Tactician_Trent Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 What team did you use to beat Hector Hard Mode? I'm already sucking at Normal Hector mode alone and I'm not sure if it's my team or just my lack of intelligence XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagfisch Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The amount of multiposts is almost cringeworthy. If you just want to get through HHM you should just focus 12 units (including lords) or less. Also, don't be afraid to use Marcus early game, especially when mobility or defence is necesarry (Chapter 13x to Chapter 15) SSS ranking HHM is another story, if you want help with that someone else has to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 You can't go wrong with Marcus, Sain and arguably Kent. Florina, Fiora and Heath can easily earn a spot on your team. You should be able to suffice with either Serra or Priscilla, though Priscilla preferably due to larger move in all but 1 chapters of the game. If you prefer to go a bit slower, Oswin can hold a spot. If you plan to acquire the dark tome, Luna, I'd definitely include Canas. Regardless of what type of mages you want to include, Pent is a very strong and capable unit, though a fairly late joining one. Ninian/Nils for sure. Hector's obviously forced. Work on Lyn and Eliwood though, since they are forced units throughout the game. Bartre and Dorcas can fill in some blanks early on. My typical team includes Marcus, Sain, Kent, Lowen, Florina, Fiora, Heath, Isadora, Pent, Priscilla and Farina, with shuffling here and there depending on what I need. Mounted units and Pent really give you everything you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 As for some competent foot soldiers, Raven, Guy (with HHM bonuses), and Dart are all especially good choices (although the latter is not really viable as an endgame unit in Ranked due to his high promotion cost). While mounted units dominate most of the game, Raven has some of the best growths among all your units, in addition to higher stat caps, which can make a big difference when your up against the morphs in the final chapter of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 You can beat HHM with just about anybody, really, some will obviously make your life easier but, there's no one unit who will utterly screw you over My standard team includes: Hector, Lyn, Nin/nils, Marcus, Isadora, Raven, Lucius, one or both of Florina/Heath, Harken, Pent, Hawkeye, Farina, Vaida, and I use Matthew until I get Legault, use Legault until I get Jaffar. I tend to prefer prepromotes since some units that are hailed as great (and looking at averages and what they offer, are great) such as Sain and Kent often don't perform well for me because RNG is a thing. Prepromotes in this game is pretty fucking good and are basically RNG proof. If your team sucks, just get some prepromote to drop in and they will immediately pull their weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 true Marcus, Pent and Harken are fabulous. Isadora and Vaida are pretty good. Even Jaffar pulls his weight. Maybe Karel/Karla/Wallace are the most questionable Prepromoted units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Karel is still very solid offensively. He's only frowned upon because Harken is better. I'd consider other prepremotes like Louise/Renault worse, although the only truely bad ones are Karla and Wallace. Isadora is even kind of dubious in HHM, she's not particularly good at killing things or staying alive, she's only really good because of her 8 movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I found if I'm going to use her anyway, that robe she comes with goes nicely on her; Sain/Kent has disappointed me enough times, but I still want 2 Paladins. Robe/Ring Isadora does well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactician_Trent Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Okay so it sounds like it's just me XD I've been running Hector, Eliwood, Lyn, Erk, Raven, Guy, Dart, Florina, and Priscilla. Those seem to be solid characters based off what I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoesMad Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I would suggest picking between Raven and Guy since you already have two other swordlocked 5 move units (eliwood and lyn), and would suggest you use a mobile unit like sain or kent instead of raven/guy. Get sniped Roofa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 HHM is a lot easier when you're using Marcus extensively. Eliwood, Lyn, Raven, and Guy are all extremely redundant team choices (and really, having a team full of sword locked dudes is just making things harder for yourself, although it's certainly possible), you'd benefit more from replacing two of them with another flier (possibly Heath/Farina) and a Paladin of some sort (Marcus). EDIT Dammit LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactician_Trent Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 HHM is a lot easier when you're using Marcus extensively. Eliwood, Lyn, Raven, and