December Knight Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) A friend of mine showed me some character endings. I think these are from Reddit but I don't know (she didn't say where she got them). Camilla : "After her brother ascended the throne, Camilla largely withdrew from royal affairs. She focused instead on humanitarian efforts, eventually adopting as many as 11 children by some accounts." Effie : "She helped the revival of every land after the war for a while. Her physical strength was a great blessing to the reconstruction of the Nohr Kingdom. After returning to the castle, she continued to work as Elise’s subordinate, and it is said that the friendship between the two continued for life." (I think this is her married ending but I'm not sure.) "Without the need for as much brute strength after the war, Effie reluctantly turned her attention from strength training to teaching. Traveling far and wide, she helped promote fitness throughout Nohr." Seems like in Niles and male!Corrin's Nohr ending, they don't open an orphange after the war. Just them traveling together, although in their Revelation ending it is mentioned that they adopt two kids. Edited February 21, 2016 by December Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Soleil's personal skill is "Sisterhood" now. Can the localization make up their minds about her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoned out Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Caledori and Rhajat's support has been completely rewritten. The reference to the Summer Scramble DLC is completely lost in the localization. Localization: http://pastebin.com/pCMU04sG Fan Translation: http://pastebin.com/X2R67UpD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirokan Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) No problem, Kirokan! I'm glad I got to help in some form. I've also found that there is a bit of a change in Hinoka and Camilla's C support. Link : http://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/139670893195/hinoka-makes-a-child-soldier-joke-in-one-of-her (Link to the Japanese version : http://professor-tammi.tumblr.com/post/122463510767/camillahinoka-support-translations) I do wonder where some of these changes come from... xD Not a support change, but the end of Soleil's paralogue has been changed quite a bit. Laslow is way more supportive of Soleil's preferences in the localization. Localization: Silas: Hmm, Laslow, did your daughter just ask that girl out to gaze at the stars? Laslow: Why, yes! She's got good taste. In women as well as men—got a problem with that? Silas: No, of course not. Soleil: Wahooo! She said yes, Father! See, I always told you—be honest with women. It's not a game. Just wear your heart on your sleeve.On BOTH your sleeves! Laslow: Soleil...I guess I can look forward to more of these dating tips, eh? http://pastebin.com/dKW4L1BH Fan Translated: Silas: ...Eeh? Hey, Lazwald. Your daughter's hitting on a girl. Lazwald: Yes...she has slightly different preferences, so... She likes cute girls. Silas: What? Soleil: Yaaaaay! Hey, Dad, did you see that, huh?! Unlike my un-sexy father, I never fail if I ask girls out for tea, right!? Lazwald: That's probably because you're a girl too, though... http://pastebin.com/e2kege6x Very interesting... I remember writing a summary on that chapter, so it sticks out to me. And no worries, this thread is about all changes, not just supports. : ) A friend of mine showed me some character endings. I think these are from Reddit but I don't know (she didn't say where she got them). Camilla : "After her brother ascended the throne, Camilla largely withdrew from royal affairs. She focused instead on humanitarian efforts, eventually adopting as many as 11 children by some accounts." Effie : "She helped the revival of every land after the war for a while. Her physical strength was a great blessing to the reconstruction of the Nohr Kingdom. After returning to the castle, she continued to work as Elise’s subordinate, and it is said that the friendship between the two continued for life." (I think this is her married ending but I'm not sure.) "Without the need for as much brute strength after the war, Effie reluctantly turned her attention from strength training to teaching. Traveling far and wide, she helped promote fitness throughout Nohr." Seems like in Niles and male!Corrin's Nohr ending, they don't open an orphange after the war. Just them traveling together, although in their Revelation ending it is mentioned that they adopt two kids. I double checked Camilla's, it lines up with the text dump, so that must be where it came from. : ) So I'll assume the others are right too for now. Her Japanese one doesn't mention anything about adoptions and such at all. I suppose they wanted to paint her as more motherly... Soleil's personal skill is "Sisterhood" now. Can the localization make up their minds about her? I think at this rate Soleil is going to have to get a major post of her own. xD Caledori and Rhajat's support has been completely rewritten. The reference to the Summer Scramble DLC is completely lost in the localization. Localization: http://pastebin.com/pCMU04sG Fan Translation: http://pastebin.com/X2R67UpD I see... very interesting when some references are kept and others removed. Thanks! EDIT: Also today I decided to look at the "technical age" line xD Was curious what they replaced in Japanese with it. Edited February 21, 2016 by Kirokan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December Knight Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Hmm, it seems like Saizo and Beurka’s C-support is entirely