolls to patch up his weaknesses. If he had a better Dark Magic rank, he would be able to use Fenrir sooner and be more useable. However, he's stuck with Yotsmungand, which really weighs him down. I would use Seram over Selphina and Tania, but there are other recruitable mages that do the job better, like Homer. Seram has a PCC of 1 where Homer has a PCC of 5. Edited October 14, 2015 by Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 With scrolls Tanya maxed out strength and almost capped defense (18). She was fantastic in my entire run. ...I think she was a little bit RNG blessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The point is that Seram is good. Doesn't matter if other Mages are better, Seram himself is a solid unit. Olwen in particular is a lot worse: no staves, and her prf weapon is heavy to the point where she basically can't do enemy phase with it. Salem is 2 HP/2 Def level ups removed from equaling her physical durability, but he has a lot more room to grow with the use of scrolls. His promotion instantly gives him +4 def. Sure, Asvel, Linoan, Homer and Sarah are probably better than Seram. But Seram is better than most units in this game, including Olwen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Olwen + Dime Thunder + ambush saved my ass in 24x. I warped her to the area with the exit. All the reinforcement dark mages went for her. Thanks ambush she could kill them all without taking damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmola Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Well, I guess if you train him. You have 10x better mages to use though. Asvel, Linonan, Olwen/Eyrios, Homer and Sara outclass him in combat. Seram is better than Olwen/Eyrios in the sense that he can use staffs. His growths aren't that great, so he would need a ton of crusader scrolls to patch up his weaknesses. If he had a better Dark Magic rank, he would be able to use Fenrir sooner and be more useable. However, he's stuck with Yotsmungand, which really weighs him down. I would use Seram over Selphina and Tania, but there are other recruitable mages that do the job better, like Homer. Seram has a PCC of 1 where Homer has a PCC of 5. In my playthrough, i actualy used every single one of the mages you mentioned, plus all 3 unpromoted clerics, and they were all worth using. (granted, i was playing elite mode so i had more exp to go around). Staves increase fateague really quickly, so you want as many staff users as possible (especialy ones with high HP), and starting with C and +1 on promotion is really good in a game arguably defined by its "staff on staff combat", even if you never use him in battle. Also, around half the people you mentioned cant actually use wind before promotion because it is D rank and they start at E. Edited October 15, 2015 by sirmola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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