Guy are all extremely redundant team choices (and really, having a team full of sword locked dudes is just making things harder for yourself, although it's certainly possible), you'd benefit more from replacing two of them with another flier (possibly Heath/Farina) and a Paladin of some sort (Marcus). EDIT Dammit LG. Okay, thanks. So like If I dropped Eliwood and Lyn for say Fiora? Who's Farina? Is that a HHM character that's exclusive or something? XD Sorry if that's newby. I would suggest picking between Raven and Guy since you already have two other swordlocked 5 move units (eliwood and lyn), and would suggest you use a mobile unit like sain or kent instead of raven/guy. Get sniped Roofa Which would you say is better? Kent or Sain? From experience. I know that growths can be different for each character but I just want to know what you'd recommend. I usually just play it by ear, but it sounds like I'm gonna have a hard time doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactician_Trent Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 HHM is a lot easier when you're using Marcus extensively. Eliwood, Lyn, Raven, and Guy are all extremely redundant team choices (and really, having a team full of sword locked dudes is just making things harder for yourself, although it's certainly possible), you'd benefit more from replacing two of them with another flier (possibly Heath/Farina) and a Paladin of some sort (Marcus). EDIT Dammit LG. Okay, thanks. So like If I dropped Eliwood and Lyn for say Fiora? Who's Farina? Is that a HHM character that's exclusive or something? XD Sorry if that's newby. I would suggest picking between Raven and Guy since you already have two other swordlocked 5 move units (eliwood and lyn), and would suggest you use a mobile unit like sain or kent instead of raven/guy. Get sniped Roofa Which would you say is better? Kent or Sain? From experience. I know that growths can be different for each character but I just want to know what you'd recommend. I usually just play it by ear, but it sounds like I'm gonna have a hard time doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Sain is usually considered to be the better of the two by a bit, thanks to his nice 60% growth in Str which practically ensures he doesn't get Str screwed unless your really unlucky (compare to Kent's 40-45%, I don't remember). He's only slightly slower than Kent (and it;s easy enough to double most things past a certain level anyway), and perhaps a good deal less Skl, but he should be worth investing into over Kent regardless. That being said, there is no reason not to use both, but I would give Sain preference. Farina's an HHM exclusive character (the third PK sister) who you have the choice of recruiting in like Chapter 26 or something for a hefty 25k gold. I wouldn't necessarily drop more than one of Eliwood/Lyn off the bat; both units have good potential for RNG screwage/blessing, so I'd see how they turn out first before I decide to drop them. I would say prefer Eliwood when you can because of mount upon promotion + access to lances. Guy usually won't get used a ton beyond early game, but he is useful there, so feel free to put him to work until you get Raven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I'd say look at your team's stats before dropping. I usually dislike using Eliwood since he's really prone to RNG screwage and I can't deal with his unpromoted form long enough to get him to a level to enjoy his (admittedly, very nice if he actually gets there) promoted form, but if his stats work out for you he's a better choice than Lyn. Lyn just likes to roll a lot nicer numbers for me, so I prefer to use her more in practice, but again, it depends on the person, playstyle, and RNG. Averages is useful to tell what each character's stat trends should be and does well to influence initial team plans, but unless it's a challenge run I would be flexible about dropping characters whose stats don't keep up with killing enemies (to avoid wasting further exp on them; I would say rolled bad level ups but honestly I don't even care if Marcus rolls a bunch of 0 stats because his bases are pretty sweet). There's always replacements if someone doesn't perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestStorm Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Correction: Farina is a HM character, not limited to HHM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Correction: Farina is a HM character, not limited to HHM Yeah, sorry I tend to forget about HNM since I never play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestStorm Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Yeah, sorry I tend to forget about HNM since I never play it. It's fine. Just a little pet peeve of mine so I end up correcting stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactician_Trent Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Okay, thanks everyone! :) I feel like I should learn more about the way FE7 works before I try to take on HHM. I'm having serious trouble beating chapter 15 for some