gone. Link : http://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/139754189450/saizou-and-belkas-c-support-seems-to-be-entirely Here is the support, if you don't want to use link. : Saizo : .... Beurka : .... Saizo : ..... Beurka : .... Yes, that really is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abvora Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Hmm, it seems like Saizo and Beurka’s C-support is entirely gone. Link : http://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/139754189450/saizou-and-belkas-c-support-seems-to-be-entirely Here is the support, if you don't want to use link. : Saizo : .... Beurka : .... Saizo : ..... Beurka : .... Yes, that really is it. I really hope someone at Treehouse screwed up and forgot to replace placeholder text with the actual conversation. Sure, it suggest ineptitude, but it's better than believing they would willing do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessAlyson Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 What? I hope they just forgot... To think that they would just do that...ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Hmm, it seems like Saizo and Beurka’s C-support is entirely gone. Link : http://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/139754189450/saizou-and-belkas-c-support-seems-to-be-entirely Here is the support, if you don't want to use link. : Saizo : .... Beurka : .... Saizo : ..... Beurka : .... Yes, that really is it. Unless they make up for this in their other supports, this is the second time I'll call BS on the localization. I could see a couple people thinking "Wouldn't it be unique if the two serious assassin types with a scarred childhood didn't say anything to each other at first?", and I don't really like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abvora Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Unless they make up for this in their other supports, this is the second time I'll call BS on the localization. I could see a couple people thinking "Wouldn't it be unique if the two serious assassin types with a scarred childhood didn't say anything to each other at first?", and I don't really like it. Their other two supports (3 if you go for S) are exactly the same as in Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirokan Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Hmm, it seems like Saizo and Beurka’s C-support is entirely gone. Link : http://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/139754189450/saizou-and-belkas-c-support-seems-to-be-entirely Here is the support, if you don't want to use link. : Saizo : .... Beurka : .... Saizo : ..... Beurka : .... Yes, that really is it. Thanks for posting, I came here to post about that too actually xD That's a really strange one... EDIT: On my blog, a user pointed out the existence of this video/joke support from FE7, posted back in 2009. Do you think they would reference a relatively obscure thing? xD Their other two supports (3 if you go for S) are exactly the same as in Japan. That makes this even more awkward then... EDIT: You're right... they talk as if the C support (in Japanese) happened... very, very strange. Edited February 23, 2016 by Kirokan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I need to read the full support, but NilesxCamilla has been altered. Zero confesses just like in the Japanese, but Camilla doesn't say the admittedly cheesy "Did you really stop being a thief? Because you stole my heart." Also whereas Camilla openly admits to liking Niles' dirty whispering, in which he does so at the end of the S, that too was changed.'''Niles''':Come over here. I'll whisper more of these naughty, little words in your ear.'''Camilla''':Niles!'''Niles''':Was that too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyth Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 So what was this before? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb11MqeXIAI5kHe.jpg Benoit: She told me she was 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abvora Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I need to read the full support, but NilesxCamilla has been altered. Zero confesses just like in the Japanese, but Camilla doesn't say the admittedly cheesy "Did you really stop being a thief? Because you stole my heart." Also whereas Camilla openly admits to liking Niles' dirty whispering, in which he does so at the end of the S, that too was changed. '''Niles''': Come over here. I'll whisper more of these naughty, little words in your ear. '''Camilla''': Niles! '''Niles''': Was that too much? That is so disappointing. I loved their original S-support, though I admit I like their localized A-support a lot more. Camilla was pretty matter-of-fact about her past in the JPN version, but in the localization she's still hurt by it, enough to get angry and start yelling. Also, I got through Conquest Chapter 15 and I'm mixed. On the one hand, they kept that awful "maybe I should have picked Hoshido" line. On the other, they had Corrin immediately dismiss it afterwards with "No, I could never have betrayed my Nohrian siblings like that, I love them too much"--the JPN version just had him sort of agreeing with himself. Not what I wanted, but I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Klingy Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Caledori and Rhajat's support has been completely rewritten. The reference to the Summer Scramble DLC is completely lost in the localization. Localization: http://pastebin.com/pCMU04sG Fan Translation: http://pastebin.com/X2R67UpD I can see why this happened: Cordelia's "A Cup Angst" and references