reason? Which isn't very far in meaning I need to work on my strategy I guess. Dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoesMad Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Okay, thanks. So like If I dropped Eliwood and Lyn for say Fiora? Who's Farina? Is that a HHM character that's exclusive or something? XD Sorry if that's newby. Which would you say is better? Kent or Sain? From experience. I know that growths can be different for each character but I just want to know what you'd recommend. I usually just play it by ear, but it sounds like I'm gonna have a hard time doing that. I prefer Kent, but Sain is undeniably the stronger of the two. However both are amazing units. Kent focuses on skill and speed, while Sain is more of a strength/HP cavalier. Kent doubles more stuff early on but once you hit a certain threshold Sain's strength growth will make him more useful in the late game. Use both if you want to! Edit: If eliwood and Lyn level well then you may as well keep them, but if one falls off, Canas and Fiora could be good replacements for their slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Okay, thanks everyone! :) I feel like I should learn more about the way FE7 works before I try to take on HHM. I'm having serious trouble beating chapter 15 for some reason? Which isn't very far in meaning I need to work on my strategy I guess. Dunno. Not sure what is giving you trouble, but there is an easy strat to cheese the chapter if you so desire (though you'll miss out on a decent amount of EXP). Give Marcus a ranged weapon (Hand Axe or Javelin). Deploy him in one of the eastern spots, and on the first turn have him kill one of the knights (don't bother equipping a ranged weapon) from 3 spaces away from the nook. The boss will charge out and attack Marcus with his Longbow, which should barely faze him (if it hits at all). Then just have Marcus kill him on the next turn with the ranged weapon. Note that killing the boss prevents enemy reinforcements from spawning, so the rest of the chapter will be a breeze. If you don't want to miss out on some of this EXP (i.e. you want to let a few reinforcments come in), you can just modify this strategy so that Marcus aggros the boss on a later turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Just use Raven. I'd also suggest Hector, Oswin, Florina (with good Lyn Mode training), Lyn (with good Lyn Mode training), and Priscilla. If Hector doesn't get royally RNG screwed, he, Oswin and Marcus should carry most early chapters while you try to baby up Eliwood and Lyn, amongst other units. I always use Rebecca since she's never let me down once she's gotten past the early teething problems. Also useful for reliably killing flyers that show up throughout HHM. Guy sucks. Recruit him, use his early strength if you absolutely must, but drop him before he promotes because his 30% str growth does nothing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Just use Raven. I'd also suggest Hector, Oswin, Florina (with good Lyn Mode training), Lyn (with good Lyn Mode training), and Priscilla. If Hector doesn't get royally RNG screwed, he, Oswin and Marcus should carry most early chapters while you try to baby up Eliwood and Lyn, amongst other units. I always use Rebecca since she's never let me down once she's gotten past the early teething problems. Also useful for reliably killing flyers that show up throughout HHM. Guy sucks. Recruit him, use his early strength if you absolutely must, but drop him before he promotes because his 30% str growth does nothing for him. I'd be a bit cautious about using Rebecca if its your first time playing through the game. While she does have some reasonable uses in the game, whatever she does can usually be done equally well (or better) by Bartre/Dorcas, especially since enemy fliers suck in this game (low Con + the game's tendency to give them Steel Lances drops their AS to ~0, which means literally anything will double them, and their HP/Def weren't good to begin with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 If OP it turtling, rebecca will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Knight Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 *archer prayer circle* I'd recommend Fiora and LM!Florina over Farina, who comes a bit too late. When you get her, your other units should outpace her by quite a bit. If you played LM and Florina hit a respectable level there (~6 is enough if she had good growths) I'd stick with her, if you didn't play LM or Flor isn't doing well, Fiora comes earlier with fair bases and good growths. Farina actually has the best growths of the three, but her bases just don't make up for it. She does level up fairly quickly, esp if you go Kenneth, since mages there won't scratch her, but if you were using Flor or Fiora, at that point they'd be ready for promotion. tl;dr Farina has best growths but bad bases, Flor has best availability but takes effort, Fiora is balanced (but not mediocre). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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