to Tharja "having the nicest body in the army" were mostly written-out of Awakening's localization so the references would be lost anyway. But especially the A support. That definately sounds like something that should be changed. An hex that causes someone to take their clothes off, and Rhajat doing it repeatedly to Caeldori without consent while she yells at her to stop... that has very disturbing implications. I'm surprised it didn't cause controversy like the Male Avatar/Soleil supports did. Edited February 23, 2016 by Big Klingy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luankachu Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I can see why this happened: Cordelia's "A Cup Angst" and references to Tharja "having the nicest body in the army" were mostly written-out of Awakening's localization so the references would be lost anyway. But especially the A support. That definately sounds like something that should be changed. An hex that causes someone to take their clothes off, and Rhajat doing it repeatedly to Caeldori without consent while she yells at her to stop... that has very disturbing implications. I'm surprised it didn't cause controversy like the Male Avatar/Soleil supports did. That's not what the hex does, though. It makes it so the one with it won't feel embarassed/mortified. Wanting to remove her clothes was all Caeldori's own doing. The same hex shows up in an Awakening DLC, even in the localization, where Cordelia is the one doing it to Tharja repeatedly. When Rhajat sees that Caeldori is uncomfortable, she stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Klingy Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 That's not what the hex does, though. It makes it so the one with it won't feel embarassed/mortified. Wanting to remove her clothes was all Caeldori's own doing. The same hex shows up in an Awakening DLC, even in the localization, where Cordelia is the one doing it to Tharja repeatedly. When Rhajat sees that Caeldori is uncomfortable, she stopped. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I haven't played Summer Scramble so I wasn't aware of that. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirokan Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) So what was this before? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb11MqeXIAI5kHe.jpg Benoit: She told me she was 18. I'm trying to locate this line. Do you know what chapter/scene this is in? Then I can look at what it was originally. : ) That is so disappointing. I loved their original S-support, though I admit I like their localized A-support a lot more. Camilla was pretty matter-of-fact about her past in the JPN version, but in the localization she's still hurt by it, enough to get angry and start yelling. Also, I got through Conquest Chapter 15 and I'm mixed. On the one hand, they kept that awful "maybe I should have picked Hoshido" line. On the other, they had Corrin immediately dismiss it afterwards with "No, I could never have betrayed my Nohrian siblings like that, I love them too much"--the JPN version just had him sort of agreeing with himself. Not what I wanted, but I'll take it. That's strange since Camilla is the only one of the siblings who didn't seem bothered by even Iago and Hans's actions later on, so you think her past would also be taken lightly and that nothing would bother her. xD I noticed that too in Ch. 15. I also found Iago's line "You and your loopholes" very amusing (which didn't exist in Japanese), likely a self-aware stab at how the path goes for Corrin/Kamui. EDIT: xD I took a look at Elise's "hating women" line in Chapter 20.(Conquest). Surprisingly it is the opposite of one might expect, that the (joking) misogyny claims would be in the Japanese one and erased in the English one. Not this time, it seems! Also a look at Iago's "You and your loopholes" line from Chapter 11 of Conquest. Edited February 24, 2016 by Kirokan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyth Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I'm trying to locate this line. Do you know what chapter/scene this is in? Then I can look at what it was originally. : ) I found it by looking up the chapter he joins in revelation. It looks to be "Um, I'm Elise. I'm not just some kid." It's kind of hilariously bad at how they really want to age up Elise lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Has anybody played through the Hidden Truths DLC yet? I'm wondering how the localisation handled that clusterfuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I found it by looking up the chapter he joins in revelation. It looks to be "Um, I'm Elise. I'm not just some kid." It's kind of hilariously bad at how they really want to age up Elise lol. You had tumblr screaming bloody murder because of Soleil; in the face of stuff like that, I feel trying to avoid jailbait charges feels pretty realistic. American culture is really hyper-active/hyper-sensitive. Ditto with the platonic S-supports; actually, as a mechanic I really like it (though the Subaki/Nyx one definitely feels like they really didn't want to bother altering actual code). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyth Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You had tumblr screaming bloody murder because of Soleil; in the face of stuff like that, I feel trying to avoid jailbait charges feels pretty realistic. American culture is really hyper-active/hyper-sensitive. Ditto with the platonic S-supports; actually, as a mechanic I really like it (though the Subaki/Nyx one definitely feels like they really didn't want to bother altering actual code). I'm not saying I don't understand. I just find it hilarious how contrived it ends up being. I still don't think that nintendo should have bent over and appealed to the bullshit misunderstandings of a minority who can't read. It just sets a precedent for more bullshit and stupidity embracing. You like platonic s-supports? ew They shouldn't be needed, especially for the first gen. Does treehouse think people don't know where babies come from? Supporting child abuse. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/083/802/a85.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sage Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You had tumblr screaming bloody murder because of Soleil; in the face of stuff like that, I feel trying to avoid jailbait charges feels pretty realistic. American culture is really hyper-active/hyper-sensitive. Ditto with the platonic S-supports; actually, as a mechanic I really like it (though the Subaki/Nyx one definitely feels like they really didn't want to bother altering actual code). It's funny because of how unsubtle and how poorly handled the reassurances are regarding how old the characters are since it's clearly just the localizers inserting themselves into the game and saying "she's not jailbait, so you can bang her and not feel guilty about it." It's also funny because the dialogue regarding does not sound like something someone would actually say. Platonic S supports are mixed. I'm an advocate for less romance and more platonicness but the game mechanics undermine it, since the existence of A+ really confuses the differences between an A+ rank and an S rank. It also doesn't solve the main problem, which is that Corrin can still fuck and impregnate characters like Elise, Percy, Midori, and Soleil and makes them look more like sexual gods than before since these kids will only put out for them. It's clearly an invention of the localization, which is an example of BAD localization since the a good localization reads as if it came from the country it's being localized to, and not a translation or tampering of a Japanese text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reset Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Arthur and Niles support can changed a bit. Mostly with Arthur's theories on Niles' manner of speech. In the Japanese support, Arthur guesses that Niles' talks the way he does because he has something to hide, Niles questions it and Arthur admits he made it up, but it doesn't mean it's wrong. Arthur then adjusts the theory in their A support where he believes Niles does this as defense such as his embarrassment when Arthur suggested telling everyone he's a good person. In the English version, Arthur instead comments that if Niles jokes about crime then he must be trying to convince Arthur he is not be involved, Niles rejects this logic, Arthur admits he made it up. The theory wasn't brought up again, the A support was basically the same, but lacked that insight from Arthur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoned out Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/46ygto/forrest_vs_foleo_leos_son_changes_to_forrests/ Forrest's support with his mother has been changed from being worried about how people treat him to how people treat others. The OP goes into more of the changes made in this support chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It's funny because of how unsubtle and how poorly handled the reassurances are regarding how old the characters are since it's clearly just the localizers inserting themselves into the game and saying "she's not jailbait, so you can bang her and not feel guilty about it." It's also funny because the dialogue regarding does not sound like something someone would actually say. Platonic S supports are mixed. I'm an advocate for less romance and more platonicness but the game mechanics undermine it, since the existence of A+ really confuses the differences between an A+ rank and an S rank. It also doesn't solve the main problem, which is that Corrin can still fuck and impregnate characters like Elise, Percy, Midori, and Soleil and makes them look more like sexual gods than before since these kids will only put out for them. It's clearly an invention of the localization, which is an example of BAD localization since the a good localization reads as if it came from the country it's being localized to, and not a translation or tampering of a Japanese text. Would it have been preferential if they just cut those S-supports? Yes. I like the concept of platonic S-supports; the execution here, as you said, leaves something to be desired. I'm not saying I don't understand. I just find it hilarious how contrived it ends up being. I still don't think that nintendo should have bent over and appealed to the bullshit misunderstandings of a minority who can't read. It just sets a precedent for more bullshit and stupidity embracing. You like platonic s-supports? ew They shouldn't be needed, especially for the first gen. Does treehouse think people don't know where babies come from? Supporting child abuse. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/083/802/a85.png Are we still complaining about Subaki/Nyx? Because that's really the only 1st gen one I can think of, and yeah, I'll agree it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. As said above, I like the concept of S-supports (in as much as we have disagreed it seems only one of us is now directly shaming the others preferences); I'll agree that the execution is pretty lacking at points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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